Multiple Problems with font handling

Multiple Problems with font handling

[Oliver Mihatsch]

I just installed the latest context beta and ran into multiple font problems 
with things that used to work before (I think so, at least:-)).

My setting:
   This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-1.00a-pretest-20010806-2.1 (Web2C 7.3.3.1)
   ConTeXt  ver: 2001.12.20  fmt: 2002.2.22  int: english  mes: english

The problems:

1.  Hanging punctuation does not work.
     It simply does not "hang".
    Minimal example:

     \setupoutput[pdftex]
      \usetypescript[serif][hanging][pure]
      \setupalign [hanging]
   \definetypeface[modern][rm][serif][computer-modern][default][handling=pure]
      \showframe
      \starttext
         \modern\input tufte
      \stoptext

2.  \usetypescript[ptm]  does not reslove the fontname.
     The following minimal example

    \setupoutput[pdftex]
      \usetypescript[ptm]
      \setupbodyfont[ptm]
      \starttext
        \input tufte
      \stoptext

     makes kpathsea believe that it needs to create the tfm file  
     Times-Roman.tfm, which fails for obvious reasons.
      .....
      kpathsea: Running mktextfm  Times-Roman
      .... 
      ! I can't find file `Times-Roman.mf'.
      ...

3. Usage of  \usetypescriptfile [type-buy] results in an "Undefined control 
sequence."

   ! Undefined control sequence.
<argument> \processcommalist [\typescriptencoding 
                                                  -itc-officina]

     It seems that the multiply occuring  \typescriptencoding needs to be 
replaced by  \typescripttwo or \typescriptthree depending on the context.

I do not know whether this is supposed to work.
Are these bugs or is it simply wrong usage?

Greetings
Oliver Mihatsch

Re: Multiple Problems with font handling

[Hans Hagen]

At 12:06 PM 2/26/2002 +0100, Oliver Mihatsch wrote:

>   This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-1.00a-pretest-20010806-2.1 (Web2C 7.3.3.1)
>    ConTeXt  ver: 2001.12.20  fmt: 2002.2.22  int: english  mes: english

can you download the beta version (some time ago i changed some things so 
that 'preloaded' font defs are okay now).

>The problems:
>
>1.  Hanging punctuation does not work.
>      It simply does not "hang".
>     Minimal example:
>
>      \setupoutput[pdftex]
>       \usetypescript[serif][hanging][pure]
>       \setupalign [hanging]
> 
>\definetypeface[modern][rm][serif][computer-modern][default][handling=pure]
>       \showframe
>       \starttext
>          \modern\input tufte
>       \stoptext

hangs quite well here

>2.  \usetypescript[ptm]  does not reslove the fontname.
>      The following minimal example
>
>     \setupoutput[pdftex]
>       \usetypescript[ptm]
>       \setupbodyfont[ptm]
>       \starttext
>         \input tufte
>       \stoptext

also works here, so before i look into it, can you try the beta?

Hans
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Re: Multiple Problems with font handling

[Oliver Mihatsch]

On Wednesday 27 February 2002 20:51, Hans Hagen wrote:
> At 12:06 PM 2/26/2002 +0100, Oliver Mihatsch wrote:
> >   This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-1.00a-pretest-20010806-2.1 (Web2C
> > 7.3.3.1) ConTeXt  ver: 2001.12.20  fmt: 2002.2.22  int: english  mes:
> > english
>
> can you download the beta version (some time ago i changed some things so
> that 'preloaded' font defs are okay now).

Is there a more recent beta version apart from the one available at
 http://www.ntg.nl/context/context/beta/cont-tmf.zip ?

I downloaded this one and re(!)installed it. The result is
   ConTeXt  ver: 2001.12.20 
which seems to be the very same that I alreaddy had.
Anyway, I tried out my problematic examples.

> >The problems:
> > ...
> >1.  Hanging punctuation does not work.
> >      It simply does not "hang".
> > ...
>
> hangs quite well here
>

The problem persists. No hanging.

> >2.  \usetypescript[ptm]  does not reslove the fontname.
> >   ...
>
> also works here, ...

No, unfortunately. Problem also persits.

> so before i look into it, can you try the beta?

Is there a more beta beta than mine?

Btw:
Intrestingly, my third problem with an undefined control sequence in 
type-buy.tex disappeared. 

Greetings,
Oliver

Re: Multiple Problems with font handling

[Frans Goddijn]

> Is there a more recent beta version apart from the one available at
>  http://www.ntg.nl/context/context/beta/cont-tmf.zip ?

Yes, check out
http://ds035.xs4all.nl/beta.htm

Frans

Re: Multiple Problems with font handling

[Oliver Mihatsch]

On Thursday 28 February 2002 15:13, Frans Goddijn wrote:
> > Is there a more recent beta version apart from the one available at
> >  http://www.ntg.nl/context/context/beta/cont-tmf.zip ?
>
> Yes, check out
> http://ds035.xs4all.nl/beta.htm
>
> Frans

Oh. I did not know about this one, since Google does not reference it.

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Re: Multiple Problems with font handling

[Oliver Mihatsch]

On Wednesday 27 February 2002 20:51, you wrote:
> can you download the beta version (some time ago i changed some things so
> that 'preloaded' font defs are okay now).

After downloading the newest beta (the real one :-) ) the situation changed 
quite a lot. However, there are some problems remaining ....
(ConTeXt  ver: 2002.2.25  fmt: 2002.2.28  int: english  mes: english)

> >The problems:
> >
> >1.  Hanging punctuation does not work.
> >      It simply does not "hang".
> >     Minimal example:

The minimal example I provided works perfectly now. However, when using \tfa 
the hanging puntuation breakes. E.g.

     \setupoutput[pdftex]
      \usetypescript[serif][hanging][pure]
      \setupalign [hanging]
   \definetypeface[modern][rm][serif][computer-modern][default][handling=pure]
      \showframe
      \starttext
         \modern
         \input tufte  \par             % ok hanging punctuation works
         {\tfa\input tufte \par}        % no hanging punctuation :-(
         {\switchtobodyfont[big]\input tufte \par} % ok again
         {\tfx\input tufte \par}                            % ok
         {\switchtobodyfont[small]\input tufte \par} % ok
      \stoptext

Interestingly,  \tfx does not switch off the hanging puntuation.
Also, \switchtobodyfont[...] seems to be  ok.
(Btw. Is it normal that neither \tfa nor \tfx adapt the interline spaces?)

> >2.  \usetypescript[ptm]  does not reslove the fontname.
> >      The following minimal example
> >
> >     \setupoutput[pdftex]
> >       \usetypescript[ptm]
> >       \setupbodyfont[ptm]
> >       \starttext
> >         \input tufte
> >       \stoptext
>
> also works here, so before i look into it, can you try the beta?
>

This problem persists.

Greetings,
Oliver

Re: Multiple Problems with font handling

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am Donnerstag, 28. Februar 2002 17:22 schrieb Oliver Mihatsch:
> > http://ds035.xs4all.nl/beta.htm
> Oh. I did not know about this one, since Google does not reference it.

It's the same location as http://www.pragma-pod.nl, but the latter isn't 
found with several DNS-servers (or whatever causes the problems -- here 
they're over).

Grüßlis vom Hraban!

Re: Multiple Problems with font handling

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am Donnerstag, 28. Februar 2002 17:38 schrieb Oliver Mihatsch:
> (Btw. Is it normal that neither \tfa nor \tfx adapt the interline spaces?)

Yes, it is. Use \stelinterliniein

BTW: Hans, will there be an english command?
And did you fix the lower double quote problem?

Grüßlis vom Hraban!

Re: Multiple Problems with font handling

[W. Egger]

Guten Abend,

It is already in place:

\setupinterlinespace

Gruss Willi

----- Original Message -----
From: Henning Hraban Ramm <angerweit@gmx.net>
To: <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: Multiple Problems with font handling

> Am Donnerstag, 28. Februar 2002 17:38 schrieb Oliver Mihatsch:
> > (Btw. Is it normal that neither \tfa nor \tfx adapt the interline
spaces?)
>
> Yes, it is. Use \stelinterliniein
>
> BTW: Hans, will there be an english command?
> And did you fix the lower double quote problem?
>
>
> Grüßlis vom Hraban!

Re: Multiple Problems with font handling

[Hans Hagen]

At 09:56 PM 2/28/2002 +0100, W. Egger wrote:
>Guten Abend,
>
>It is already in place:
>
>\setupinterlinespace

the latest version also provides

   \definefont [blabla] [Regular at 40pt] [line=60pt]

and alike (i'm a bit experimenting with this)

Hans
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Re: Multiple Problems with font handling

[Hans Hagen]

At 07:54 PM 2/28/2002 +0100, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>BTW: Hans, will there be an english command?
>And did you fix the lower double quote problem?

eh, i remember the mail, was it an encoding issue (missing def in encoding)?

Hans
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Re: Multiple Problems with font handling

[Hans Hagen]

At 05:38 PM 2/28/2002 +0100, Oliver Mihatsch wrote:

>The minimal example I provided works perfectly now. However, when using \tfa
>the hanging puntuation breakes. E.g.
>
>      \setupoutput[pdftex]
>       \usetypescript[serif][hanging][pure]
>       \setupalign [hanging]
> 
>\definetypeface[modern][rm][serif][computer-modern][default][handling=pure]
>       \showframe
>       \starttext
>          \modern
>          \input tufte  \par             % ok hanging punctuation works
>          {\tfa\input tufte \par}        % no hanging punctuation :-(
>          {\switchtobodyfont[big]\input tufte \par} % ok again
>          {\tfx\input tufte \par}                            % ok
>          {\switchtobodyfont[small]\input tufte \par} % ok
>       \stoptext
>
>Interestingly,  \tfx does not switch off the hanging puntuation.
>Also, \switchtobodyfont[...] seems to be  ok.
>(Btw. Is it normal that neither \tfa nor \tfx adapt the interline spaces?)

i tracked down the problem and repaired it (trivial patch actually but it 
took me a while to locate it); has to do with taking care of persistent 
font assignments and preventing duplicate defs

I'll send you the patch for testing

Hans
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Re: Multiple Problems with font handling

[Oliver Mihatsch]

On Friday 01 March 2002 01:19, Hans Hagen wrote:
> At 05:38 PM 2/28/2002 +0100, Oliver Mihatsch wrote:
> >The minimal example I provided works perfectly now. However, when using
> > \tfa the hanging puntuation breakes. E.g.
> > ...
> >Interestingly,  \tfx does not switch off the hanging puntuation.
> >Also, \switchtobodyfont[...] seems to be  ok.
> >(Btw. Is it normal that neither \tfa nor \tfx adapt the interline spaces?)
>
> i tracked down the problem and repaired it (trivial patch actually but it
> took me a while to locate it); has to do with taking care of persistent
> font assignments and preventing duplicate defs
>
> I'll send you the patch for testing
>

Thank you, Hans, for your quick and helpful answer. With your patch all my 
problematic examples do work now. Unfortunately, I have got a new one :-(

It concernes hanging punctuation when \tfx or \switchtobodyfont[small] are 
present. Under normal circumstances there is no problem. However, a 
preceeding \switchtobodyfont[big]\switchtobodyfont[big] leads to an 
unexpected side effect. Hanging punctuation in all subsequent paragraphs with 
\tfx or \switchtobodyfont[small] fails.
See the following example.

\setupoutput[pdftex]
\usetypescript[serif][hanging][pure]
\setupalign [hanging]
\definetypeface[modern][rm][serif][computer-modern][default][handling=pure]
\showframe
\starttext
   \modern

   % Hanging punctuation whith \tfx or  \switchtobodyfont[small] works
   {\tfx\setupinterlinespace\input tufte \par}    % ok
   {\switchtobodyfont[small]\input tufte \par}   % ok

   % Hanging punctuation in the following paragraph works.
   % However, it has side effects on the subsequent paragraphs.
   {\switchtobodyfont[big]\switchtobodyfont[big]\input tufte \par} % ok

   % For some reason hanging punctuation is switched off now.
   {\tfx\setupinterlinespace\input tufte \par}    % no hanging :-(
   {\switchtobodyfont[small]\input tufte \par}   % no hanging :-(
\stoptext

Oliver

Re: Multiple Problems with font handling

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am Donnerstag, 28. Februar 2002 23:16 schrieb Hans Hagen:
> >And did you fix the lower double quote problem?
> eh, i remember the mail, was it an encoding issue (missing def in
> encoding)?

You do? I don't -- I told you in Erlangen, not by mail. ;-)

I don't know what's the reason, but the lower left double quote ("99")
is build from two commas (with *all* fonts), and these are too wide spread.
First, ConTeXt should use an existent lldq from the font,
second, if there's no lldq in the font, the two commas must be kerned 
together.

Grüßlis vom Hraban!

Re: Multiple Problems with font handling

[Hans Hagen]

At 04:54 PM 3/1/2002 +0100, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>Am Donnerstag, 28. Februar 2002 23:16 schrieb Hans Hagen:
> > >And did you fix the lower double quote problem?
> > eh, i remember the mail, was it an encoding issue (missing def in
> > encoding)?
>
>You do? I don't -- I told you in Erlangen, not by mail. ;-)

hm, anyhow, there has been some discussion on this issue ...

>I don't know what's the reason, but the lower left double quote ("99")
>is build from two commas (with *all* fonts), and these are too wide spread.
>First, ConTeXt should use an existent lldq from the font,
>second, if there's no lldq in the font, the two commas must be kerned
>together.

... which had to do with the fact that we need extend the current encoding 
vectors with symbolic names for this.

this is in enco-def:

\startencoding[default]

\definecharacter leftupperninequote   92
\definecharacter rightupperninequote  34
\definecharacter endash              123
\definecharacter emdash              124
\definecharacter hyphen               45

\stopencoding

also with the double ones, and enco-ec and alike should also define them. 
Can you give that a try?

[guillemots also fall in this category]

Hans
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Re: Multiple Problems with font handling

[Hans Hagen]

Hi,

>Thank you, Hans, for your quick and helpful answer. With your patch all my
>problematic examples do work now. Unfortunately, I have got a new one :-(

It seems to work ok here; can you move the patch to the hang-ini.tex file, 
regenerate the format file and test again? Seems like an interference with 
already set signals.

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Re: Multiple Problems with font handling

[Oliver Mihatsch]

On Saturday 02 March 2002 14:20, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> >Thank you, Hans, for your quick and helpful answer. With your patch all my
> >problematic examples do work now. Unfortunately, I have got a new one :-(
>
> It seems to work ok here; can you move the patch to the hang-ini.tex file,
> regenerate the format file and test again? Seems like an interference with
> already set signals.

Do you mean  "hand-ini.tex" ? (I could not find any file named hang-ini.tex).
In hand-ini.tex I replaced the definitions of  \checkfonthandling and 
\registerfonthandling with the ones you gave me, removed the corresp. \defs 
in cont-new.tex and regenerated the formats.
No avail. My problem persists.

Oliver

Re: Multiple Problems with font handling

[Hans Hagen]

At 10:32 AM 3/4/2002 +0100, Oliver Mihatsch wrote:
>On Saturday 02 March 2002 14:20, Hans Hagen wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > >Thank you, Hans, for your quick and helpful answer. With your patch all my
> > >problematic examples do work now. Unfortunately, I have got a new one :-(
> >
> > It seems to work ok here; can you move the patch to the hang-ini.tex file,
> > regenerate the format file and test again? Seems like an interference with
> > already set signals.
>
>Do you mean  "hand-ini.tex" ? (I could not find any file named hang-ini.tex).
>In hand-ini.tex I replaced the definitions of  \checkfonthandling and
>\registerfonthandling with the ones you gave me, removed the corresp. \defs
>in cont-new.tex and regenerated the formats.
>No avail. My problem persists.

strange, maybes omething got mixed up; i uploaded a new beta so you can 
give that one a try,

Hans

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Re: Multiple Problems with font handling

[Oliver Mihatsch]

On Monday 04 March 2002 11:06, Hans Hagen wrote:
> At 10:32 AM 3/4/2002 +0100, Oliver Mihatsch wrote:
> >On Saturday 02 March 2002 14:20, Hans Hagen wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > >Thank you, Hans, for your quick and helpful answer. With your patch
> > > > all my problematic examples do work now. Unfortunately, I have got a
> > > > new one :-(
> > >
> > > It seems to work ok here; can you move the patch to the hang-ini.tex
> > > file, regenerate the format file and test again? Seems like an
> > > interference with already set signals.
> >
> >Do you mean  "hand-ini.tex" ? (I could not find any file named
> > hang-ini.tex). In hand-ini.tex I replaced the definitions of 
> > \checkfonthandling and \registerfonthandling with the ones you gave me,
> > removed the corresp. \defs in cont-new.tex and regenerated the formats.
> >No avail. My problem persists.
>
> strange, maybes omething got mixed up; i uploaded a new beta so you can
> give that one a try,
>

Very strange. Installed the new beta. No change. 
My problem seems immune against it.

Oliver

Re: Multiple Problems with font handling

[Hans Hagen]

At 03:42 PM 3/4/2002 +0100, Oliver Mihatsch wrote:

>Very strange. Installed the new beta. No change.
>My problem seems immune against it.

Are you sure that you took the ds035.xs4all.nl beta? Can someone else 
confirm this problem?

Hans

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Re: Multiple Problems with font handling

[Oliver Mihatsch]

On Monday 04 March 2002 19:55, Hans Hagen wrote:
> At 03:42 PM 3/4/2002 +0100, Oliver Mihatsch wrote:
> >Very strange. Installed the new beta. No change.
> >My problem seems immune against it.
>
> Are you sure that you took the ds035.xs4all.nl beta? Can someone else
> confirm this problem?

Pretty sure:

ConTeXt  ver: 2002.3.4  fmt: 2002.3.4  int: english  mes: english

Oliver

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