ConTeXt in Erlangen

ConTeXt in Erlangen

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

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Hi folks!

I'm frustrated. There's nothing other left to tell to the people as "RTFM".

After a longer abstinence I just compiled the latest pdfTeX, installed the 
latest ConTeXt and had a look at the docs - and it's everything there.
All I could tell to beginners is "read the docs, they're perfect".

Should I really present only a translation?
(Patrick, what do you think?)

Grüßlis vom Hraban!

Re: ConTeXt in Erlangen

[Hans Hagen]

At 06:21 PM 12/16/2001 +0100, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
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>Hi folks!
>
>I'm frustrated. There's nothing other left to tell to the people as "RTFM".
>
>After a longer abstinence I just compiled the latest pdfTeX, installed the
>latest ConTeXt and had a look at the docs - and it's everything there.
>All I could tell to beginners is "read the docs, they're perfect".
>
>Should I really present only a translation?
>(Patrick, what do you think?)

Well, why not ask here what people want to see and hear and build a big 
session around it with multiple speakers?

Hans

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Re: ConTeXt in Erlangen

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

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> Well, why not ask here what people want to see and hear and build a big
> session around it with multiple speakers?

At first I asked in TeX-D-L whether there was any interest.
My plan was to give a low-level introduction with some hints, what can be 
done easily and some other hints for prepress.
Patrick agreed to tell about XML.

Shure, we can hold our plans, and it would be a pleasure to make up a whole 
"ConTeXt day" in Erlangen together.
But I got the impression that there's no real need for my low-level intro 
because of the fitting docs...

Today I got the latest DTK (DANTE magazine). After reading some of the 
articles that are of no great use for people who can read existing docs I got 
the feeling that I should try it anyway.

Ok, let's go - who likes to join us? :-)

Grüßlis vom Hraban!

Re: ConTeXt in Erlangen

[Hans Hagen]

At 08:40 PM 12/17/2001 +0100, you wrote:

>Shure, we can hold our plans, and it would be a pleasure to make up a whole
>"ConTeXt day" in Erlangen together.
>But I got the impression that there's no real need for my low-level intro
>because of the fitting docs...

ok, but maybe an quick overview of what is there is nice

Why not do an inventory on what people want to hear?

>Today I got the latest DTK (DANTE magazine). After reading some of the
>articles that are of no great use for people who can read existing docs I got
>the feeling that I should try it anyway.
>
>Ok, let's go - who likes to join us? :-)

Weren't patrick and johannes already volunteering? I can fill in gaps.

Hans
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Re: ConTeXt in Erlangen

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

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> Why not do an inventory on what people want to hear?

I think, people want to hear a "how to move from LaTeX", so I'll start with 
the basically different concept of ConTeXt.

> >Ok, let's go - who likes to join us? :-)
> Weren't patrick and johannes already volunteering? I can fill in gaps.

I trust in you! ;-)

And I hope on some spare time whilst my winter holidays...

Re: ConTeXt in Erlangen

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hallo Henning  and others,

> I'm frustrated. There's nothing other left to tell to the people as
> "RTFM".

well, that is only partially true. My experience is that you have to have a 
good overview about context in order to know what can be done. And, 
compared to latex, there is a different kind of thinking: compare 
redefining the layout of sections in context and latex. So it would be nice 
to tell the people "these things can be done in context easily and this is 
the way it is accomplished". I don't think it is necessary to explain the 
exact details. Perhaps you can have a look at http://levana.de/context to 
see what I mean. I once had a context presentation at a local linux user 
group (and a local TeX group) and just showed them some exaples.

> After a longer abstinence I just compiled the latest pdfTeX, installed
> the latest ConTeXt and had a look at the docs - and it's everything
> there. All I could tell to beginners is "read the docs, they're perfect".

well, a beginner will not know that it is good to use a perl script to 
start TeX. And tetex is not really prepared to do this out of the box.

> Should I really present only a translation?
> (Patrick, what do you think?)
No, "just" an overview. I think you did a nice job in Rosenheim at the TeX 
conference, where you did not go into detail too much but presented a good 
overview about the problems of publishing in general. That was really 
valuable.

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Viele Grüße, 

    Patrick Gundlach

Re: ConTeXt in Erlangen

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

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Am Freitag, 21. Dezember 2001 11:34 schrieb Patrick Gundlach:
> No, "just" an overview. I think you did a nice job in Rosenheim at the TeX
> conference, where you did not go into detail too much but presented a good
> overview about the problems of publishing in general. That was really
> valuable.

Thank you.
But I think I should point out some details of installation - especially with 
SuSE's teTeX...

Frohe Weihnachten allerseits! / Merry Christmas!

Grüßlis vom Hraban!