Phonetic Symbols

Phonetic Symbols

[Bernd Militzer]

Hi all, 

are there phonetic symbols to use in ConTeXt?
like tipa for LaTeX

thanks for help


Bernd

Re: Phonetic Symbols

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> are there phonetic symbols to use in ConTeXt?
> like tipa for LaTeX

There's no ready module or encoding AFAIK.
But if you have the fonts (e.g. SIL fonts), perhaps have a look how
Adam addresses Unicode symbols: http://homepage.mac.com/atl/tex/


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Re: Phonetic Symbols

[Adam Lindsay]

Henning Hraban Ramm said this at Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:45:16 +0200:

>> are there phonetic symbols to use in ConTeXt?
>> like tipa for LaTeX
>
>There's no ready module or encoding AFAIK.
>But if you have the fonts (e.g. SIL fonts), perhaps have a look how
>Adam addresses Unicode symbols: http://homepage.mac.com/atl/tex/

Nothing phonetic up there yet, but I sent a starting module & encoding to
the list a couple weeks ago prompted by Sjoerd's question about it. I
haven't pursued it further (it needs a lot more work!) b/c I haven't
received any feedback on how it wants to be used.

Bernd, I'll forward the thing I've come up with off-list. It builds on
the TIPA fonts in the LaTeX package.

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Re: Phonetic Symbols

[John Culleton]

On Wednesday 23 June 2004 15:40, Adam Lindsay wrote:
> Henning Hraban Ramm said this at Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:45:16 +0200:
> >> are there phonetic symbols to use in ConTeXt?
> >> like tipa for LaTeX
> >
> >There's no ready module or encoding AFAIK.
> >But if you have the fonts (e.g. SIL fonts), perhaps have a look how
> >Adam addresses Unicode symbols: http://homepage.mac.com/atl/tex/
>
> Nothing phonetic up there yet, but I sent a starting module & encoding to
> the list a couple weeks ago prompted by Sjoerd's question about it. I
> haven't pursued it further (it needs a lot more work!) b/c I haven't
> received any feedback on how it wants to be used.
>
> Bernd, I'll forward the thing I've come up with off-list. It builds on
> the TIPA fonts in the LaTeX package.
>
> adam
This is a bit heretical I know but couldn't one just use a 
\font\foo=nameoffont at 12pt
type statement? 

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Re: Phonetic Symbols

[Adam Lindsay]

John Culleton said this at Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:09:49 -0500:

>> Bernd, I'll forward the thing I've come up with off-list. It builds on
>> the TIPA fonts in the LaTeX package.
>>
>This is a bit heretical I know but couldn't one just use a 
>\font\foo=nameoffont at 12pt
>type statement? 

Wow, this was a blast from the past. 

Nothing wrong with that, as such, but I asked Sjoerd, the original
poster, about his use patterns. He actually didn't use the tipa encoding
shortcuts (the mapping of characters directly to glyphs in the fonts,
'@'), but rather the named glyphs (\textschwa). So I focussed on that at
first.

Now that I have learned a lot about ConTeXt's character system and
Unicode, I see a lot that I could have done differently. But then again,
it's also not the worst foundation for doing further work. (Such as
hooking it in with Unicode. I'd have to put the tip jar out in order to
take that on in the near future, though!)

John, why the sudden interest in a 6-month old post?

adam
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Re: Phonetic Symbols

[Nikolai Weibull]

* Adam Lindsay <atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk> [Dec 01, 2004 16:40]:
> > > Bernd, I'll forward the thing I've come up with off-list. It builds
> > > on the TIPA fonts in the LaTeX package.

> > This is a bit heretical I know but couldn't one just use a 
> > \font\foo=nameoffont at 12pt
> > type statement? 

> Wow, this was a blast from the past. 

> Nothing wrong with that, as such, but I asked Sjoerd, the original
> poster, about his use patterns. He actually didn't use the tipa encoding
> shortcuts (the mapping of characters directly to glyphs in the fonts,
> '@'), but rather the named glyphs (\textschwa). So I focussed on that at
> first.

> Now that I have learned a lot about ConTeXt's character system and
> Unicode, I see a lot that I could have done differently. But then again,
> it's also not the worst foundation for doing further work. (Such as
> hooking it in with Unicode. I'd have to put the tip jar out in order to
> take that on in the near future, though!)

> John, why the sudden interest in a 6-month old post?

Em, I don't want to push this too hard, but I'd be interested in a
Tipa work-alike (or something similar) for ConTeXt as well.  I'd
especially like the mapping part, rather than named glyphs, as it would
make more sense in the "source" of the document, for me at least.

Thanks for taking an interest in this Adam,
	nikolai

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Re: Phonetic Symbols

[Adam Lindsay]

Nikolai Weibull said this at Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:16:54 +0100:

>Em, I don't want to push this too hard, but I'd be interested in a
>Tipa work-alike (or something similar) for ConTeXt as well.  I'd
>especially like the mapping part, rather than named glyphs, as it would
>make more sense in the "source" of the document, for me at least.

Well, the mapping with the tipa fonts is pretty easy: for the 64 or so
most-used characters (alphanumeric++), Fukui-san put those characters
where they're accessible with normal keyboarding. That is, get the font
switch right, and you can type with the shorthand codes you know and
like. (Ekspl@"neIS@n)

No, the tricky bit is getting into the diacritics, modifiers, and all
those things. (eh, not all that tricky)
And then there's the tedious bit of handling all those characters in
unicode, then, ideally, creating an input regime for IPA to map to those
named glyphs.

So it's a bunch of tedious work that's sometimes hard to get "just right"
to do a proper job of it. But I'd say there's a 75%, workable solution in
place.

adam
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