From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/15949 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Zeljko Vrba Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: ConTeXt vs. LaTeX Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:58:48 +0200 Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Message-ID: <20040804165848.GA10304@fly.srk.fer.hr> References: <4110EDAF.9070508@email.si> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1091638745 9415 80.91.224.253 (4 Aug 2004 16:59:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Wed Aug 04 18:58:54 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BsP6L-0004Bo-00 for ; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 18:58:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5869A12772; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:58:53 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00658-03; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:58:52 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF4C1276C; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:58:51 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C0D1276C for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:58:50 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00521-07 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:58:49 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from fly.srk.fer.hr (unknown [161.53.74.66]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDF21276B for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:58:49 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from fly.srk.fer.hr (mordor@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fly.srk.fer.hr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74Gwmcf013182 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:58:49 +0200 (MEST) Original-Received: (from mordor@localhost) by fly.srk.fer.hr (8.12.10/8.12.2/Submit) id i74GwmuJ013178 for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:58:48 +0200 (MEST) Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4110EDAF.9070508@email.si> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:15949 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:15949 On Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 04:07:43PM +0200, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > > I'm not sure if these are only the problems at the beginning (since I > have to look for almost any command I use) and would soon disappear or > would the general advice be "don't use ConTeXt if LaTeX suits your > needs". What are your opinions about that? > Being a Context user, I also miss some of nice default formatting of LaTeX. However, the need for some specific formatting which is weakly handled in LaTeX made me use Context and I never regret it. For example, automatic layout of text floating around figures. Or the possibility of typesetting text in columns (see my document prepared in Context at http://oss.unist.hr/~zvrba/spa.zip there I typeset text next to C code..) The best thing I find about Context is that everything I ever thought of (e.g. in one document I rotated the table 90 degrees to be parallel with long side of A4 paper and text flowed around the table) is nicely integrated in Context and there is no need for extra packages like in Latex. Some things are undocumented in 'official' manuals (e.g. \hyphenatedurl) but I found them easily by grepping through the code.. I settled myself on a style that fits the kind of documents I write and I reuse it from a single environment.. Sure I miss nice formatting of Latex (I find my own design rather spartane) and some packages (e.g. for typesetting the code, like vgrind) but the consistency and easiness of doing typesetting the Context-way (defining your own enumerations, 'theorems', headers/footers, placing figures and tables within text, page layout, etc..) outweighs those drawbacks.. My advice (though, it may not be very popular here) is to stick to Latex while it suits your needs. And this advice I would give for any kind of tool - why change it if it isn't broken? I learned Context because Latex didn't suit my needs (concrete example: for my diploma work, my mentor required that there must not be "Chapter" heading for each chapter.. If I put \chapter*, then it didn't appear in the table of contents.. the solution was dirty - copy the report class file to local directory and edit it.. however if such a simple problem has such a dirty solution, how could I cope with tougher problems? So I switched to Context and never use Latex any more..) I must say that the beginners manual is excellent and is almost everything you need.. For harder stuff, Hans and other TeX hackers on this list have been an invaluable (and quick - I was in a real hurry writing my diploma) help - THANKS GUYS!