fonts/tetex

fonts/tetex

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi,

do the fonts that are shipped with the tetex distribution work 'out of the 
box'? For example (at least on my system) the palatino-like font from urw 
is mapped (in pdftex.map) like this:

pplr8r "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc <uplr8a.pfb

but there seems to be no mapping from 'Palatino-Roman' to pplr...

Has anybody made a 'easy to use' typescript file for tetex?

-- 
Viele Grüße, 

    Patrick Gundlach

Re: fonts/tetex

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am Samstag, 30. März 2002 10:45 schrieb Patrick Gundlach:
> Has anybody made a 'easy to use' typescript file for tetex?

I always re-install the "old" fonts with the following shell script:

--- install-oldfont.sh ---
#!/bin/bash
VEND=$1
COLL=$2
echo TeX-Verzeichnis:...$TEXMF/fonts
echo Distributor:.......$VEND
echo Schriftfamilie:....$COLL
echo
read $nix
echo Font-Dateien werden kopiert...
cd $TEXMF/fonts
mcp "afm/$VEND/$COLL/*.[aA][fF][mM]" .
mcp "type1/$VEND/$COLL/*.[pP][fF][bB]" .
mcp "type1/$VEND/$COLL/*.[pP][fF][aA]" .
mmv "*.AFM" "#1.afm"
mmv "*.PFB" "#1.pfb"
mmv "*.PFA" "#1.pfa"
chmod 644 *.afm
chmod 644 *.pfa
chmod 644 *.pfb
echo Fonts werden installiert...
$TEXMF/context/perltk/texfont.pl --ve=$VEND --co=$COLL --fo=$TEXMF
 --so=$TEXMF/fonts --ma --in
$TEXMF/context/perltk/texfont.pl --ve=$VEND --co=$COLL --fo=$TEXMF
 --so=$TEXMF/fonts --ma --in --en=texnansi
$TEXMF/context/perltk/texfont.pl --ve=$VEND --co=$COLL --fo=$TEXMF
 --so=$TEXMF/fonts --ma --in --en=ec
$TEXMF/context/perltk/texfont.pl --ve=$VEND --co=$COLL --fo=$TEXMF
 --so=$TEXMF/fonts --ma --in --en=8r
mmv -o "$TEXMF/pdftex/config/*.map" "$TEXMF/pdftex/config/context/#1.map"
echo
echo Font-Dateien werden gelöscht...
echo Return...
read $nix
texutil --purge
rm *.afm
rm *.pfb
rm *.pfa
texhash
--- end of file ---

and here follow some typescripts (don't know anymore if these are working)...

\starttypescript[urw][hv-pl]
\definetypeface [urw][rm][serif][palatino][default][encoding=\defaultencoding]
\definetypeface [urw][mm][math][times][default] % not really...
\definetypeface [urw][ss][sans][helvetica][default][encoding=\defaultencoding]
\definetypeface [urw][tt][mono][modern][default][encoding=\defaultencoding]
\stoptypescript

% sans Helvetica
\starttypescript[sans][helvetica][name]
	\definefontsynonym[Sans]		[Helvetica-Roman]
	\definefontsynonym[SansItalic]		[Helvetica-Italic]
	\definefontsynonym[SansSlanted]		[Helvetica-Oblique]
	\definefontsynonym[SansBold]		[Helvetica-Bold]
	\definefontsynonym[SansBoldItalic]	[Helvetica-BoldItalic]
	\definefontsynonym[SansBoldSlanted]	[Helvetica-BoldOblique]
\stoptypescript

% serif Palatino
\starttypescript[serif][palatino][name]
	\definefontsynonym	[Serif]			[Palatino-Roman]
	\definefontsynonym	[SerifItalic]		[Palatino-Italic]
	\definefontsynonym	[SerifSlanted]		[Palatino-Italic]
	\definefontsynonym	[SerifBold]		[Palatino-Bold]
	\definefontsynonym	[SerifBoldItalic]	[Palatino-BoldItalic]
	\definefontsynonym	[SerifBoldSlanted]	[Palatino-BoldItalic]
	\definefontsynonym	[SerifCaps]		[Palatino-SC]
	\definefontsynonym	[SerifBoldCaps]		[Palatino-BoldSC]
\stoptypescript

% Palatino (URW)
\starttypescript	[serif][palatino][texnansi]
  \definefontsynonym	[Palatino-Roman]	[uplr8t]	[encoding=texnansi]
  \definefontsynonym	[Palatino-Bold]		[uplb8t]	[encoding=texnansi]
  \definefontsynonym	[Palatino-Italic]	[uplri8t]	[encoding=texnansi]
  \definefontsynonym	[Palatino-BoldItalic]	[uplbi8t]	[encoding=texnansi]
  \definefontsynonym	[Palatino-Slanted]	[uplri8t]	[encoding=texnansi]
  \definefontsynonym	[Palatino-BoldSlanted]	[uplbi8t]	[encoding=texnansi]
  \definefontsynonym	[Palatino-Caps]		[uplrc8t]	[encoding=texnansi]
\stoptypescript

% Helvetica (URW)
\starttypescript [sans] [helvetica] [\defaultencoding]
	\definefontsynonym [Helvetica-Roman]       [uhvr8r]  [encoding=8r]
	\definefontsynonym [Helvetica-Italic]      [uhvri8r] [encoding=8r]
	\definefontsynonym [Helvetica-Oblique]     [uhvro8r] [encoding=8r]
	\definefontsynonym [Helvetica-Bold]        [uhvb8r]  [encoding=8r]
	\definefontsynonym [Helvetica-BoldItalic]  [uhvbi8r] [encoding=8r]
	\definefontsynonym [Helvetica-BoldOblique] [uhvbo8r] [encoding=8r]
\stoptypescript

% Times (URW)
\starttypescript [serif] [times] [\defaultencoding]
	\definefontsynonym [Times-Roman]       [utmr8r]  [encoding=8r]
	\definefontsynonym [Times-Italic]      [utmri8r] [encoding=8r]
	\definefontsynonym [Times-Bold]        [utmb8r]  [encoding=8r]
	\definefontsynonym [Times-BoldItalic]  [utmbi8r] [encoding=8r] 
%	\definefontsynonym [Times-Slanted]     [utmr8r-slanted-167] [encoding=8r]
%	\definefontsynonym [Times-BoldSlanted] [utmb8r-slanted-167] [encoding=8r]
\stoptypescript

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Re: fonts/tetex

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hello Henning,

> > Has anybody made a 'easy to use' typescript file for tetex?
>
> I always re-install the "old" fonts with the following shell script:

that is not really my definition of 'out of the box' :) 

[...]
> % Palatino (URW)
> \starttypescript	[serif][palatino][texnansi]
>   \definefontsynonym	[Palatino-Roman]	[uplr8t]	[encoding=texnansi]
[...]

why do you say encoding=texnansi with the file ...8t? If I understand the 
kb naming scheme, the 8t stands for '8 bit TeX' aka ec aka T1. And texnansi 
is the one that comes from y&y, also known as 8r, ly1

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Viele Grüße, 

    Patrick Gundlach

Re: fonts/tetex

[Siep]

On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:10:08 +0200
"Patrick Gundlach" <pg@levana.de> wrote:

> 
> why do you say encoding=texnansi with the file ...8t? If I
> understand the 
> kb naming scheme, the 8t stands for '8 bit TeX' aka ec aka T1. And
> texnansi 
> is the one that comes from y&y, also known as 8r, ly1

8y, not 8r

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Re: fonts/tetex

[Patrick Gundlach]

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Hi,

> > texnansi
> > is the one that comes from y&y, also known as 8r, ly1
>
> 8y, not 8r

Oh! You're right. 8r is TeXBase1. It is all so confusing. Thanks.

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Viele Grüße, 

    Patrick Gundlach

Re: fonts/tetex

[Hans Hagen]

At 10:45 AM 3/30/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>do the fonts that are shipped with the tetex distribution work 'out of the
>box'? For example (at least on my system) the palatino-like font from urw
>is mapped (in pdftex.map) like this:
>
>pplr8r "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc <uplr8a.pfb
>
>but there seems to be no mapping from 'Palatino-Roman' to pplr...
>
>
>Has anybody made a 'easy to use' typescript file for tetex?

did you grep type-*.tex ?

If needed we can add an appropriate palatino section to the berry 
typescript so that when you load that, you can use the system fonts

of course you can also use texfont -)

[ps are you still planning to write this font program?]

Hans
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Re: fonts/tetex

[Patrick Gundlach]

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Hi,

> >but there seems to be no mapping from 'Palatino-Roman' to pplr...

> >Has anybody made a 'easy to use' typescript file for tetex?
>
> did you grep type-*.tex ?
sure I did :) There is a mapping to upl*, none to ppl

> If needed we can add an appropriate palatino section to the berry
> typescript so that when you load that, you can use the system fonts

It would be nice if we had a beginners instruction: 'If you have tetex and 
want to use context/postscript fonts, just type \dosomething[very,short]' 
and not 'please run texfont with these options and copy the...' 

I cannot really see the strategy on how to use the system fonts. 
-------------
In the manual ('fonts in context', April 2001) it is said:
\switchtobodyfont[pos,tim]
to switch to times. But that gives me:

kpathsea: Running mktextfm  ec-utmr8a
[...]

which is definately wrong.
------------
the cont-sys.tex says:
% If you want the default berry names (ec and 8r only): 
%
% \usetypescript [berry] [\defaultencoding]

but: where do I go from here? (what do I have to type next to get 
times/palatino...)

------------
\setupencoding[default=8r]
\usetypescript[berry][8r]
\setupbodyfont[pos]

this gives me a messed up encoding
(same with ec)
-------------
\usetypescript [map] [all]
\setupbodyfont[ber,pos,ss,10pt] 

tries to locate 8r-uhvr8a -> fail
--------------
(the above examples came from messages in this mailinglist)

> of course you can also use texfont -)

I would like to use it w/o using texfont :)

> [ps are you still planning to write this font program?]
yes, I wanted to have a running beta by next week (I am giving a tutorial 
about font installation with LaTeX) but since it is more complicated than 
I've thought... there will be a delay.

-- 
Viele Grüße, 

    Patrick Gundlach

Re: fonts/tetex

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am Mittwoch, 3. April 2002 14:39 schrieb Patrick Gundlach:
> sure I did :) There is a mapping to upl*, none to ppl

What's wrong with it?
upl are (free) URW Palladio, ppl are (expensive) Adobe Palatino.
Why there should be a mapping for a font that "nobody" has, at least legally?

I thought you needed the URW mappings -- they're wrong, 'cause I never use 
them any more. My Adobe mappings should be right... ;-)

--------
\starttypescript	[fiee]	[myppl]
\usetypescriptfile[type-hand]
	\definetypeface [myppl] [rm] [serif] [adobe-palatino]	[default]
 [encoding=\defaultencoding]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [map] [\defaultencoding]
	\loadmapfile	[\defaultencoding-adobe-palatino.map]
\stoptypescript

% serif Palatino (I use the same for Adobe and URW)
\starttypescript[serif][palatino][name]
	\definefontsynonym	[Serif]			[Palatino-Roman]
	\definefontsynonym	[SerifItalic]		[Palatino-Italic]
	\definefontsynonym	[SerifSlanted]		[Palatino-Italic] % slanting is a crime
	\definefontsynonym	[SerifBold]		[Palatino-Bold]
	\definefontsynonym	[SerifBoldItalic]	[Palatino-BoldItalic]
	\definefontsynonym	[SerifBoldSlanted]	[Palatino-BoldItalic]

	\definefontsynonym	[SerifMedium]		[Palatino-Medium]
	\definefontsynonym	[SerifMediumItalic]	[Palatino-MediumItalic]
	\definefontsynonym	[SerifLight]		[Palatino-Light]
	\definefontsynonym	[SerifLightItalic]	[Palatino-LightItalic]
	\definefontsynonym	[SerifBlack]		[Palatino-Black]
	\definefontsynonym	[SerifBlackItalic]	[Palatino-BlackItalic]

	\definefontsynonym	[SerifCaps]		[Palatino-SC]
	\definefontsynonym	[SerifBoldCaps]		[Palatino-BoldSC]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript[serif][adobe-palatino][name]
	\usetypescript[serif][palatino][name]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript	[serif][adobe-palatino][\defaultencoding]
  \definefontsynonym[Palatino-Roman]		[\defaultencoding-por]			             	 
[encoding=\defaultencoding]
  \definefontsynonym[Palatino-Italic]		[\defaultencoding-poi]
	[encoding=\defaultencoding]
  \definefontsynonym[Palatino-Bold]		[\defaultencoding-pob]
	[encoding=\defaultencoding]
  \definefontsynonym[Palatino-BoldItalic]	[\defaultencoding-pobi]
	[encoding=\defaultencoding]
  \definefontsynonym[Palatino-SC]		[\defaultencoding-posc]
	[encoding=\defaultencoding]
  \definefontsynonym[Palatino-ItalicOsF]	[\defaultencoding-poios]
	[encoding=\defaultencoding]
  \definefontsynonym[Palatino-BoldOsF]		[\defaultencoding-pobos]
	[encoding=\defaultencoding] 
  \definefontsynonym[Palatino-BoldItalicOsF]	[\defaultencoding-pobio]
	[encoding=\defaultencoding]
  \definefontsynonym[Palatino-Light]		[\defaultencoding-pol]
	[encoding=\defaultencoding]
  \definefontsynonym[Palatino-LightItalic]	[\defaultencoding-poli]
	[encoding=\defaultencoding]
  \definefontsynonym[Palatino-Medium]		[\defaultencoding-pom]
	[encoding=\defaultencoding]
  \definefontsynonym[Palatino-MediumItalic]	[\defaultencoding-pomi]
	[encoding=\defaultencoding]
  \definefontsynonym[Palatino-Black]		[\defaultencoding-pobl]
	[encoding=\defaultencoding]
  \definefontsynonym[Palatino-BlackItalic]	[\defaultencoding-pobli]
	[encoding=\defaultencoding]
\stoptypescript

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fonts/tetex

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hello Henning,

> > sure I did :) There is a mapping to upl*, none to ppl
>
> What's wrong with it?
not very much... it just won't work :)

> upl are (free) URW Palladio, ppl are (expensive) Adobe Palatino.
not really. On my two tetex installations, when I as the dvi driver for a 
pplr* font, it is the URW variant. It should be uplr* but it isn't. Don't 
konw where this comes from.

> Why there should be a mapping for a font that "nobody" has, at least
> legally?
I don't know who made the psfonts.map /pdftex.map file.

[...]

>   \definefontsynonym[Palatino-Roman]		[\defaultencoding-por]
> [encoding=\defaultencoding]
>   \definefontsynonym[Palatino-Italic]		[\defaultencoding-poi]

[...]

that is something I want to avoid: reinstalling the font again and again.

-- 
Viele Grüße, 

    Patrick Gundlach

Re: fonts/tetex

[Frans Goddijn]

I would like that very much as well. I didn't even know that out-of-the-box
there were more fonts possible than CMR. From the recent messages I see that
it is possible but very complicated and sensitive to misunderstanding, so a
short listing of what one should exactly do to get such fonts (including a
working tex file, not snippets that one should select, combine, add or
modify) would be something I'd be looking forward to!

> It would be nice if we had a beginners instruction: 'If you have tetex and
> want to use context/postscript fonts, just type \dosomething[very,short]'
> and not 'please run texfont with these options and copy the...'

Re: fonts/tetex

[Magnus Lie Hetland]

Frans Goddijn <frans@goddijn.com>:
>
> I would like that very much as well. I didn't even know that out-of-the-box
> there were more fonts possible than CMR. From the recent messages I see that
> it is possible but very complicated and sensitive to misunderstanding, so a
> short listing of what one should exactly do to get such fonts (including a
> working tex file, not snippets that one should select, combine, add or
> modify) would be something I'd be looking forward to!

Strongly seconded. CMR is just not an option for me, an until I can
figure this stuff out, I'm stuck with LaTeX/mathpple. (Not that bad, I
guess, but...)

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Re: fonts/tetex

[Bill McClain]

On Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:50:51 +0200
Magnus Lie Hetland <magnus@hetland.org> wrote:

> Strongly seconded. CMR is just not an option for me, an until I can
> figure this stuff out, I'm stuck with LaTeX/mathpple. (Not that bad, I
> guess, but...)

I haven't added new examples recently, but my page at
http://home.salamander.com/~wmcclain/context-help.html shows how to
select fonts that already exist on the system, as well as how to install
new fonts with texfont. I use Charter and Utopia as examples of existing
fonts, and Sabon as a new font.

The page  goes into typescripts in some detail, because that method
gives the greatest flexibility of definition. And, believe it or not, it
is actually easy to use once you know how. It was a short time ago that
I was posting "please help a beginner" messages...

-Bill

Re: fonts/tetex

[Frans Goddijn]

What I did was ask a local TeX guru to exactly tell me which files to put
where to get my Times font working with the expert set that I added from a
shop. So I do have one alternative font working, but I'd still like to know
how to use the other stuff that's apparently in my installation in some
way...

> > I would like that very much as well. I didn't even know
> > that out-of-the-box there were more fonts possible than
> > CMR. From the recent messages I see that it is possible
> > but very complicated and sensitive to misunderstanding, so a
> > short listing of what one should exactly do to get such fonts
> > (including a working tex file, not snippets that one should
> > select, combine, add or modify) would be something I'd be
> > looking forward to!

> Strongly seconded. CMR is just not an option for me, an until I can
> figure this stuff out, I'm stuck with LaTeX/mathpple. (Not that bad, I
> guess, but...)

Re: fonts/tetex

[Hans Hagen]

At 07:00 PM 4/4/2002 +0200, Frans Goddijn wrote:
>What I did was ask a local TeX guru to exactly tell me which files to put
>where to get my Times font working with the expert set that I added from a
>shop. So I do have one alternative font working, but I'd still like to know
>how to use the other stuff that's apparently in my installation in some
>way...

oh, when we need 'm and hav 'm, we will probably add configuration files to 
the distribution -)
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Re: fonts/tetex

[Hans Hagen]

At 02:39 PM 4/3/2002 +0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote:
>Hi,
>
> > >but there seems to be no mapping from 'Palatino-Roman' to pplr...
>
> > >Has anybody made a 'easy to use' typescript file for tetex?
> >
> > did you grep type-*.tex ?
>sure I did :) There is a mapping to upl*, none to ppl
>
>
> > If needed we can add an appropriate palatino section to the berry
> > typescript so that when you load that, you can use the system fonts
>
>It would be nice if we had a beginners instruction: 'If you have tetex and
>want to use context/postscript fonts, just type \dosomething[very,short]'
>and not 'please run texfont with these options and copy the...'
>
>
>I cannot really see the strategy on how to use the system fonts.

All definitions in type-* are based on the more extended naming of fonts, 
i.e. the -encoding scheme; now, on my machine (with map loading enabled) i 
can say:

\definetypeface[charter] [rm][serif][charter] [default][encoding=texnansi]
\definetypeface[utopia]  [rm][serif][utopia]  [default][encoding=texnansi]
\definetypeface[bookman] [rm][serif][bookman] [default][encoding=texnansi]
\definetypeface[palatino][rm][serif][palatino][default][encoding=texnansi]

\starttext
   \switchtobodyfont[         10pt] \input tufte \par
   \switchtobodyfont[charter, 10pt] \input tufte \par
   \switchtobodyfont[utopia,  10pt] \input tufte \par
   \switchtobodyfont[bookman, 10pt] \input tufte \par
   \switchtobodyfont[palatino,10pt] \input tufte \par
\stoptext

So, the free fonts on tex live (there are some more defined) are already 
available!

If you want, i can send you a zip with the texmf-fonts tree (as generated 
by texfont) that is needed for this.

If you want berry names, you can start your file with

\usetypescript[berry][texnansi]

or [ec] if you've used encoding=ec

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Re: fonts/tetex

[Nigel King]

-- 
Nigel

> All definitions in type-* are based on the more extended naming of fonts,
> i.e. the -encoding scheme; now, on my machine (with map loading enabled) i
> can say:
I assume you mean \autoloadmapfilestrue

> 
> \definetypeface[charter] [rm][serif][charter] [default][encoding=texnansi]
> \definetypeface[utopia]  [rm][serif][utopia]  [default][encoding=texnansi]
> \definetypeface[bookman] [rm][serif][bookman] [default][encoding=texnansi]
> \definetypeface[palatino][rm][serif][palatino][default][encoding=texnansi]
> 
> \starttext
>  \switchtobodyfont[         10pt] \input tufte \par
>  \switchtobodyfont[charter, 10pt] \input tufte \par
>  \switchtobodyfont[utopia,  10pt] \input tufte \par
>  \switchtobodyfont[bookman, 10pt] \input tufte \par
>  \switchtobodyfont[palatino,10pt] \input tufte \par
> \stoptext
All but charter worked for me, I don't think I have run texfont on charter.
We ought to be able to use the Acrobat 14 embedded fonts shouldn't we.
Helvetica, times, courier, etc. You wouldn't happen to have wonderful
example lines would you? I have been fighting this as well. What I am
guessing that the above lets us do is to grow into the delights of
fontsynonyms later.
> 
> So, the free fonts on tex live (there are some more defined) are already
> available!
> 
> If you want, i can send you a zip with the texmf-fonts tree (as generated
> by texfont) that is needed for this.
> 
> If you want berry names, you can start your file with
> 
> \usetypescript[berry][texnansi]
> 
> or [ec] if you've used encoding=ec
> 
I think this is one of the complexities that new starters have trouble with.
I am sure the statement is true but what us less expert people need is the
consistent simple place to start and then move on when we have to.

Nigel King

Re: fonts/tetex

[Hans Hagen]

At 12:24 PM 4/4/2002 +0100, Nigel King wrote:

>We ought to be able to use the Acrobat 14 embedded fonts shouldn't we.

i never use the embedded ones, since they keep on changing the metrics; so, 
i always embed times, helvetica etc [also, system fonts are substitutes 
sometimes, which is not what you want]

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fonts/tetex

[Patrick Gundlach]

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Hallo Hans,

[...]
> \definetypeface[charter] [rm][serif][charter]
> [default][encoding=texnansi] \definetypeface[utopia]  [rm][serif][utopia]
>  [default][encoding=texnansi] \definetypeface[bookman]
> [rm][serif][bookman] [default][encoding=texnansi]
> \definetypeface[palatino][rm][serif][palatino][default][encoding=texnansi
>]
>
> \starttext
>    \switchtobodyfont[         10pt] \input tufte \par
>    \switchtobodyfont[charter, 10pt] \input tufte \par
>    \switchtobodyfont[utopia,  10pt] \input tufte \par
>    \switchtobodyfont[bookman, 10pt] \input tufte \par
>    \switchtobodyfont[palatino,10pt] \input tufte \par
> \stoptext
>

this gives me 

[...]
kpathsea: Running mktextfm  texnansi-bchr8a

which cannot be found.

> So, the free fonts on tex live (there are some more defined) are already
> available!
that is not the case (as far as I have seen it) for tetex.

> If you want, i can send you a zip with the texmf-fonts tree (as generated
> by texfont) that is needed for this.
well, that is something I want to avoid. (Installing the fonts again)

> If you want berry names, you can start your file with
>
> \usetypescript[berry][texnansi]
doesn't help.

So I'll probably set up my own tetex stuff. (Actually, one quarter is 
already working)

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    Patrick Gundlach

Re: fonts/tetex

[Frans Goddijn]

> So I'll probably set up my own tetex stuff.
> (Actually, one quarter is already working)

If you can document it in a way that makes it workable for others as well
that would be great!

Re: fonts/tetex

[Nigel King]

>> \definetypeface[charter] [rm][serif][charter]
>> [default][encoding=texnansi] \definetypeface[utopia]  [rm][serif][utopia]
>>  [default][encoding=texnansi] \definetypeface[bookman]
>> [rm][serif][bookman] [default][encoding=texnansi]
>> \definetypeface[palatino][rm][serif][palatino][default][encoding=texnansi
>> ]
>> 
>> \starttext
>>    \switchtobodyfont[         10pt] \input tufte \par
>>    \switchtobodyfont[charter, 10pt] \input tufte \par
>>    \switchtobodyfont[utopia,  10pt] \input tufte \par
>>    \switchtobodyfont[bookman, 10pt] \input tufte \par
>>    \switchtobodyfont[palatino,10pt] \input tufte \par
>> \stoptext
>> 
> 
> this gives me 
> 
> [...]
> kpathsea: Running mktextfm  texnansi-bchr8a
> 
> which cannot be found.
> 
If you comment out the lines for charter does the rest of it work. Mine
does.

Re: fonts/tetex

[Patrick Gundlach]

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Hello Nigel,

> >
> > this gives me
> >
> > [...]
> > kpathsea: Running mktextfm  texnansi-bchr8a
> >
> > which cannot be found.
>
> If you comment out the lines for charter does the rest of it work. Mine
> does.

it doesn't. pdfetex always asks for texnansi-* which does not exist.

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    Patrick Gundlach

Re: fonts/tetex

[Patrick Gundlach]

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Hi,

I had a look at the berry typescript and created a tetex typescript:

type-tetex.tex

%% do not use :) except for experiments
%% Patrick Gundlach
%% Last Change: Thu Apr  4 19:11:38 2002

\starttypescript [tetex] [ec]
\definefontsynonym [ec-utmr8a]                 [ptmr8t]
\definefontsynonym [ec-utmri8a]                [ptmri8t]
\definefontsynonym [ec-utmb8a]                 [ptmb8t]
\definefontsynonym [ec-utmbi8a]                [ptmbi8t]
\definefontsynonym [ec-utmr8a-slanted-167]     [ptmro8t]
\definefontsynonym [ec-utmb8a-slanted-167]     [ptmbo8t]
\stoptypescript

this is my testfile:

\setupencoding[default=ec]
\usetypescriptfile[type-tetex]
\usetypescript[tetex][ec]
\definetypeface[times]    [rm][serif][times]   [default][encoding=ec]
\starttext
 \switchtobodyfont[times, 10pt]  times \showcharacters  \par
\stoptext

It switches to times, but the encoding is messed up.

-- 
Viele Grüße, 

    Patrick Gundlach

fonts/tetex

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi,

one other question:

why do I have to say  \switchtobodyfont [rm] in order to switch to the new 
font? The  \showbodyfont looks ok but everything is typeset in the old \rm 
(cmr)

by the way: what is the preferred method to switch the \rm style only? I 
would like to be able to say \usetypescript[times] and have the \rm 
changed, but leave the \ss and \tt alone. So it would stay at cmss and 
cmtt, unless I issue a changing command.

file a.tex:

\enableregime [il1]
\setupencoding[default=ec]
\usetypescriptfile[type-tetex]
\usetypescript[tetex]
\starttext
\switchtobodyfont [rm]%  <----------------- this line
The quick brown fox jumps over the 1234567890 lazy dog öäü ß ÖÄÜ
\showcharacters
\showbodyfont
\stoptext

file type-tetex.tex:
%% do not use :) except for experiments
%% Patrick Gundlach
%% Last Change: Thu Apr  4 23:00:30 2002

% Times-Roman
\starttypescript [tetexnames][ec]
 \definefontsynonym [Times-Roman]      [ptmr8t]  [encoding=ec]
 \definefontsynonym [Times-Italic]     [ptmri8t] [encoding=ec]
 \definefontsynonym [Times-Bold]       [ptmb8t]  [encoding=ec]
 \definefontsynonym [Times-BoldItalic] [ptmbi8t] [encoding=ec]
 \definefontsynonym [Times-Slanted]    [ptmro8t] [encoding=ec]
 \definefontsynonym [Times-BoldSlanted][ptmbo8t] [encoding=ec]
 \definefontsynonym [Times-Caps]       [ptmrc8t] [encoding=ec]
 \definefontsynonym [Times-BoldCaps]   [ptmbc8t] [encoding=ec]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript[serif][tetextimes][name]
 \definefontsynonym [Serif]           [Times-Roman]
 \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic]     [Times-Italic]
 \definefontsynonym [SerifBold]       [Times-Bold]        
 \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [Times-BoldItalic]  
 \definefontsynonym [SerifSlanted]    [Times-Slanted]     
 \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldSlanted][Times-BoldSlanted] 
 \definefontsynonym [SerifCaps]       [Times-Caps] 
 \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldCaps]   [Times-BoldCaps] 
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [tetex]
  \usetypescript[tetexnames][ec]
  \usetypescript[serif][tetextimes][name]% mapping Serif-> Times-Roman
  \usetypescript[serif][default][size]% type-siz.tex
\stoptypescript

-- 
Viele Grüße, 

    Patrick Gundlach

Re: fonts/tetex

[Hans Hagen]

At 11:11 PM 4/4/2002 +0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote:
>Hi,
>
>one other question:
>
>why do I have to say  \switchtobodyfont [rm] in order to switch to the new
>font? The  \showbodyfont looks ok but everything is typeset in the old \rm
>(cmr)
>
>by the way: what is the preferred method to switch the \rm style only? I
>would like to be able to say \usetypescript[times] and have the \rm
>changed, but leave the \ss and \tt alone. So it would stay at cmss and
>cmtt, unless I issue a changing command.
>
>
>file a.tex:
>
>\enableregime [il1]
>\setupencoding[default=ec]
>\usetypescriptfile[type-tetex]
>\usetypescript[tetex]
>\starttext
>\switchtobodyfont [rm]%  <----------------- this line
>The quick brown fox jumps over the 1234567890 lazy dog öäü ß ÖÄÜ
>\showcharacters
>\showbodyfont
>\stoptext
>
>
>
>file type-tetex.tex:
>%% do not use :) except for experiments
>%% Patrick Gundlach
>%% Last Change: Thu Apr  4 23:00:30 2002
>
>% Times-Roman
>\starttypescript [tetexnames][ec]

or [serif][tetextimes][ec]

>  \definefontsynonym [Times-Roman]      [ptmr8t]  [encoding=ec]
>  \definefontsynonym [Times-Italic]     [ptmri8t] [encoding=ec]
>  \definefontsynonym [Times-Bold]       [ptmb8t]  [encoding=ec]
>  \definefontsynonym [Times-BoldItalic] [ptmbi8t] [encoding=ec]
>  \definefontsynonym [Times-Slanted]    [ptmro8t] [encoding=ec]
>  \definefontsynonym [Times-BoldSlanted][ptmbo8t] [encoding=ec]
>  \definefontsynonym [Times-Caps]       [ptmrc8t] [encoding=ec]
>  \definefontsynonym [Times-BoldCaps]   [ptmbc8t] [encoding=ec]
>\stoptypescript
>\starttypescript[serif][tetextimes][name]
>  \definefontsynonym [Serif]           [Times-Roman]
>  \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic]     [Times-Italic]
>  \definefontsynonym [SerifBold]       [Times-Bold]
>  \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [Times-BoldItalic]
>  \definefontsynonym [SerifSlanted]    [Times-Slanted]
>  \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldSlanted][Times-BoldSlanted]
>  \definefontsynonym [SerifCaps]       [Times-Caps]
>  \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldCaps]   [Times-BoldCaps]
>\stoptypescript

not needed:

>\starttypescript [tetex]
>   \usetypescript[tetexnames][ec]
>   \usetypescript[serif][tetextimes][name]% mapping Serif-> Times-Roman
>   \usetypescript[serif][default][size]% type-siz.tex
>\stoptypescript

better:

\usetypescript[tetexnames][ec]

\definetypeface[patrick][rm][serif][tetextimes][default][encoding=ec]

\setupbodyfont[patrick,10pt]

(untested)
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Re: fonts/tetex

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hello Hans et al.,

> >% Times-Roman
> >\starttypescript [tetexnames][ec]
>
> or [serif][tetextimes][ec]

yes, but with the above I can gather all stranges names into one 
typescript!?! Or should I rather use \usetypescript [all][tetexnames][ec] 
when accessing the names?

> not needed:
> >\starttypescript [tetex]
> >   \usetypescript[tetexnames][ec]
> >   \usetypescript[serif][tetextimes][name]% mapping Serif-> Times-Roman
> >   \usetypescript[serif][default][size]% type-siz.tex
> >\stoptypescript
>
> better:
>
> \usetypescript[tetexnames][ec]
> \definetypeface[patrick][rm][serif][tetextimes][default][encoding=ec]
> \setupbodyfont[patrick,10pt]

but with the first method I can change the apperance of \rm only, while the 
latter messes up the \ss and \tt families. But this has the drawback I 
mentioned in the mail.

I want to swith the \rm only. How can this be accomplished?

Another question: am I right when I believe that \starttypescript [..] [..] 
... have nothing to do with fonts? Except that they are used when calling 
\defineypeface? Aren't they 'just' filtering methods for any kind of stuff 
(but don't get the 'just' wrong, I like this kind of stuff).

-- 
Viele Grüße, 

    Patrick Gundlach

Re: fonts/tetex

[Hans Hagen]

At 09:27 PM 4/5/2002 +0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote:
>Hello Hans et al.,
>
> > >% Times-Roman
> > >\starttypescript [tetexnames][ec]
> >
> > or [serif][tetextimes][ec]
>
>yes, but with the above I can gather all stranges names into one
>typescript!?! Or should I rather use \usetypescript [all][tetexnames][ec]
>when accessing the names?

[tetexnames][ec]

is ok then

>I want to swith the \rm only. How can this be accomplished?

see type-pre.tex:

\usetypescript [sans,mono,math] [computer-modern] [default,name,size]

>Another question: am I right when I believe that \starttypescript [..] [..]
>... have nothing to do with fonts? Except that they are used when calling
>\defineypeface? Aren't they 'just' filtering methods for any kind of stuff
>(but don't get the 'just' wrong, I like this kind of stuff).

they are indeed filtering methods, but they do a bit of pushing and popping 
in order to preserve states; i will probably generalize it (in which case 
it should be configurable)

Hans
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Re: fonts/tetex

[Patrick Gundlach]

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Good morning,

> see type-pre.tex:
> \usetypescript [sans,mono,math] [computer-modern] [default,name,size]

Oh, I might have expressed myself a bit fuzzyly. I want to use 
\definetypface[..][rm][serif]....
but the typeface [...][ss][sans]....
and the typeface [...][tt][mono].... should not be touched. (Not even 
switched back to cm)

Example: in LaTeX (the L-word :) if you say \usepackage{times}, only the 
\rmdefault will be changed to times roman, the \sfdefault (sans) and 
\ttdefault will be left in its original state. That way you can set up a 
typsecript and change one font (rm, ss, tt) afterwards. With 
\definetypeface, this is (as far as I have seen) not possible. (I have read 
the source but could not find a reason why this is the behaviour.)

-- 
Viele Grüße, 

    Patrick Gundlach

Re: fonts/tetex

[Patrick Gundlach]

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Hi again,

I'd really like to get this solved :) Sorry for bothering you...

> > see type-pre.tex:
> > \usetypescript [sans,mono,math] [computer-modern] [default,name,size]
>
> Oh, I might have expressed myself a bit fuzzyly. I want to use
> \definetypface[..][rm][serif]....
> but the typeface [...][ss][sans]....
> and the typeface [...][tt][mono].... should not be touched. (Not even
> switched back to cm)
>
> Example: in LaTeX (the L-word :) if you say \usepackage{times}, only the
> \rmdefault will be changed to times roman, the \sfdefault (sans) and
> \ttdefault will be left in its original state. That way you can set up a
> typsecript and change one font (rm, ss, tt) afterwards. With
> \definetypeface, this is (as far as I have seen) not possible. (I have
> read the source but could not find a reason why this is the behaviour.)

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Viele Grüße, 

    Patrick Gundlach