hyphenation not working

hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

I've noticed that hypenation is not working in my test ConTeXt
documents. I have looked repeatedly at the manual and searched the wiki.
It seems that hyphenations should be automatic?

I am testing simple files with the language as English. Does one have to
turn hyphenation on?

Paul

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Re: hyphenation not working

[Hans Hagen]

Paul Tremblay wrote:
> I've noticed that hypenation is not working in my test ConTeXt
> documents. I have looked repeatedly at the manual and searched the wiki.
> It seems that hyphenations should be automatic?
> 
> I am testing simple files with the language as English. Does one have to
> turn hyphenation on?

normally not, but there has been some changes in distributions; is there a 
hyphen.tex on your system?

Hans


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Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 10:03:50AM +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Paul Tremblay wrote:
> >I've noticed that hypenation is not working in my test ConTeXt
> >documents. I have looked repeatedly at the manual and searched the wiki.
> >It seems that hyphenations should be automatic?
> >
> >I am testing simple files with the language as English. Does one have to
> >turn hyphenation on?
> 
> normally not, but there has been some changes in distributions; is there a 
> hyphen.tex on your system?
> 

No, hyphen.tex is not on my system. 

Here is a list of any file that has the name 'hyphen' in it:

./lists/hyphen-base
./lists/hyphen-basque
./lists/hyphen-czechslovak
./lists/hyphen-dutch
./lists/hyphen-french
./lists/hyphen-german
./lists/hyphen-italian
./lists/hyphen-polish
./lists/hyphen-portuguese
./lists/hyphen-spanish
./lists/hyphen-ukenglish
./tex/generic/hyphen
./tex/generic/hyphen/hyphen.tex
./tex/generic/hyphen/czhyphen.ex
./tex/generic/hyphen/skhyphen.ex
./tex/generic/hyphen/ghyphen.README
./tex/generic/hyphen/ithyphen2.tex
./tex/generic/hyphen/ukhyphen.tex
./tpm/hyphen-base.tpm
./tpm/hyphen-basque.tpm
./tpm/hyphen-czechslovak.tpm
./tpm/hyphen-dutch.tpm
./tpm/hyphen-french.tpm
./tpm/hyphen-german.tpm
./tpm/hyphen-italian.tpm
./tpm/hyphen-polish.tpm
./tpm/hyphen-portuguese.tpm
./tpm/hyphen-spanish.tpm
./tpm/hyphen-ukenglish.tpm

I installed ConTexT using the TeXLive distribution, and then build
ConTeXt inside of that by unzipping the standard ConTeXt package.

Thanks

Paul



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Re: hyphenation not working

[Hans Hagen]

Paul Tremblay wrote:

> No, hyphen.tex is not on my system. 

it is ...

> ./tex/generic/hyphen/hyphen.tex

here !

> I installed ConTexT using the TeXLive distribution, and then build
> ConTeXt inside of that by unzipping the standard ConTeXt package.

in your context distribution, locate cont-usr.tex (or rme) and change the ushyp* 
name mentioned there to hyphen; otherwise copy hyphen.tex to ushyph1.tex and/or 
ushyph2.tex

(the latest context ships with a version of ctxtools that generates generic 
pattern files using the context naming scheme; see website for documentation)

Hans


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Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:06:14AM +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
> 
> >No, hyphen.tex is not on my system. 
> 
> it is ...
> 
> >./tex/generic/hyphen/hyphen.tex
> 
> here !
> 
> >I installed ConTexT using the TeXLive distribution, and then build
> >ConTeXt inside of that by unzipping the standard ConTeXt package.
> 
> in your context distribution, locate cont-usr.tex (or rme) and change the 
> ushyp* name mentioned there to hyphen; otherwise copy hyphen.tex to 
> ushyph1.tex and/or ushyph2.tex
> 
> (the latest context ships with a version of ctxtools that generates generic 
> pattern files using the context naming scheme; see website for 
> documentation)
> 

Neither thing worked. Here is a line from my log file:

82 hyphenation exceptions out of 1000

Thanks


Paul

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Re: hyphenation not working

[Hans Hagen]

Paul Tremblay wrote:

> Neither thing worked. Here is a line from my log file:
> 
> 82 hyphenation exceptions out of 1000

Here i have (with --all)

Beginning to dump on file cont-nl.fmt
  (format=cont-nl 2005.3.18)
38607 strings of total length 616144
473114 memory locations dumped; current usage is 200&469807
36070 multiletter control sequences
\font\nullfont=nullfont
0 words of font info for 0 preloaded fonts
210 hyphenation exceptions
Hyphenation trie of length 99454 has 4157 ops out of 35111
   117 for language 34
   31 for language 33
   13 for language 31
   31 for language 30
   7 for language 29
   26 for language 28
   21 for language 27
   29 for language 26
   181 for language 25
   224 for language 24
   207 for language 23
   220 for language 22
   265 for language 21
   127 for language 20
   60 for language 19
   181 for language 18
   71 for language 17
   71 for language 16
   248 for language 15
   248 for language 14
   63 for language 13
   63 for language 12
   194 for language 11
   194 for language 10
   19 for language 9
   35 for language 8
   35 for language 7
   235 for language 6
   235 for language 5
   88 for language 4
   88 for language 3
   265 for language 2
   265 for language 1
No pages of output.

Somewhere in your log, you should find remarks on what patterns are loaded,

an option is to download the beta version of context since that one tests for 
more names (there are quite some possibilities for us hyphenations) that yours

Hans

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hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

Has anyone else had problems with hyphenation? I have a brand new
version of ConTeXt, and cannot get one of its main features, hyphenation,
to work. 

I looked at the documentation, specifically the file called hypenation
patterns. According to this, I should be able to invoke a took called
ctxtools, or at least a tool called texmfstart ctxtools. Neither tool
exists with my distribution.

I do have a file called hyphen.tex. On Hans' suggestion, I copied this
to ushyph1.tex and ushyph2.tex. That didn't help. I also  changed my cont-usr.tex file, changing all lines that had ushyp* to hyphen. This also didn't work.

I am at a loss, and I consider hyphenation pretty important. How do I
proceed from here?

Thanks

Paul

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Re: hyphenation not working

[Hans Hagen]

Paul Tremblay wrote:
> Has anyone else had problems with hyphenation? I have a brand new
> version of ConTeXt, and cannot get one of its main features, hyphenation,
> to work. 
> 
> I looked at the documentation, specifically the file called hypenation
> patterns. According to this, I should be able to invoke a took called
> ctxtools, or at least a tool called texmfstart ctxtools. Neither tool
> exists with my distribution.
> 
> I do have a file called hyphen.tex. On Hans' suggestion, I copied this
> to ushyph1.tex and ushyph2.tex. That didn't help. I also  changed my cont-usr.tex file, changing all lines that had ushyp* to hyphen. This also didn't work.

did you run mktexlsr ?

> I am at a loss, and I consider hyphenation pretty important. How do I
> proceed from here?

another option is to fetch cont-pat.zip from our website and install that one in 
the same texmf tree as context; run mktexlsr, and regenerate the formats (with 
--all option)

i'd appreciate feedback about this working or not (since it's step 1 towards 
shipping context with its own instances of patterns)

Hans


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Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 10:05:36AM +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
> 
> Paul Tremblay wrote:
> >Has anyone else had problems with hyphenation? I have a brand new
> >version of ConTeXt, and cannot get one of its main features, hyphenation,
> >to work. 
> >
> >I looked at the documentation, specifically the file called hypenation
> >patterns. According to this, I should be able to invoke a took called
> >ctxtools, or at least a tool called texmfstart ctxtools. Neither tool
> >exists with my distribution.
> >
> >I do have a file called hyphen.tex. On Hans' suggestion, I copied this
> >to ushyph1.tex and ushyph2.tex. That didn't help. I also  changed my 
> >cont-usr.tex file, changing all lines that had ushyp* to hyphen. This also 
> >didn't work.
> 
> did you run mktexlsr ?
> 
> >I am at a loss, and I consider hyphenation pretty important. How do I
> >proceed from here?
> 
> another option is to fetch cont-pat.zip from our website and install that 
> one in the same texmf tree as context; run mktexlsr, and regenerate the 
> formats (with --all option)

Where is this? I just spent 20 minutes searching the website.

Paul
> 
> i'd appreciate feedback about this working or not (since it's step 1 
> towards shipping context with its own instances of patterns)
> 
> Hans
> 
> 
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Re: hyphenation not working

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi Paul,


>> another option is to fetch cont-pat.zip from our website and install that 
>> one in the same texmf tree as context; run mktexlsr, and regenerate the 
>> formats (with --all option)
>
> Where is this? I just spent 20 minutes searching the website.

http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/latest/cont-pat.zip

Patrick
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Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

> another option is to fetch cont-pat.zip from our website and install that 
> one in the same texmf tree as context; run mktexlsr, and regenerate the 
> formats (with --all option)
> 
> i'd appreciate feedback about this working or not (since it's step 1 
> towards shipping context with its own instances of patterns)

I downloaded the patterns file and unzipped it. It put the following
directory in my texmf directory:

.tex/context/patterns

I then ran texhash. I then ran ./mktexlsr --all.

I then ran texexec test.tex.

Still no hyphenation. 

My log file is below.

Thanks

Paul

This is pdfeTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3) (format=cont-en 2005.2.20)  18 MAR 2005 19:55
entering extended mode
 %&-line parsing enabled.
 (/usr/TeX/texmf/web2c/natural.tcx)
**&cont-en test.tex
(./test.tex

ConTeXt  ver: 2005.01.31  fmt: 2005.2.20  int: english  mes: english

language        : language en is active
<protectionstate 0>
system          : cont-new loaded
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
systems         : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex!
color           : palette rollover is available
system (E-TEX) : [line 878] 
system (E-TEX) : [line 933] 
)
system          : cont-old loaded
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-old.tex
loading         : Context Old Macros
)
system          : cont-fil loaded
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex
loading         : Context File Synonyms
)
system          : cont-sys loaded
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/user/cont-sys.tex
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-dis.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-akb.tex))
bodyfont        : 12pt rm is loaded
language        : patterns de->texnansi:texnansi->3->2:2 de->ec:ec->4->2:2 fr->
texnansi:texnansi->5->2:2 fr->ec:ec->6->2:2 es->default:default->7->2:2 it->tex
nansi:texnansi->8->2:2 it->ec:ec->9->2:2 nl->texnansi:texnansi->10->2:2 nl->ec:
ec->11->2:2 loaded
specials        : tex,postscript,rokicki loaded
\openout2 = `test.tui'.

system          : test.top loaded
(./test.top)
\openout0 = `test-mpgraph.mp'.

\openout0 = `mpgraph.mp'.

 (./test.tuo) (./test.tuo) (./test.tuo) (./test.tuo) (./test.tuo)
(./test.tuo) (./test.tuo) (./test.tuo) (./test.tuo) (./test.tuo) (./test.tuo)
(./test.tuo) (./test.tuo)
fonts           : using map file: texnansi-public-lm.map
fonts           : using map file: original-public-vnr.map
fonts           : using map file: original-public-csr.map
fonts           : using map file: original-public-plr.map
fonts           : using map file: original-public-lm.map
fonts           : using map file: original-ams-euler.map
fonts           : using map file: original-ams-cmr.map
fonts           : using map file: texnansi-base.map
fonts           : using map file: t5-base.map
fonts           : using map file: qx-base.map
fonts           : using map file: 8r-base.map
fonts           : using map file: ec-base.map
fonts           : using map file: ec-public-lm.map
fonts           : using map file: original-base.map
systems         : begin file test at line 12
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/page-run.tex
loading         : Context Page Macros / Runtime Macros
) (/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/sample/tufte.tex)
Overfull \hbox (2.48778pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 1--34
\*12ptmmmr* our marvelous and everyday capacity to select, edit,

\hbox(8.33331+2.33331)x256.07481, glue set - 1.0
.\*12ptmmmr* o
.\*12ptmmmr* u
.\*12ptmmmr* r
.\glue 3.91663 plus 1.95831 minus 1.30554
.\*12ptmmmr* m
.etc.


Overfull \hbox (16.65291pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 1--34
\*12ptmmmr* reduce, boil down, choose, categorize, catalog, classify,

\hbox(8.33331+2.33331)x256.07481, glue set - 1.0
.\*12ptmmmr* r
.\*12ptmmmr* e
.\*12ptmmmr* d
.\*12ptmmmr* u
.\*12ptmmmr* c
.etc.



(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/sample/knuth.tex [4.4])
Overfull \hbox (7.28357pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 12--34
[]\*12ptmmmr* But a system cannot be successful if it is too strongly

\hbox(8.33331+2.33331)x256.07481, glue set - 1.0
.\hbox(0.0+0.0)x0.0
.\*12ptmmmr* B
.\*12ptmmmr* u
.\*12ptmmmr* t
.\glue 3.91663 plus 1.95831 minus 1.30554
.etc.

A LOT OF OTHER OVERFILL MESSAGES WHICH I CUT OUT

[5.5] [6.6]
systems         : end file test at line 37
 ) 
Here is how much of TeX's memory you used:
 691 strings out of 62989
 11662 string characters out of 668839
 4464250 words of memory out of 5506310
 35404 multiletter control sequences out of 10000+50000
 10284 words of font info for 34 fonts, out of 1000000 for 2000
 82 hyphenation exceptions out of 1000
 39i,20n,52p,181b,433s stack positions out of 5000i,500n,6000p,200000b,40000s
 0 PDF objects out of 300000
 0 named destinations out of 131072
 1 words of extra memory for PDF output out of 65536

Output written on test.dvi (6 pages, 17272 bytes).

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Re: hyphenation not working

[Taco Hoekwater]

Paul Tremblay wrote:
>>another option is to fetch cont-pat.zip from our website and install that 
>>one in the same texmf tree as context; run mktexlsr, and regenerate the 
>>formats (with --all option)
>>
>>i'd appreciate feedback about this working or not (since it's step 1 
>>towards shipping context with its own instances of patterns)
> 
> 
> I downloaded the patterns file and unzipped it. It put the following
> directory in my texmf directory:
> 
> .tex/context/patterns
> 
> I then ran texhash. I then ran ./mktexlsr --all.

At this point, you missed a step:

  texexec --make


> I then ran texexec test.tex.
> 
> Still no hyphenation. 

Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 09:03:08AM +0100, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> >
> >I downloaded the patterns file and unzipped it. It put the following
> >directory in my texmf directory:
> >
> >.tex/context/patterns
> >
> >I then ran texhash. I then ran ./mktexlsr --all.
> 
> At this point, you missed a step:
> 
>  texexec --make
> 
> 

I just ran 

texexec --make

Same. No hyphenation. 

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

Paul

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Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

> 
> At this point, you missed a step:
> 
>  texexec --make

I re-ran the test and saved the output to a file. I opened the file and
saw this:

system (E-TEX) : [line 159] \ifcsname 
) (/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/lang-ger.tex
loading         : Germanic Languages
language        : patterns for nl not loaded
language        : patterns for en not loaded
language        : patterns for de not loaded
language        : patterns for da not loaded
language        : patterns for sv not loaded
language        : patterns for af not loaded
language        : patterns for no not loaded
language        : patterns for deo not loaded
language        : patterns for uk not loaded
language        : patterns for us not loaded
) (/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/lang-ita.tex
loading         : Italic Languages
language        : patterns for fr not loaded
language        : patterns for es not loaded
language        : patterns for ca not loaded
language        : patterns for it not loaded
language        : patterns for la not loaded
language        : patterns for pt not loaded
language        : patterns for ro not loaded
) (/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/lang-sla.tex
loading         : Slavic Languages
language        : patterns for pl not loaded
language        : patterns for cz not loaded
language        : patterns for sk not loaded
language        : patterns for hr not loaded
language        : patterns for sl not loaded
) (/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/lang-alt.tex




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Re: hyphenation not working

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi Paul,

All of this must be maddening you by now. :'(

> system (E-TEX) : [line 159] \ifcsname 
> ) (/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/lang-ger.tex
> loading         : Germanic Languages
> language        : patterns for nl not loaded
> language        : patterns for en not loaded

Mine does that as well, but somewhat deeper in the log file, it
restarts loading patterns, like this:


   (./cont-fmt.tex
   language        : patterns nl for nl loaded(n=1,e=texnansi,m=texnansi)
   (/home/taco/texmf/tex/context/patterns/lang-nl.pat)
   language        : hyphenations nl for nl loaded
   ...

culminating in :

   210 hyphenation exceptions
   Hyphenation trie of length 99454 has 4157 ops out of 35111
     117 for language 34
     31 for language 33
     ....<30 lines or so, counting down> ..
     265 for language 1


perhaps you also need to get the cont-tmf.zip from 'latest'? Mine has

ConTeXt  ver: 2005.03.16  fmt: 2005.3.19  int: english  mes: english


Good luck!

Taco

Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

> Mine does that as well, but somewhat deeper in the log file, it
> restarts loading patterns, like this:
> 
> 
>   (./cont-fmt.tex
>   language        : patterns nl for nl loaded(n=1,e=texnansi,m=texnansi)
>   (/home/taco/texmf/tex/context/patterns/lang-nl.pat)
>   language        : hyphenations nl for nl loaded
>   ...
> 
> culminating in :
> 
>   210 hyphenation exceptions
>   Hyphenation trie of length 99454 has 4157 ops out of 35111
>     117 for language 34
>     31 for language 33
>     ....<30 lines or so, counting down> ..
>     265 for language 1
> 
> 
> perhaps you also need to get the cont-tmf.zip from 'latest'? Mine has
> 
> ConTeXt  ver: 2005.03.16  fmt: 2005.3.19  int: english  mes: english
> 
> 

Yes, now that I look deeper down in my log file, I see the same. Oh
well. I guess I'll have to live without hyphenation. Just when I thought
I was getting somewhere.

Paul

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Re: hyphenation not working

[Adam Lindsay]

Paul Tremblay said this at Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:58:10 -0500:

>>   210 hyphenation exceptions
>>   Hyphenation trie of length 99454 has 4157 ops out of 35111
>>     117 for language 34
>>     31 for language 33
>>     ....<30 lines or so, counting down> ..
>>     265 for language 1
>> 
>> 
>> perhaps you also need to get the cont-tmf.zip from 'latest'? Mine has
>> 
>> ConTeXt  ver: 2005.03.16  fmt: 2005.3.19  int: english  mes: english
>> 
>> 
>
>Yes, now that I look deeper down in my log file, I see the same. Oh
>well. I guess I'll have to live without hyphenation. Just when I thought
>I was getting somewhere.

So if I understand what you're saying, that suggests you do have the
capability for hyphenation somewhere in your system. What is your test
file? Can you strip it to its barest form?

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Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

> So if I understand what you're saying, that suggests you do have the
> capability for hyphenation somewhere in your system. What is your test
> file? Can you strip it to its barest form?

Here is the entire file. Luckily, it is very small. 

Thanks

Paul


% enable utf
\enableregime[utf]

% turn off automatic page numbering
\setuppagenumbering[state=stop, way=bytext, alternative=doublesided]
%\setupbodyfont[rm,12pt]
%\setuplanguage[en][ state=start]
%\language[en]

%\setuptolerance[verytolerant]

\starttext

\setuppapersize[A4]
% show frames so we can debug
\showframe
\definelayout[test][
 backspace=50mm,
 cutspace=70mm,
 width=fit,
]



% so it is always a good idea to use width=fit

\setuplayout[test]
 \setupheadertexts[odd][][][even]


Test\par
% input text from another document
\dorecurse{6}{\input tufte \par \input knuth \par}


\stoptext




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Re: hyphenation not working

[Adam Lindsay]

Paul Tremblay said this at Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:20:10 -0500:

>> So if I understand what you're saying, that suggests you do have the
>> capability for hyphenation somewhere in your system. What is your test
>> file? Can you strip it to its barest form?
>
>Here is the entire file. Luckily, it is very small. 

That does show a fair bit of hyphenation, here. Taco says some wise
things, and here are a couple things to insert at the beginning of your
text that may help debug. (But, again, I'm no expert in this area.)


\the\hyphenpenalty % (50 on my system)

\showhyphenations{hypertextual}

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Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

> 
> That does show a fair bit of hyphenation, here. Taco says some wise
> things, and here are a couple things to insert at the beginning of your
> text that may help debug. (But, again, I'm no expert in this area.)
> 
> 
> \the\hyphenpenalty % (50 on my system)
> 
> \showhyphenations{hypertextual}
> 

I put these lines at the top of my file. My resulting dvi file shows
these lines:

50
language : en(code:1)
font : cmr12
encoding : default
mapping : default
sample : hypertextual

It seems that the hypen penalty is what it should be.

Paul

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Re: hyphenation not working

[Taco Hoekwater]

Paul Tremblay wrote:
 >
> Yes, now that I look deeper down in my log file, I see the same. Oh
> well. I guess I'll have to live without hyphenation. Just when I thought
> I was getting somewhere.

You are getting somewhere. The format files that have been created
by texexec in that last 'texexec --make' know how to hyphenate text.
There is only one job left to do: making it so that 'texexec test'
uses the right (new) format file (and not the old one). Without
exact log files, I doubt I can sort that out for you, but assuming
you ran 'texexec --make' today, then 'texexec -version' should
report the following date info:

    context : ver: 2005.03.16
    cont-en : ver: 2005.03.16  fmt: 2005.3.19  mes: english
    cont-nl : ver: 2005.03.16  fmt: 2005.3.19  mes: dutch

if not, some files need to be copied.

Good luck,

Taco

Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

> You are getting somewhere. The format files that have been created
> by texexec in that last 'texexec --make' know how to hyphenate text.
> There is only one job left to do: making it so that 'texexec test'
> uses the right (new) format file (and not the old one). Without
> exact log files, I doubt I can sort that out for you, but assuming
> you ran 'texexec --make' today, then 'texexec -version' should
> report the following date info:
> 
>    context : ver: 2005.03.16
>    cont-en : ver: 2005.03.16  fmt: 2005.3.19  mes: english
>    cont-nl : ver: 2005.03.16  fmt: 2005.3.19  mes: dutch
> 
> if not, some files need to be copied.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Taco

texexec --version:

texexec : TeXExec 5.2.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2004
               texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004
                   tex : pdfeTeXk, 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3)
               context : ver: 2005.01.31
               cont-en : ver: 2005.01.31  fmt: 2005.2.20  mes: english


Paul


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Re: hyphenation not working

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi Paul,

[...]

> texexec : TeXExec 5.2.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2004
>                texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004
>                    tex : pdfeTeXk, 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3)
>                context : ver: 2005.01.31
>                cont-en : ver: 2005.01.31  fmt: 2005.2.20  mes: english

So your format with the new patterns is not used. You generated the
format Feb. 20 and downloaded the patters a few days ago. 

What happens if you run 

texexec --make --alone

and copy the cont-en.fmt (or whatever it is called now) into the
'correct' path? Or leave it in the path that your test file is in and
try the \showhyphenations{hypertextual} again.

Patrick
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Re: Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

> 
> What happens if you run 
> 
> texexec --make --alone
> 
> and copy the cont-en.fmt (or whatever it is called now) into the
> 'correct' path? Or leave it in the path that your test file is in and
> try the \showhyphenations{hypertextual} again.
> 

Back from my rally. 

And, success! If I leave the cont-en.fmt file in the same directory as
I am running texeec, then I get hypenated text. So the goal is to move
it to my path. But where exactly is my path?

If I do a search for the cont-en.fmt file in texmf, I get:

./doc/man/man1/cont-en.1
./tex/context/base/cont-en.tex
./tex/context/config/cont-en.ini
./tex/context/interface/cont-en.xml
./context/data/cont-en-scite.properties
./cont-en.log
./cont-en.fmt

Thanks

Paul

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Re: hyphenation not working

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi Paul,

there should be some cont-en.fmt somewhere on your disk. Like
/usr/local/texmf/web2c/context/cont-en.fmt, but this is just a wild
guess. So you could copy your newly generated cont-en.fmt over the old
one.

Patrick

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Re: Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

Hi Patrick

On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 11:00:57PM +0100, Patrick Gundlach wrote:
> 
> there should be some cont-en.fmt somewhere on your disk. Like
> /usr/local/texmf/web2c/context/cont-en.fmt, but this is just a wild
> guess. So you could copy your newly generated cont-en.fmt over the old
> one.
> 

Okay. I was looking for it in /usr/TeX/texmf directory. It was in

/usr/TeX/texmf-var/web2c

So everything works fine now. I assume that future versions of ConTeXt
will install this file correctly? 

Paul

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Re: hyphenation not working

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hello Paul,


[...]

> So everything works fine now. 

Good to hear.

> I assume that future versions of ConTeXt will install this file
> correctly?

That should have been the case anyway. Can't tell you what went wrong.

Patrick
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Re: hyphenation not working

[Christopher Creutzig]

Hans Hagen wrote:
>> I do have a file called hyphen.tex. On Hans' suggestion, I copied this
>> to ushyph1.tex and ushyph2.tex. That didn't help. I also  changed my 
>> cont-usr.tex file, changing all lines that had ushyp* to hyphen. This 
>> also didn't work.
> 
> 
> did you run mktexlsr ?

  And in case that's unexpected: You need to run texexec --make, since 
patterns are loaded at format generation.


Christopher

Re: hyphenation not working

[Taco Hoekwater]

See also this threade:

http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20041228.225433.b0bd0faf.html

This is becoming a FAQ, unfortunately.

Greetings, Taco

Paul Tremblay wrote:
> Has anyone else had problems with hyphenation? I have a brand new
> version of ConTeXt, and cannot get one of its main features, hyphenation,
> to work. 
> 
> I looked at the documentation, specifically the file called hypenation
> patterns. According to this, I should be able to invoke a took called
> ctxtools, or at least a tool called texmfstart ctxtools. Neither tool
> exists with my distribution.
> 
> I do have a file called hyphen.tex. On Hans' suggestion, I copied this
> to ushyph1.tex and ushyph2.tex. That didn't help. I also  changed my cont-usr.tex file, changing all lines that had ushyp* to hyphen. This also didn't work.
> 
> I am at a loss, and I consider hyphenation pretty important. How do I
> proceed from here?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Paul
>