From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/15904 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paulo Ney de Souza Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Re: Best source of ConTeXt documentation? Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Message-ID: <200408022313.i72NDkpC006902@blue1.Math.Berkeley.EDU> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1091488456 13047 80.91.224.253 (2 Aug 2004 23:14:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Aug 03 01:14:02 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Brm0I-0001dJ-00 for ; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 01:14:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28152127E2; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 01:14:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21776-01; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 01:13:56 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290CA127DC; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 01:13:56 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81AA1127DC for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 01:13:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21221-06 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 01:13:53 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail.math.berkeley.edu (unknown [169.229.58.57]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7D4127DB for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 01:13:53 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from blue1.Math.Berkeley.EDU (IDENT:3217@blue1.Math.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.58.58]) by mail.math.berkeley.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i72NDpm9012265 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:13:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from desouza@math.berkeley.edu) Original-Received: (from desouza@localhost) by blue1.Math.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/Submit) id i72NDkpC006902 for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:15904 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:15904 >From ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon Aug 2 08:46:53 2004 >From: "Patrick Gundlach" >To: ntg-context@ntg.nl >Subject: [NTG-context] Re: Best source of ConTeXt documentation? > >Oh come on, this is completely crap. The people at PRAGMA (i.e. Hans) >share ConTeXt, wich is the holy grail that PRAGMA is based on >(besides the knowledge). It is such a generous gift to the community. >Please think about if you write stuff like that. I realize better that you do Hans contibutions to the Open Source community and I never complained about the sharing of ConTeXt, which is indeed the best typesetting system I have seen. You are taking my comment into a completely different context, pun not intended! >You are right, that not all (only few) manuals are available in .tex >format. See pdftex manual and the magazines. Putting source >code online needs time, a lot of time. Source code needs to get >documented. And I don't know Hans very well, but I'd guess that his >day only has 24h. > >There are already some styles in the ConTeXt wiki. And there are >styles that come with the distribution. The discussion is not about styles, it is about examples and how-to. >Why reverse-engineer? Just cook up the style you want. If you have >questions doing this, ask on the ConTeXt list. If you are ready, put >the style onto the Wiki. The styles at pragma are very good, but >definitely not the only way to go. Making a good style is not >copy/paste. It is a matter of experience. Experience is something you >have to gain yourself. We are not talking about experience and or copy/paste, if you are assuming that I don't have the experience or that the guy that posted the initial message wants to copy and paste, again you are on the wrong track. >And yes, it is time for us to put examples online. But the ConTeXt >community is still rather small. So there won't be many results in a >short time. I certainly will welcome the day we have a minimal how-to posted in there. >You can do the first step. Go to the wiki, edit a page that states >your questions regarding style development. Put a table of contents >or something similar there, which steps you would like to see, which >things you would like to have explained and so on. After that "we" >(the more experienced ConTeXt users) can fill in the gaps. And >finally we all have a small manual on style design. This is much >better than being so aggressive on the unwillingness to share source. > >Patrick I'll give it a try, the wiki is certainly the way to go ... Paulo Ney