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* Problems recompiling LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex
@ 2003-03-04 16:45 James J. Ramsey
  2003-03-05 17:30 ` Hans Hagen
                   ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: James J. Ramsey @ 2003-03-04 16:45 UTC (permalink / raw)


I wanted to recompile LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex mainly to get
a PDF file with bookmarks. However, I think I may have
smoked out some problems with my ConTeXt installation
in the process. I'm running Red Hat 8.0, with
teTeX-1.0.7.

The output from texexec is as follows:


 TeXExec 2.6 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2001

            executable : pdfetex
                format : cont-en
             inputfile : LaTeX2ConTeXt
                output : pdftex
             interface : en
          current mode : all
               TeX run : 1

This is pdfeTeX, Version
3.14159-14h-released-20010417-2.1 (Web2C 7.3.3.1)
entering extended mode
(./LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex{/usr/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg}

ConTeXt  ver: 2002.1.28  fmt: 2003.3.3  int: english 
mes: english

language       : language en is active
system         : cont-new loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
systems        : beware: some patches loaded from
cont-new.tex!
)
system         : cont-old loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-old.tex
loading        : Context Old Macros
)
system         : cont-fil loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex
loading        : Context File Synonyms
)
system         : cont-sys loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/user/cont-sys.tex)
bodyfont       : 12pt rm is loaded
language       : patterns 2-en-2 2-uk-2 2-de-2 2-fr-2
2-nl-2 loaded
specials       : tex,postscript,rokicki loaded
system         : LaTeX2ConTeXt.top loaded
(./LaTeX2ConTeXt.top
specials       : loading definition file tpd
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-tpd.tex
specials       : loading definition file fdf
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-fdf.tex
<unprotect 3> <unprotect 4>
<protect 4> <protect 3>)
specials       : fdf loaded
<unprotect 3> <protect 3>)
specials       : fdf,tpd loaded
) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-pre.tex
typescript     : [berry] [ec] []
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex))
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-pre.tex
typescript     : [serif] [times] [name,default]
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex)
typescript     : [sans] [helvetica] [name,default]
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex)
typescript     : [mono] [courier] [name,default]
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex)
typescript     : [serif,sans,mono] [default] [size]
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex)
typescript     : [map] [default] []
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex
pdftex         : needs map file: original-ams-cmr.map
pdftex         : needs map file:
original-ams-euler.map
pdftex         : needs map file: original-ams-logo.map
pdftex         : needs map file:
original-micropress-informal.map
) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex))kpathsea:
Running mktextfm  Times-Roman
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Could not map source
abbreviation T for Times-Roman.
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Need to update
/usr/share/texmf/fontname/special.map?
mktextfm: Running mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1;
nonstopmode; input Times-Roman
This is METAFONT, Version 2.7182 (Web2C 7.3.1)
kpathsea: Running mktexmf  Times-Roman

! I can't find file `Times-Roman'.
<*> ...our; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input Times-Roman
                                                  
Please type another input file name
! Emergency stop.
<*> ...our; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input Times-Roman
                                                  
Transcript written on mfput.log.
mktextfm: `mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode;
input Times-Roman' failed.
kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to
missfont.log.

! Font \*12ptrmtf*=Times-Roman at 12.0pt not loadable:
Metric (TFM) file not fo
und.
\lastfontname ->Times-Roman at \scaledfont 
                                           
\donoparsefontspec ... #1\endcsname \lastfontname 
                                                 
\relax \relax 
\xxdododefinefont ...tspec {#2}\newfontidentifier 
                                                 
\doresetrelativefontsize \...

\fontstrategy ...ame #1\csname #2#3#4#5\endcsname 
                                                 
\tryingfontfalse \fi 
<inserted text> ...yle \fontalternative \fontsize 
                                                  \fi
\iftryingfont \fontstr...

\synchronizefont ...strategy \the \fontstrategies 
                                                 
\relax \fi \ifskipfontchar...
...
l.13 \setupbodyfont[ber,pos]
                            
? I wasn't able to read the size data for this font,
so I will ignore the font specification.
[Wizards can fix TFM files using TFtoPL/PLtoTF.]
You might try inserting a different font spec;
e.g., type `I\font<same font id>=<substitute font
name>'.

? No pages of output.
Transcript written on LaTeX2ConTeXt.log.

              run time : 52 seconds

        total run time : 52 seconds

What is going on?


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* Re: Problems recompiling LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex
  2003-03-04 16:45 Problems recompiling LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex James J. Ramsey
@ 2003-03-05 17:30 ` Hans Hagen
  2003-03-05 17:34 ` Jens-Uwe Morawski
  2003-03-05 20:25 ` Simon Pepping
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2003-03-05 17:30 UTC (permalink / raw)


At 08:45 AM 3/4/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>I wanted to recompile LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex mainly to get
>a PDF file with bookmarks. However, I think I may have
>smoked out some problems with my ConTeXt installation
>in the process. I'm running Red Hat 8.0, with
>teTeX-1.0.7.
>
>The output from texexec is as follows:
>
>
>  TeXExec 2.6 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2001
>
>             executable : pdfetex
>                 format : cont-en
>              inputfile : LaTeX2ConTeXt
>                 output : pdftex
>              interface : en
>           current mode : all
>                TeX run : 1
>
>This is pdfeTeX, Version
>3.14159-14h-released-20010417-2.1 (Web2C 7.3.3.1)

that's old

>entering extended mode
>(./LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex{/usr/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg}

maybe

   \usetypescript[berry][ec]

helps

Hans
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* Re: Problems recompiling LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex
  2003-03-04 16:45 Problems recompiling LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex James J. Ramsey
  2003-03-05 17:30 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2003-03-05 17:34 ` Jens-Uwe Morawski
  2003-03-05 18:16   ` James J. Ramsey
  2003-03-05 20:25 ` Simon Pepping
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Jens-Uwe Morawski @ 2003-03-05 17:34 UTC (permalink / raw)


On Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:45:24 -0800 (PST)
"James J. Ramsey" <jjramsey_6x9eq42@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I wanted to recompile LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex mainly to get
> a PDF file with bookmarks. However, I think I may have
> smoked out some problems with my ConTeXt installation
> in the process. I'm running Red Hat 8.0, with
> teTeX-1.0.7.

i would prefer an update at least to TEXLive7
and the current ConTeXt

> What is going on?

find the file cont-sys.tex and uncomment the lines
 \setupencoding [\s!default=ec]
 \usetypescript [berry] [\defaultencoding]

if this still does not work since font utmr8r etc. is
not found then you should install an up-to-date TeX
distribution

Jens

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* Re: Problems recompiling LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex
  2003-03-05 17:34 ` Jens-Uwe Morawski
@ 2003-03-05 18:16   ` James J. Ramsey
  2003-03-05 21:55     ` Jens-Uwe Morawski
  2003-03-06  9:37     ` Maarten Sneep
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: James J. Ramsey @ 2003-03-05 18:16 UTC (permalink / raw)



--- Jens-Uwe Morawski <morawski@gmx.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:45:24 -0800 (PST)
> "James J. Ramsey" <jjramsey_6x9eq42@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I think I may
> have
> > smoked out some problems with my ConTeXt
> installation
> > in the process. I'm running Red Hat 8.0, with
> > teTeX-1.0.7.
> 
> i would prefer an update at least to TEXLive7
> and the current ConTeXt

Easier said than done on most Linux distros. teTeX is
"standard equipment" on many of them, and often a
dependency.

> 
> > What is going on?
> 
> find the file cont-sys.tex and uncomment the lines
>  \setupencoding [\s!default=ec]
>  \usetypescript [berry] [\defaultencoding]

That didn't work. I get this complaint:

! Undefined control sequence.
<argument> \s
              !default=ec
\xprocesscommaitem #1,#2->\if ,#1
                                 ,\@EA
\xprocesscommaitem \else \if ]#1\@EAE...

\xdogetparameters #1]->\xprocesscommaitem #1,]
                                             
,\@relax@
\dosetupencoding [#1]->\getparameters [\??ec ][#1]
                                                 
\edef \defaultencoding {\i...
l.1 \setupencoding [\s!default=ec]

> if this still does not work since font utmr8r etc.
> is
> not found 

Yeah, I do not have that font. Oddly enough, I do have
the files utmr8a.pfb and utmr8a.afm, but no utmr8r.

> then you should install an up-to-date TeX
> distribution

As I said, easier said than done.


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* Re: Problems recompiling LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex
  2003-03-04 16:45 Problems recompiling LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex James J. Ramsey
  2003-03-05 17:30 ` Hans Hagen
  2003-03-05 17:34 ` Jens-Uwe Morawski
@ 2003-03-05 20:25 ` Simon Pepping
  2003-03-05 22:26   ` James J. Ramsey
  2003-03-05 23:03   ` Jens-Uwe Morawski
  2 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Simon Pepping @ 2003-03-05 20:25 UTC (permalink / raw)


On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 08:45:24AM -0800, James J. Ramsey wrote:
> 
> ! I can't find file `Times-Roman'.
> <*> ...our; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input Times-Roman
>                                                   
> Please type another input file name
> ! Emergency stop.
> <*> ...our; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input Times-Roman
>                                                   
> Transcript written on mfput.log.
> mktextfm: `mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode;
> input Times-Roman' failed.
> kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to
> missfont.log.
> 
> ! Font \*12ptrmtf*=Times-Roman at 12.0pt not loadable:
> Metric (TFM) file not fo
> und.
> \lastfontname ->Times-Roman at \scaledfont 
                                            
I think you need to add the following lines of code:

\setupencoding[default=ec]
\usetypescript [serif] [times]     [\defaultencoding]
\usetypescript [sans]  [helvetica] [\defaultencoding]
\usetypescript [mono]  [courier]   [\defaultencoding]
\usetypescript [berry] [\defaultencoding]

These map Times-Roman to utmr etc., which hopefully are on your
installation. If they are not, you should have ptmr etc., but that
would require a modified version of these typescripts.

Alternatively, you can use the following lines of code, which achieve
the same thing:

\usetypescript[postscript] [ec]
\usetypescript[berry][ec]
\switchtotypeface [postscript][rm]

I think running Red Hat 8.0, with teTeX-1.0.7 with ConTeXt ver:
2002.1.28 is a reasonable thing to do. Most of the software packages I
run are older than that. One only runs the latest and greatest of
software one is especially interested in.

Regards, Simon

-- 
Simon Pepping
email: spepping@scaprea.hobby.nl

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* Re: Problems recompiling LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex
  2003-03-05 18:16   ` James J. Ramsey
@ 2003-03-05 21:55     ` Jens-Uwe Morawski
  2003-03-06  9:35       ` Jens-Uwe Morawski
  2003-03-06  9:53       ` Jens-Uwe Morawski
  2003-03-06  9:37     ` Maarten Sneep
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Jens-Uwe Morawski @ 2003-03-05 21:55 UTC (permalink / raw)


On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:16:40 -0800 (PST)
"James J. Ramsey" <jjramsey_6x9eq42@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> --- Jens-Uwe Morawski <morawski@gmx.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:45:24 -0800 (PST)
> > "James J. Ramsey" <jjramsey_6x9eq42@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > I think I may
> > have
> > > smoked out some problems with my ConTeXt
> > installation
> > > in the process. I'm running Red Hat 8.0, with
> > > teTeX-1.0.7.
> > 
> > i would prefer an update at least to TEXLive7
> > and the current ConTeXt
> 
> Easier said than done on most Linux distros. teTeX is
> "standard equipment" on many of them, and often a
> dependency.

- install TeXLive in /opt/TeXlive/; don't let the installer
   create symbolic links for the binaries and don't install
   the ConTeXT from TEXLive
- install ConTeXT in /opt/ConTeXT/texmf/ (don't forget to
   build a ls-R database there) 

- create a directory /opt/ConTeXt/bin, go there and run
  for PL in `ls ../texmf/context/perltk/*.pl`; do ln -s $PL `basename $PL .pl`; done

- go to /opt/ConTeXt/texmf/context/perltk/ and check whether
  the *.pl files have mode 755 (rwxr-xr-x); if not run
  chmod 755 *.pl

- find texmf.cnf in /opt/TeXLive (usually at
   /opt/TeXLive/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf) make a copy (texmf.cnf.ori)
  and edit the texmf.cnf:

  (a) add: TEXMFCONTEXT=/opt/ConTeXt/texmf
  (b) change
     TEXMF={$HOMETEXMF,!!$VARTEXMF,$TEXMFLOCAL,!!$TEXMFMAIN}
      to
     TEXMF={$HOMETEXMF,$TEXMFCONTEXT,!!$VARTEXMF,$TEXMFLOCAL,!!$TEXMFMAIN}

- create a file /etc/profile.d/texlive.sh with following content
  
     PATH=/opt/ConTeXt/bin:/opt/TeXLive/bin/i386-linux:$PATH
     TEXMFCNF="/opt/TeXLive/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf"
     export TEXMFCNF

- re-login or refresh your profile (source /etc/profile in bash or bash --login),
    so that profile changes take effect. done. No need
    to uninstall the distro's teTeX. It will simply not used anymore.
 
> > 
> > > What is going on?
> > 
> > find the file cont-sys.tex and uncomment the lines
> >  \setupencoding [\s!default=ec]
> >  \usetypescript [berry] [\defaultencoding]
> 
> That didn't work. I get this complaint:
> 
> ! Undefined control sequence.
> <argument> \s
>               !default=ec

Hmm, it's working here. Maybe Hans knows...
You can try \setupencoding[default=ec], but i believe
the \s! has a meaning there so NO WARRANTY :) 

But easier, change
\usetypescript [berry] [\defaultencoding]
to
\usetypescript [berry] [ec]

> > if this still does not work since font utmr8r etc.
> > is
> > not found 
> 
> Yeah, I do not have that font. Oddly enough, I do have
> the files utmr8a.pfb and utmr8a.afm, but no utmr8r.

utmr8r is not a PostScript Type1 font, it's a TeX font.
So, look for utmr8r.tfm (raw TeX font) or for utmr8t.tfm
(T1 aka ec encoded TeX font).

 
> > then you should install an up-to-date TeX
> > distribution
> 
> As I said, easier said than done.

see above

Jens

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* Re: Problems recompiling LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex
  2003-03-05 20:25 ` Simon Pepping
@ 2003-03-05 22:26   ` James J. Ramsey
  2003-03-06 20:44     ` Simon Pepping
  2003-03-05 23:03   ` Jens-Uwe Morawski
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: James J. Ramsey @ 2003-03-05 22:26 UTC (permalink / raw)



--- Simon Pepping <spepping@scaprea.hobby.nl> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 08:45:24AM -0800, James J.
> Ramsey wrote:
>                                             
> I think you need to add the following lines of code:
> 
> \setupencoding[default=ec]
> \usetypescript [serif] [times]    
> [\defaultencoding]
> \usetypescript [sans]  [helvetica]
> [\defaultencoding]
> \usetypescript [mono]  [courier]  
> [\defaultencoding]
> \usetypescript [berry] [\defaultencoding]

The above didn't quite work. LaTeX2ConTeXt compiled
without errors, but the fonts were all Computer
Modern. In addition, the sections of the document
showing samples of LaTeX and ConTeXt markup had the
characters '\', '{', and '}' replaced with '"', '-',
and '', respectively.

> Alternatively, you can use the following lines of
> code, which achieve
> the same thing:
> 
> \usetypescript[postscript] [ec]
> \usetypescript[berry][ec]
> \switchtotypeface [postscript][rm]

For some reason, the above works just fine.


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* Re: Problems recompiling LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex
  2003-03-05 20:25 ` Simon Pepping
  2003-03-05 22:26   ` James J. Ramsey
@ 2003-03-05 23:03   ` Jens-Uwe Morawski
  2003-03-06 20:35     ` Simon Pepping
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Jens-Uwe Morawski @ 2003-03-05 23:03 UTC (permalink / raw)


On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:25:04 +0100
Simon Pepping <spepping@scaprea.hobby.nl> wrote:


> I think running Red Hat 8.0, with teTeX-1.0.7 with ConTeXt ver:
> 2002.1.28 is a reasonable thing to do. Most of the software packages I
> run are older than that. One only runs the latest and greatest of
> software one is especially interested in.

Hmm, aren't you interested in ConTeXt? ;-)
The real question: would you like that people ask/bother you
about bugs and missing features of DocBookInConTeXt that are
already fixed or implemented. I'm sure your answer is: No. So,
why use an old ConTeXt if Hans spends so much time to improve it.
Why use an old and buggy pdftex that is shipped with RedHat's
teTeX? Why use a TeX system that does not support real (no ae tricks)
8-bit (T1) ComputerModern fonts ? I see no reason.

jm2c

Jens

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* Re: Problems recompiling LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex
  2003-03-05 21:55     ` Jens-Uwe Morawski
@ 2003-03-06  9:35       ` Jens-Uwe Morawski
  2003-03-06  9:53       ` Jens-Uwe Morawski
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Jens-Uwe Morawski @ 2003-03-06  9:35 UTC (permalink / raw)


On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:55:11 +0100
Jens-Uwe Morawski <morawski@gmx.net> wrote:


> - create a file /etc/profile.d/texlive.sh with following content
>   
>      PATH=/opt/ConTeXt/bin:/opt/TeXLive/bin/i386-linux:$PATH
>      TEXMFCNF="/opt/TeXLive/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf"
>      export TEXMFCNF

Uups sorry, it should be:

PATH=/opt/ConTeXt/bin:/opt/TeXLive/bin/i386-linux:$PATH
MANPATH=/opt/TeXLive/man/:`manpath`
TEXMFCNF=/opt/TeXLive/texmf/web2c
export MANPATH TEXMFCNF


and where i've said "done", not all is done. You still have to
generate the ConTeXt format files.
Thus, go in /opt/ConTeXt/texmf/context/config/
copy texexec.rme to texexec.ini and generate the formats

texexec --make --language=en en 
texexec --make metafun 
texexec --make mptopdf

or what else is needed.
 
Jens

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* Re: Problems recompiling LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex
  2003-03-05 18:16   ` James J. Ramsey
  2003-03-05 21:55     ` Jens-Uwe Morawski
@ 2003-03-06  9:37     ` Maarten Sneep
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Maarten Sneep @ 2003-03-06  9:37 UTC (permalink / raw)


On Wednesday 05 March 2003 19:16, you wrote:
> --- Jens-Uwe Morawski <morawski@gmx.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:45:24 -0800 (PST)
> > "James J. Ramsey" <jjramsey_6x9eq42@yahoo.com>
> > > I'm running Red Hat 8.0, with
> > > teTeX-1.0.7.
> >
> > i would prefer an update at least to TEXLive7
> > and the current ConTeXt
>
> Easier said than done on most Linux distros. teTeX is
> "standard equipment" on many of them, and often a
> dependency.

Oh no, it's easy, I replaced it on SuSE. Here are the steps:

Forget about rpm, just pretend tht everything is there. Make sure you are a 
priviledged user.

1) remove /usr/share/texmf (or wherever RetHat puts it).
2) install TeXLive 7 (or wait till 8 comes out) in /usr/share/TeX
3) find out where the executable lives (which tex)
4) replace all symlinks in that directory with symlinks to the binaries of 
TeXLive.
5) add a symlink to you new main texmf tree in /usr/share/texmf

The other packages should see no difference. A package manager is fine, but 
if you want to have an advanced tex (current tex), you should not rely on 
RedHat or SuSe. Both seem to downgrade tex more and more, and favour 
OpenOffice, since that is what point-and-click users expect. I get the same 
rash from either OpenOffice or MS Office, so I guess this doesn't really 
apply to the part of the demographics subscribed to this list.

Cheers (sorry for the rant)

Maarten

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* Re: Problems recompiling LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex
  2003-03-05 21:55     ` Jens-Uwe Morawski
  2003-03-06  9:35       ` Jens-Uwe Morawski
@ 2003-03-06  9:53       ` Jens-Uwe Morawski
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Jens-Uwe Morawski @ 2003-03-06  9:53 UTC (permalink / raw)


On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:55:11 +0100
Jens-Uwe Morawski <morawski@gmx.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:16:40 -0800 (PST)
> "James J. Ramsey" <jjramsey_6x9eq42@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Easier said than done on most Linux distros. teTeX is
> > "standard equipment" on many of them, and often a
> > dependency.
> 
> - install TeXLive in /opt/TeXlive/; don't let the installer
>    create symbolic links for the binaries and don't install
>    the ConTeXT from TEXLive

Uups again, the directory name should be
/opt/TeXLive
in order to match the following installation instructions.

Jens

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* Re: Problems recompiling LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex
  2003-03-05 23:03   ` Jens-Uwe Morawski
@ 2003-03-06 20:35     ` Simon Pepping
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Simon Pepping @ 2003-03-06 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw)


On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 12:03:54AM +0100, Jens-Uwe Morawski wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:25:04 +0100
> Simon Pepping <spepping@scaprea.hobby.nl> wrote:
> 
> 
> > I think running Red Hat 8.0, with teTeX-1.0.7 with ConTeXt ver:
> > 2002.1.28 is a reasonable thing to do. Most of the software packages I
> > run are older than that. One only runs the latest and greatest of
> > software one is especially interested in.
> 
> Hmm, aren't you interested in ConTeXt? ;-)

I am still to install this week's version; does that make me fail? ;-)

> The real question: would you like that people ask/bother you
> about bugs and missing features of DocBookInConTeXt that are
> already fixed or implemented. I'm sure your answer is: No. So,
> why use an old ConTeXt if Hans spends so much time to improve it.
> Why use an old and buggy pdftex that is shipped with RedHat's
> teTeX? Why use a TeX system that does not support real (no ae tricks)
> 8-bit (T1) ComputerModern fonts ? I see no reason.

I see very good reasons. For an average user a computer installation
is a utility. He does not spend his time on learning lots about this
or that piece of software, like we do. Perhaps he spends his time
singing, or writing stories, or annoying his wife, or whatever. That
is why Thomas Esscher, RedHat, Debian etc. do their useful work:
package all that stuff into an integrated, configured distribution, so
that an average user can use it without hesitation to write his songs
or his hatemail or whatever he does with it. Did you notice that many
developers run MS Windows because they are not interested in the setup
problems that a Linux distribution presents (more so in the past)?
Like all the other users, they want to do their own stuff, without
having to spend a lot of time on the utilities.

I believe that a community is bound to the software that has been
released as stable, certainly if it has gone into widely used
distributions. Of course, older versions do not support new features,
and the more so with rapidly developing software. But apart from such
new features, I do not think it is right to say to a user: Oh, but
that version is a year old, you should upgrade now. An average user
upgrades when he buys a new distro.

I think the TeX world has had rather bad behaviour in this
respect. Too many people have thought that if wizards could give you
the right answer, then all was well. It is not. We should aim to
develop and package software that installs well, runs well, is clear
and understandable in its usage instructions. TeTeX, fptex, TeXLive
and MikTeX have done tremendously good work. 10 years ago it required
strong knowledge to set up a working TeX installation. These days most
users can do it.

Regards, Simon

-- 
Simon Pepping
email: spepping@scaprea.hobby.nl

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* Re: Problems recompiling LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex
  2003-03-05 22:26   ` James J. Ramsey
@ 2003-03-06 20:44     ` Simon Pepping
  2003-03-06 23:33       ` James J. Ramsey
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Simon Pepping @ 2003-03-06 20:44 UTC (permalink / raw)


On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 02:26:51PM -0800, James J. Ramsey wrote:
> 
> --- Simon Pepping <spepping@scaprea.hobby.nl> wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 08:45:24AM -0800, James J.
> > Ramsey wrote:
> >                                             
> > I think you need to add the following lines of code:
> > 
> > \setupencoding[default=ec]
> > \usetypescript [serif] [times]    
> > [\defaultencoding]
> > \usetypescript [sans]  [helvetica]
> > [\defaultencoding]
> > \usetypescript [mono]  [courier]  
> > [\defaultencoding]
> > \usetypescript [berry] [\defaultencoding]
> 
> The above didn't quite work. LaTeX2ConTeXt compiled
> without errors, but the fonts were all Computer
> Modern. In addition, the sections of the document
> showing samples of LaTeX and ConTeXt markup had the
> characters '\', '{', and '}' replaced with '"', '-',
> and '', respectively.

I think I forgot the command to activate the new fonts: \rm. Anyway,
if the lines below work, it is OK.
 
> > Alternatively, you can use the following lines of
> > code, which achieve
> > the same thing:
> > 
> > \usetypescript[postscript] [ec]
> > \usetypescript[berry][ec]
> > \switchtotypeface [postscript][rm]
> 
> For some reason, the above works just fine.

You sound quite surprised. I believe context's font management is
quite robust. The problem is in the typescripts. There are many of
them, and they only work if they are used in the right
combinations. And there is insufficient documentation of those
combinations. The above postscript typescript and its relatives, with
the typeface definitions in them, are a good step towards integration
of the right combination of typescripts.

Regards, Simon

-- 
Simon Pepping
email: spepping@scaprea.hobby.nl

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* Re: Problems recompiling LaTeX2ConTeXt.tex
  2003-03-06 20:44     ` Simon Pepping
@ 2003-03-06 23:33       ` James J. Ramsey
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: James J. Ramsey @ 2003-03-06 23:33 UTC (permalink / raw)


--- Simon Pepping <spepping@scaprea.hobby.nl> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 02:26:51PM -0800, James J.
> Ramsey wrote:

> > > \usetypescript[postscript] [ec]
> > > \usetypescript[berry][ec]
> > > \switchtotypeface [postscript][rm]
> > 
> > For some reason, the above works just fine.
> 
> You sound quite surprised. 

Considering that I started this thread because a
documented font command, \setupbodyfont[ber,pos],
barfed on me, I think I have a right to be surprised.
:-)


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