From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/15770 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Matt Gushee Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Problems with left and right Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:15:59 -0600 Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Message-ID: <20040724071558.GE11496@swordfish> References: <20040723191957.GA11496@swordfish> <41020125.3040307@wxs.nl> Reply-To: Matt Gushee , mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1090653375 4755 80.91.224.253 (24 Jul 2004 07:16:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sat Jul 24 09:16:06 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BoGlK-0006Fr-00 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:16:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A409E12788; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:16:05 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18058-02; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:16:03 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A166B1277E; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:16:02 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BE81277E for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:16:01 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17963-04 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:16:01 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mz1.forethought.net (unknown [216.241.36.12]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4821277C for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:16:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [216.241.35.41] (helo=swordfish) by mz1.forethought.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BoGlE-0001cq-39 for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:16:00 -0600 Original-Received: from matt by swordfish with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BoGlD-00047n-00 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:15:59 -0600 Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41020125.3040307@wxs.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:15770 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:15770 On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 11:26:45PM -0700, Hans Hagen Outside wrote: > > > >I have noticed a couple of cases where ConTeXt macros seem to have > >confused left and right sides: First of all, thanks for your quick reply! > forthermore, think of right as raggedright And left as ... raggedleft? Anyway, I gather you're saying that the behavior I've observed is correct. E.g.: [align=left] [align=right] abc foo, bar, baz de dum-da-dum-da-dummmmm fghijkl tweedledee With all due respect, I don't see how that makes any sense. In common English usage, left-aligned means the text is set against the left edge, and right-aligned means the text is set against the right edge. I can't imagine Dutch or other European languages are very different in that respect (though I've been known to guess wrong about languages). Furthermore, this usage of 'align=' is inconsistent with some other things in ConTeXt, such as \rightaligned, which behaves as I would expect it to. > > >2) In order to format format headers for a book so that the book title > > appears on the left-hand page and the section title on the right, I > > had to do this: > > > > \setupheadertexts [] [section] [title] [] > > > > ... which, as I read the documentation, is in the opposite order to > > what it should be. > > > >Is this a bug in ConTeXt, or have I misconfigured something? > > > > > no, think of spreads You mean page spreads? Like this? +----------------+----------------+ | | | | even- | odd- | | numbered | numbered | | page | page | | | | +----------------+----------------+ That's exactly what I was already thinking of, and it doesn't make sense: COMMAND: \setupheadertexts [] [section] [title] [] RESULT: +--------------------+--------------------+ | | <section> | | | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------------+--------------------+ If you say there's a logical explanation for this, then I believe you. I still maintain it's really counterintuitive and likely to cause confusion. And if so, aren't you making extra work for yourself (because you have to explain it)? Or is it just me? -- Matt Gushee When a nation follows the Way, Englewood, Colorado, USA Horses bear manure through mgushee@havenrock.com its fields; http://www.havenrock.com/ When a nation ignores the Way, Horses bear soldiers through its streets. --Lao Tzu (Peter Merel, trans.)