Re: Fwd: Re: sharps and flats and Euler (was Re: typo in math-tex)

Re: Fwd: Re: sharps and flats and Euler (was Re: typo in math-tex)

[Adam Lindsay]

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>>\def\Flat{\symbol[Flat]}
>>\def\Natural{\symbol[Natural]}
>>\def\Sharp{\symbol[Sharp]}
>>
>>Are there any better ways of doing this?
>
>maybe create a symbol set (did you look in symb-*.tex ?) I think some 
>standardization in naming is needed here

I got started by looking at symb-eur.tex. I'll look further for a better
approach.

>in order to get that working the basic math text font should be euler as 
>well;

Sorry. I don't know what exactly you mean by that. Do you mean manually
setting the math roman(?) font to eurm10?

> also, you need to code all you numbers in the source as math, so 
>"about 25 years ago" becomes "about $25$ years ago";

Is this a necessity? I'd prefer my text font's numerals in text, and the
math numerals in formulae.

> euler was made by 
>hermann zapf and used in "concrete math" (nice book by knuth cum suis) 
>combined with concrete romman (afaik no type 1 available)

It's a nice font. I found it matched with Charter really well, and after
that, found that other people on the net seem to agree with me.

I had followed up this email with the attached minimal test. It doesn't
give the glyphs I expect. I've tried all sorts of combinations to try to
trigger the math symbols in math-eul, but I don't get any closer than this.

Cheers,
adam

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Re: Fwd: Re: sharps and flats and Euler (was Re: typo in math-tex)

[Hans Hagen]

At 11:59 AM 1/14/2003 +0000, Adam Lindsay wrote:

> >in order to get that working the basic math text font should be euler as
> >well;
>
>Sorry. I don't know what exactly you mean by that. Do you mean manually
>setting the math roman(?) font to eurm10?

take a look in the type-* files for times and palatino math; we need a 
similar setup for euler

> > also, you need to code all you numbers in the source as math, so
> >"about 25 years ago" becomes "about $25$ years ago";
>
>Is this a necessity? I'd prefer my text font's numerals in text, and the
>math numerals in formulae.

no problem

> > euler was made by
> >hermann zapf and used in "concrete math" (nice book by knuth cum suis)
> >combined with concrete romman (afaik no type 1 available)
>
>It's a nice font. I found it matched with Charter really well, and after
>that, found that other people on the net seem to agree with me.

in that case, we should make a typescript that combines these fonts in a 
typeface, also taking care of proper relative scaling

>I had followed up this email with the attached minimal test. It doesn't
>give the glyphs I expect. I've tried all sorts of combinations to try to
>trigger the math symbols in math-eul, but I don't get any closer than this.

I will have a look

Hans
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Re: Fwd: Re: sharps and flats and Euler (was Re: typo in math-tex)

[Adam Lindsay]

Hans Hagen said this at Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:01:34 +0100:

>>Sorry. I don't know what exactly you mean by that. Do you mean manually
>>setting the math roman(?) font to eurm10?
>
>take a look in the type-* files for times and palatino math; we need a 
>similar setup for euler

In general, eul seems to be nearly as complete as tim. 

After lots of experimentation, it seems like the switch mechanisms are
entirely in type-siz, though. Changes made with type-enc and type-syn (or
facsimiles thereof) had no effect. However, adding "mr=eurm10 sa 1" into
the type-siz euler entry got me further. 

I will experiment some more with this when I get home.

>>It's a nice font. I found it matched with Charter really well, and after
>>that, found that other people on the net seem to agree with me.
>
>in that case, we should make a typescript that combines these fonts in a 
>typeface, also taking care of proper relative scaling

That's where I started, before simplifying. Charter and Euler work at
more or less the same size. I scale Helvetica at 0.92, and cmtt at 1.1,
and I have a family, thanks, in part, to Bill McClain's guidelines.

>I will have a look

Thanks,
adam

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