Double bar means hyphen?

Double bar means hyphen?

[John Culleton]

In some of the sample texts that come with Context (Zapf etc.) the double bar 
is used to indicate a hyphen, perhaps an unbreakable hyphen. In pdftex it 
translated to an em? dash instead.

Is this combination documented somewhere?  ||
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John Culleton
Able Typesetters and Indexers

Re: Double bar means hyphen?

[Phil Rooke]

> Is this combination documented somewhere?  ||


There is some discussion in the reference manual Section 7.8 p. 133

Re: Double bar means hyphen?

[wmcclain]

On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:31:41 -0400
John Culleton <john@wexfordpress.com> wrote:

> In some of the sample texts that come with Context (Zapf etc.) the
> double bar is used to indicate a hyphen, perhaps an unbreakable
> hyphen. In pdftex it translated to an em? dash instead.
> 
> Is this combination documented somewhere?  ||

The default is supposed to be an en-dash, but this can be changed. See
section 7.8 "Composed words" in "ConTeXt the Manual".

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Re: Double bar means hyphen?

[Ed L Cashin]

On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 02:50:53PM -0500, wmcclain@salamander.com wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:31:41 -0400
> John Culleton <john@wexfordpress.com> wrote:
> 
> > In some of the sample texts that come with Context (Zapf etc.) the
> > double bar is used to indicate a hyphen, perhaps an unbreakable
> > hyphen. In pdftex it translated to an em? dash instead.
> > 
> > Is this combination documented somewhere?  ||
> 
> The default is supposed to be an en-dash, but this can be changed. See
> section 7.8 "Composed words" in "ConTeXt the Manual".

I always use explicit hyphen like this:

  Don't second|-|guess me.

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Re: Double bar means hyphen?

[Adam Lindsay]

The character is a compoundhyphen, actually created by mashing two
hyphens together. Look at the definition in supp-lan.tex.
It really doesn't work well in certain fonts where the hyphen is subtly
shaped.

cheers,
adam

John Culleton said this at Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:31:41 -0400:

>In some of the sample texts that come with Context (Zapf etc.) the
double bar 
>is used to indicate a hyphen, perhaps an unbreakable hyphen. In pdftex it 
>translated to an em? dash instead.
>
>Is this combination documented somewhere?  ||
>-- 
>John Culleton
>Able Typesetters and Indexers
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Re: Double bar means hyphen?

[Adam Lindsay]

Ed L Cashin said this at Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:12:13 -0400:

>I always use explicit hyphen like this:
>
>  Don't second|-|guess me.

If it really is always, you can save a little effort with:

\setuphyphenmark[sign=-]

(This relates to an issue I mentioned earlier: anyone notice how these
compound word marks *don't* interact well with font handling/hanging?)

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Re: Double bar means hyphen?

[Hans Hagen]

At 23:21 13/06/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>Ed L Cashin said this at Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:12:13 -0400:
>
> >I always use explicit hyphen like this:
> >
> >  Don't second|-|guess me.
>
>If it really is always, you can save a little effort with:
>
>\setuphyphenmark[sign=-]
>
>(This relates to an issue I mentioned earlier: anyone notice how these
>compound word marks *don't* interact well with font handling/hanging?)

yes, sometimes they are boxed thingies and they don't hang; for this the 
concept of hanging should be extended (something \hangme {left} {right} 
{material}); i discussed this long ago with thanh but it didn't (yet) end 
up in pdftex -)

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Re: Double bar means hyphen?

[Adam T. Lindsay]

[this is going to bounce, because I'm posting from my travel account.
forward only if you feel it necessary]

Hans Hagen said this at Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:57:13 +0200:

>>\setuphyphenmark[sign=-]
>>
>>(This relates to an issue I mentioned earlier: anyone notice how these
>>compound word marks *don't* interact well with font handling/hanging?)
>
>yes, sometimes they are boxed thingies and they don't hang; for this the 

_Sometimes_? Is there any way of choosing a compound word mark that isn't
a box (along the lines of the above)?

>concept of hanging should be extended (something \hangme {left} {right} 
>{material}); i discussed this long ago with thanh but it didn't (yet) end 
>up in pdftex -)

Okay, thanks for the explanation!
adam