From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/19548 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Tremblay Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Re: page on context and XML has moved Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 05:41:26 -0400 Message-ID: <20050403094126.GA23924@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050403022405.GA8505@localhost.localdomain> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1112521210 12983 80.91.229.2 (3 Apr 2005 09:40:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 09:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sun Apr 03 11:40:05 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DI1aG-0001XC-Ga for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 11:39:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0163E12807; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:41:34 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 30628-05; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:41:31 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F018127DA; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:41:31 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04AF0127DA for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:41:29 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 30749-04 for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:41:28 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from rdsmtp.iglou.com (rdsmtp.iglou.com [192.107.41.63]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBC9127C0 for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:41:28 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [192.107.41.3] (helo=iglou1.iglou.com) by rdsmtp.iglou.com with esmtp (8.12.5/8.12.5) id 1DI1bj-0007WR-7Y for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 05:41:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [64.253.97.143] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by iglou1.iglou.com with esmtp (8.12.5/8.12.5) id 1DI1bj-0006nz-1S for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 05:41:27 -0400 Original-Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 501) id AA09D1BB72; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 05:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: context mailing list Mail-Followup-To: context mailing list Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:19548 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:19548 On Sun, Apr 03, 2005 at 10:13:22AM +0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote: > > But I have to say that I feel a bit sorry about your decision of > moving your pages to somewhere else. At the time before the wiki > existed there were (besides the documentation at PRAGMA ADE) several > web pages with some content (with very valuable information). But the > ConTeXt users didn't know about these pages (except for those reading > the mailinglist carefully). That is why I have started > contextgarden.net: to put all relevant documentation in one place. > Links have a tendency of dying. And the contents behind the links are > often outdated, because things (especially in the ConTeXt world) > change quickly. And I would not be surprised if this happens to your > page, too. And your information is too valuable to get lost or > unuseful. I'd suggest to keep the information at the wiki the next > time and/or write a myway and put the source and pdf on garden. > I agree with your point. In addition, the wiki pages offer the opportunity for others to give valuable feedback, easily, without having to post an email message. I am really going to miss having this feedback, since it helps me correct both small mistakes and major misconceptions in my documents. My decision was based on practicality, however. You can see already that my documents are very complicated, with many graphics and pieces of example code. I will be constantly changing the pages as I correct mistakes and learn more. I write my documents in XML and generate the HTML files from the XML. This allows me to automatically generate a TOC, keep my links fresh, and generate a detailed index. (I hope to get around to creating an index later.) I run a script to generate the html. I then use rsync to update my files at sourceforge.net. You can imagine how much more difficult it would be to do this with the wiki. Updating changes might take me 5 minutes through sourceforge. It would take me maybe a half an hour if I used the wiki, and even longer as my pages continue to grow. However, that doesn't stop me from creating a myway. (I assume a myway is a ConText document coupled with a PDF file.) I'll try to do this as soon as I have time. Thanks for your feedback Paul -- ************************ *Paul Tremblay * *phthenry@iglou.com * ************************