Re: using fonts

Re: using fonts

[Adam Lindsay]

Wolfgang Zillig said this at Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:18:43 +0100:

>Adam Lindsay wrote:
>
>> But before that, TeX needs uplr8t.tfm to know how wide characters are so
>> it can put boxes in the right place.
>
>but where do I get the tfm or how to create them?

Good question. I'll throw it open to the list:
Metrics for the urw clone 35 used to be commonly found everywhere. Where
have they gone?

adam
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Re: using fonts

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi Adam,

> Good question. I'll throw it open to the list:
> Metrics for the urw clone 35 used to be commonly found everywhere. Where
> have they gone?

Do you have psnfss for LaTeX installed?

Patrick

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Re: Re: using fonts

[Wolfgang Zillig]

Hello Patrick,

I have installed the complete miktex distribution. I think it should be 
includedd there.

Wolfgang

Patrick Gundlach wrote:
> Hi Adam,
> 
> 
>>Good question. I'll throw it open to the list:
>>Metrics for the urw clone 35 used to be commonly found everywhere. Where
>>have they gone?
> 
> 
> Do you have psnfss for LaTeX installed?
> 
> Patrick
> 

Re: Re: using fonts

[Adam Lindsay]

Patrick Gundlach said this at Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:09:54 +0100:

>> Good question. I'll throw it open to the list:
>> Metrics for the urw clone 35 used to be commonly found everywhere. Where
>> have they gone?
>
>Do you have psnfss for LaTeX installed?

I guess I don't. gwTeX doesn't seem to throw it in there. (I reinstalled
prompted by your earlier Q.)

So where (e.g., on CTAN) would you point this person to?

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Re: using fonts

[Patrick Gundlach]

[...]

>>Do you have psnfss for LaTeX installed?
>
> I guess I don't. gwTeX doesn't seem to throw it in there. (I reinstalled
> prompted by your earlier Q.)
>
> So where (e.g., on CTAN) would you point this person to?

Good question, I just looked at CTAN. The sources are in
fonts/psfonts/psnfss-source, but have to be generated by a makefile,
wich needs some modification on my linux box.

Would it make sense to create the metrics and put the online?

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Re: Re: using fonts

[Wolfgang Zillig]

I got some info from the miktex forum:

the font: uplr8t is a replacement for the adobe font. The Adobe font is called 
pplr8t.tfm

So I still not for sure where the error comes from
- false font names
- missing font names

What do you think?

Wolfgang


Patrick Gundlach wrote:
> [...]
> 
> 
>>>Do you have psnfss for LaTeX installed?
>>
>>I guess I don't. gwTeX doesn't seem to throw it in there. (I reinstalled
>>prompted by your earlier Q.)
>>
>>So where (e.g., on CTAN) would you point this person to?
> 
> 
> Good question, I just looked at CTAN. The sources are in
> fonts/psfonts/psnfss-source, but have to be generated by a makefile,
> wich needs some modification on my linux box.
> 
> Would it make sense to create the metrics and put the online?
> 
> Patrick

Re: using fonts

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hello Wolfgang,

> I got some info from the miktex forum:
>
> the font: uplr8t is a replacement for the adobe font. The Adobe font
> is called pplr8t.tfm
>
> So I still not for sure where the error comes from
> - false font names
> - missing font names
>
> What do you think?

Well, I am out of sync with the problem. Did you try the things on the
wiki? What error messages do you get?

Patrick

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Re: using fonts

[Hans Hagen]

Adam Lindsay wrote:
> Wolfgang Zillig said this at Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:18:43 +0100:
> 
> 
>>Adam Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>
>>>But before that, TeX needs uplr8t.tfm to know how wide characters are so
>>>it can put boxes in the right place.
>>
>>but where do I get the tfm or how to create them?
> 
> 
> Good question. I'll throw it open to the list:
> Metrics for the urw clone 35 used to be commonly found everywhere. Where
> have they gone?

one time they were under urw, then under urw35, now back under urw if i'm right

Hans


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Re: using fonts

[Wolfgang Zillig]

with miktex there is a path C:\texmf\fonts\tfm\urw with some subfolders, but all 
of them are empty. For example Helvetica is located 
C:\texmf\fonts\tfm\adobe\helvetic and all files starting with "p".

I think that was the problem with selecting fonts on my system.

Wolfgang

Hans Hagen wrote:
> Adam Lindsay wrote:
> 
>> Wolfgang Zillig said this at Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:18:43 +0100:
>>
>>
>>> Adam Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> But before that, TeX needs uplr8t.tfm to know how wide characters 
>>>> are so
>>>> it can put boxes in the right place.
>>>
>>>
>>> but where do I get the tfm or how to create them?
>>
>>
>>
>> Good question. I'll throw it open to the list:
>> Metrics for the urw clone 35 used to be commonly found everywhere. Where
>> have they gone?
> 
> 
> one time they were under urw, then under urw35, now back under urw if 
> i'm right
> 
> Hans
> 
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Re: using fonts

[Adam Lindsay]

Wolfgang Zillig said this at Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:15:42 +0100:

>with miktex there is a path C:\texmf\fonts\tfm\urw with some subfolders,
>but all 
>of them are empty. For example Helvetica is located 
>C:\texmf\fonts\tfm\adobe\helvetic and all files starting with "p".
>
>I think that was the problem with selecting fonts on my system.

Sigh. me too.
This is a recent change in my distro, I think.
try adding this line:
\usetypescript[adobekb][ec]

This causes the mapping from ec-uplr8a:
\starttypescript [adobekb] [ec]
 \definefontsynonym [ec-uplr8a]     [pplr8t]  [encoding=ec]

...which you should have on your system.

Sorry (especially to Patrick!) for being misleading earlier. My head was
still in TeXLive mode.
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Re: using fonts

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi Adam,

[...]

> Sorry (especially to Patrick!) for being misleading earlier. My head was
> still in TeXLive mode.

Well, my head *is* in TeXLive mode. But TL 2003 (home). On garden I
use current tetex (garden). Both work fine with the adobekb
typescript. 


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Re: Re: using fonts

[Adam Lindsay]

Patrick Gundlach said this at Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:09:25 +0100:

>> Sorry (especially to Patrick!) for being misleading earlier. My head was
>> still in TeXLive mode.
>
>Well, my head *is* in TeXLive mode. But TL 2003 (home). On garden I
>use current tetex (garden). Both work fine with the adobekb
>typescript. 

Yeah, it was TL2003, I think, where I had all the urw tfms, which was
nice. I had my focus on the berry typescripts back then, not your
excellent adobekb work.
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Re: using fonts

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hello Wolfgang,

> I think I´mgetting confused with all of the font selection within context.

You are not the first one...

> First: I have a miktex environment on on W2K.

That should be OK for all needs.

> 1. to change single fonts:

see http://contextgarden.net/Psnfss

> \definetypeface [palatino] [rm] [serif] [palatino] [default] [encoding=ec]
> \switchtotypeface[palatino][12pt,rm]

I have never used \switchtotypeface.

> 2.
> I thought that the default encoding should be texnansi

This depends on your setup. See cont-sys.tex as a place where
defaultencoding is sometimes set.

> 3.
> should be there some font-switching macros on the system called
> font-xxx.tex (example font-lbr.tex)? These are missing on my system.
> I think these are needed forthings like:
> \setupbodyfont[lbr, sans, 12pt]

Well the font-xxx.tex files have nothing (not completely true) to do
with the font switching commands.

> 4.
> within miktex there are "lucida" font files from yandy (lbr.tfm
> ). Is that a free version of lucida-font?

No. There is no really free version of lucida. They once came with
staroffice and there was a script that was able to pull them out and
make them accessable for TeX. But I think that the quality is lower
than the original ones (once read a statement from Walter Schmit about
them, don't remember when and where) and math is not included.

> (is that for math? [there is anotherfile called math-lbt.tex in
> \context\base])

No math fonts like lucida for free.


> do I need to get the missing fonts/files and why are they not
> provided with miktex. Perhaps a change of the distribution is to
> prefer? (which one)

No, go ahead with MikTeX. Try out the stuff that is on the wiki and
please report on your success/failure.

> Is there a manual which explains how to change fonts (in a way that a
> normal user who is new to context can understand it)?

yes and no. See the wiki for links.

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Re: Re: using fonts

[Adam Lindsay]

Patrick Gundlach said this at Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:41:58 +0100:

>> \switchtotypeface[palatino][12pt,rm]
>
>I have never used \switchtotypeface.

\setuptypeface[palatino,12pt,rm]
is probably more appropriate here.
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