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* btex-etex
@ 2005-04-01  8:37 Jiri Polcar
  2005-04-01  9:24 ` btex-etex Patrick Gundlach
  2005-04-02 16:52 ` chancery font Ciro Soto
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Jiri Polcar @ 2005-04-01  8:37 UTC (permalink / raw)


    Hallo,

my ConTeXt ignore btex-etex command. It works as the btex-etex command
is empty. No text on output. Simple example:

    \starttext

    \startuseMPgraphic{test}
      picture p; p := btex TEST etex scaled 5cm;
      draw p; 
    \stopuseMPgraphic

    \useMPgraphic{test}

    \stoptext

On output is only page number. In the 'mpgraph.mp' is (if a skip some
definitions):

    ResetTextAreas ;
    SaveTextAreas ;
    ResetTextAreas ;
    if unknown context_core : input mp-core.mp ;
    fi ;
    local_multi_par_area:=false;
    ;;
    verbatimtex \global \loadfontfileoncetrue  etex;
    let mprunend = end ;
    beginfig(1);
    picture p;
    p := btex TEST etex
    scaled 5cm;
    draw p;
    endfig;
    let end = mprunend ;
    end.

If a extract a part with 

    beginfig(1);
    picture p;
    p :=  btex TEST etex;
    draw p;
    endfig;
    end.

and proccess it with mpost it works good. My ConTeXt comes from Fedora
Core 3 distribution. Any suggestion how to solve it?

--
JP

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* Re: btex-etex
  2005-04-01  8:37 btex-etex Jiri Polcar
@ 2005-04-01  9:24 ` Patrick Gundlach
  2005-04-01  9:49   ` btex-etex Jiri Polcar
  2005-04-02 16:52 ` chancery font Ciro Soto
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2005-04-01  9:24 UTC (permalink / raw)


Hello Jiri,

>     \starttext
>
>     \startuseMPgraphic{test}
>       picture p; p := btex TEST etex scaled 5cm;
>       draw p; 
>     \stopuseMPgraphic
>
>     \useMPgraphic{test}
>
>     \stoptext

The file works fine here. Except that only some part of the T is
visible (large scale factor).

Do you have write18 enabled? (<http://contextgarden.net/Texmf.cnf>)

Patrick
-- 
ConTeXt wiki: http://contextgarden.net

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* Re: Re: btex-etex
  2005-04-01  9:24 ` btex-etex Patrick Gundlach
@ 2005-04-01  9:49   ` Jiri Polcar
  2005-04-02  6:37     ` Taco Hoekwater
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Jiri Polcar @ 2005-04-01  9:49 UTC (permalink / raw)


On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 11:24:37AM +0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote:
> 
> The file works fine here. Except that only some part of the T is
> visible (large scale factor).
> 
> Do you have write18 enabled? (<http://contextgarden.net/Texmf.cnf>)

I set 

    shell_escape = t

in

    /usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf

Now I see in output of pdfeTeX:

    This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-1.10b-2.1 (Web2C 7.4.5)
     \write18 enabled.

Bud I do not see any TEXT in output.

--
JP

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* Re: Re: btex-etex
  2005-04-01  9:49   ` btex-etex Jiri Polcar
@ 2005-04-02  6:37     ` Taco Hoekwater
  2005-04-03  7:59       ` Jiri Polcar
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2005-04-02  6:37 UTC (permalink / raw)


Jiri Polcar wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 11:24:37AM +0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote:
> 
>>The file works fine here. Except that only some part of the T is
>>visible (large scale factor).

Same here (at least while generating pdf): I only see the left
side of the bottom serif of the T, because that is the only thing
that will fit on the page.

It is quite possible that your resulting characters exceed
some size limit in DVI mode. Try \setupoutput[pdftex]

In this case your "scaled 5cm" expands into "scaled 141.7":
the word test, scaled to 141.7 times it original size.


Taco

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* chancery font
  2005-04-01  8:37 btex-etex Jiri Polcar
  2005-04-01  9:24 ` btex-etex Patrick Gundlach
@ 2005-04-02 16:52 ` Ciro Soto
  2005-04-02 17:27   ` Idris Samawi Hamid
  2005-04-02 17:52   ` Willi Egger
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Ciro Soto @ 2005-04-02 16:52 UTC (permalink / raw)


When I try the commands \usetypescript, \setupbodyfont, etc,etc
I can't find the right combination of switches to make use of the Zapf
Chancery or Garamond fonts.
All other fonts work find (bookman, modern, palatino, etc).

I am using Linux/fedoraCore3, texlive2004, and:
TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
               texexec : TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
               texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004
                   tex : pdfeTeXk, 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3)
               context : ver: 2005.01.31
               cont-en : ver: 2005.01.31  fmt: 2005.2.28  mes: english

Please don't ask me to read the manuals, I've read them, but still ...
thank you...
Ciro

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* Re: chancery font
  2005-04-02 16:52 ` chancery font Ciro Soto
@ 2005-04-02 17:27   ` Idris Samawi Hamid
  2005-04-02 17:52   ` Willi Egger
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2005-04-02 17:27 UTC (permalink / raw)


Hi Ciro,

I don't know about Garamond (does it actually come with TeX/ConTeXt?) but 
there is an issue with Zapf in the latest ConTeXt; the tfm files are 
corrupted. Try the following (it worked for me, thank you Hans):

remake the metrics

texmfstart texfont.pl type-tmf.dat --en=texnansi --ven=urw -col=zapfchan

refresh fndb and then try

==========================
\definetypeface [zapf] [cg] [calligraphy] [chancery]
\switchtotypeface [zapf] [12pt,cg]

\starttext

Zapf Chancery

\input tufte.tex

\stoptext
==========================

Maybe Garamond has a similar problem (assuming the font is actually 
present on your system) and you can try the above with Garamond as well...

If Garamond is present, can you point me to its location, typescripts, 
etc? I'd like to try it...

Best
Idris


On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 11:52:36 -0500, Ciro Soto <cirosoto@gmail.com> wrote:

> When I try the commands \usetypescript, \setupbodyfont, etc,etc
> I can't find the right combination of switches to make use of the Zapf
> Chancery or Garamond fonts.
> All other fonts work find (bookman, modern, palatino, etc).
>
> I am using Linux/fedoraCore3, texlive2004, and:
> TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
>                texexec : TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
>                texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004
>                    tex : pdfeTeXk, 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3)
>                context : ver: 2005.01.31
>                cont-en : ver: 2005.01.31  fmt: 2005.2.28  mes: english
>
> Please don't ask me to read the manuals, I've read them, but still ...
> thank you...
> Ciro

-- 
Professor Idris Samawi Hamid
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523

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* Re: chancery font
  2005-04-02 16:52 ` chancery font Ciro Soto
  2005-04-02 17:27   ` Idris Samawi Hamid
@ 2005-04-02 17:52   ` Willi Egger
  2005-04-02 18:29     ` Ciro Soto
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Willi Egger @ 2005-04-02 17:52 UTC (permalink / raw)


Hi Ciro,

AFAIK chancery has no typeface associated. So you need to do that yourself

\usetypescript[chancery][texnansi]
\definetypeface 	 
[myfont][cg][calligraphy][chancery][default][encoding=texnansi]
\setupbodyfont[myfont,cg,12pt]


KR
Willi
Ciro Soto wrote:
> When I try the commands \usetypescript, \setupbodyfont, etc,etc
> I can't find the right combination of switches to make use of the Zapf
> Chancery or Garamond fonts.
> All other fonts work find (bookman, modern, palatino, etc).
> 
> I am using Linux/fedoraCore3, texlive2004, and:
> TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
>                texexec : TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
>                texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004
>                    tex : pdfeTeXk, 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3)
>                context : ver: 2005.01.31
>                cont-en : ver: 2005.01.31  fmt: 2005.2.28  mes: english
> 
> Please don't ask me to read the manuals, I've read them, but still ...
> thank you...
> Ciro
> _______________________________________________
> ntg-context mailing list
> ntg-context@ntg.nl
> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context

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* Re: chancery font
  2005-04-02 17:52   ` Willi Egger
@ 2005-04-02 18:29     ` Ciro Soto
  2005-04-02 19:21       ` Idris Samawi Hamid
  2005-04-03 19:41       ` h h extern
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Ciro Soto @ 2005-04-02 18:29 UTC (permalink / raw)


Idris solution didn't work. I got: 
TeXFont 2.2.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 2000-2004
processing aborted : unknown tex root

which seems to be an installation problem... 
BUT
Willi's solutions worked when I use encoding=ec (not texnansi)...
thank you
Ciro


On Apr 2, 2005 12:52 PM, Willi Egger <w.egger@boede.nl> wrote:
> Hi Ciro,
> 
> AFAIK chancery has no typeface associated. So you need to do that yourself
> 
> \usetypescript[chancery][texnansi]
> \definetypeface
> [myfont][cg][calligraphy][chancery][default][encoding=texnansi]
> \setupbodyfont[myfont,cg,12pt]
> 
> KR
> Willi
> Ciro Soto wrote:
> > When I try the commands \usetypescript, \setupbodyfont, etc,etc
> > I can't find the right combination of switches to make use of the Zapf
> > Chancery or Garamond fonts.
> > All other fonts work find (bookman, modern, palatino, etc).
> >
> > I am using Linux/fedoraCore3, texlive2004, and:
> > TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
> >                texexec : TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
> >                texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004
> >                    tex : pdfeTeXk, 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3)
> >                context : ver: 2005.01.31
> >                cont-en : ver: 2005.01.31  fmt: 2005.2.28  mes: english
> >
> > Please don't ask me to read the manuals, I've read them, but still ...
> > thank you...
> > Ciro
> > _______________________________________________
> > ntg-context mailing list
> > ntg-context@ntg.nl
> > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
> 


-- 
=======================================
"All problems are at the interface. Each one of them has a solution."
from:
"The Guitar Maker, An Exploration of Wisdom, Design and Love." 
A novel by C. A. Soto Aguirre. Pub. Date: Aug. 20

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* Re: chancery font
  2005-04-02 18:29     ` Ciro Soto
@ 2005-04-02 19:21       ` Idris Samawi Hamid
  2005-04-02 20:00         ` Ciro Soto
  2005-04-03 19:41       ` h h extern
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2005-04-02 19:21 UTC (permalink / raw)


On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:29:16 -0500, Ciro Soto <cirosoto@gmail.com> wrote:

> Idris solution didn't work. I got:
> TeXFont 2.2.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 2000-2004
> processing aborted : unknown tex root

Don't know if this is related to your own installation but I get this kind 
of message if I do not

setuptex c:\<your context tex_root>

before running the utilities.

Did you get Garamond working? Where is it?

At least things are working now:-)

Best
Idris
-- 
Professor Idris Samawi Hamid
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523

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* Re: chancery font
  2005-04-02 19:21       ` Idris Samawi Hamid
@ 2005-04-02 20:00         ` Ciro Soto
  2005-04-02 21:22           ` Adam Lindsay
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Ciro Soto @ 2005-04-02 20:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users

Idris,
thank you for your interest. I don't have setuptex in my linux
system... maybe this is
a windows utility. 

Concerning Garamond, I see bunch of files in my system:
ls ./texmf-local/fonts/afm/urw/garamond/
 ugmri8a.afm
 ugmr8a.afm
 ugmmi8a.afm
 ugmm8a.afm

and there are references to garamond fonts in the type-* files, but I don't know
how to activate it. I think I have a configuration problem in my texlive2004
plus the difficulty of handling fonts (as always)... I'll keep trying
and let you
know if find how to activate them...

Also, I followed instructions to install verdana (magazine009) but
couldn't make it work either...
so, the problem is likely to be in my installation...

Ciro


On Apr 2, 2005 2:21 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid <ishamid@colostate.edu> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:29:16 -0500, Ciro Soto <cirosoto@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Idris solution didn't work. I got:
> > TeXFont 2.2.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 2000-2004
> > processing aborted : unknown tex root
> 
> Don't know if this is related to your own installation but I get this kind
> of message if I do not
> 
> setuptex c:\<your context tex_root>
> 
> before running the utilities.
> 
> Did you get Garamond working? Where is it?
> 
> At least things are working now:-)
> 
> Best
> Idris
> --
> Professor Idris Samawi Hamid
> Department of Philosophy
> Colorado State University
> Fort Collins, CO 80523
> 


-- 
=======================================
"All problems are at the interface. Each one of them has a solution."
from:
"The Guitar Maker, An Exploration of Wisdom, Design and Love." 
A novel by C. A. Soto Aguirre. Pub. Date: Aug. 2005.

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* Re: chancery font
  2005-04-02 20:00         ` Ciro Soto
@ 2005-04-02 21:22           ` Adam Lindsay
  2005-04-02 23:33             ` Ciro Soto
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Adam Lindsay @ 2005-04-02 21:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users

Ciro Soto said this at Sat, 2 Apr 2005 15:00:32 -0500:

>Concerning Garamond, I see bunch of files in my system:
>ls ./texmf-local/fonts/afm/urw/garamond/
> ugmri8a.afm
> ugmr8a.afm
> ugmmi8a.afm
> ugmm8a.afm

The key question is whether you have the fonts/type1/urw/garamond
directory with .pfb files in it, as these are the URW garamond fonts, you
probably do have them. However, you probably need to load the map file
[ugm.map], and use the right typescript. As the only one in ConTeXt is
for the FontSite500 garamond, that needs to be added. There's a quickie
at the end of the message.

And Idris, it's here:
<http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/urw/garamond/>

\starttypescript[serif][garamond][ec]
 \definefontsynonym[Garamond]          [ugmr8t] [encoding=ec]
 \definefontsynonym[GaramondItalic]    [ugmri8t][encoding=ec]
 \definefontsynonym[GaramondBold]      [ugmm8t] [encoding=ec]
 \definefontsynonym[GaramondBoldItalic][ugmmi8t][encoding=ec]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript[serif][garamond][name]
 \setups[font:fallback:serif]
 \definefontsynonym[Serif]          [Garamond]
 \definefontsynonym[SerifItalic]    [GaramondItalic]
 \definefontsynonym[SerifBold]      [GaramondBold]
 \definefontsynonym[SerifBoldItalic][GaramondBoldItalic]
\stoptypescript

Activate with:
\definetypeface[myface][rm][serif][garamond][default][encoding=ec]
\setupbodyfont[myface]

(untested, but hopefully you get the idea...)

adam
-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept.     atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk
 Lancaster University, InfoLab21        +44(0)1524/510.514
 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK             Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492
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* Re: chancery font
  2005-04-02 21:22           ` Adam Lindsay
@ 2005-04-02 23:33             ` Ciro Soto
  2005-04-03 14:03               ` Rob Ermers
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Ciro Soto @ 2005-04-02 23:33 UTC (permalink / raw)


> 
> (untested, but hopefully you get the idea...)
> 
> adam

unfortunately, I have a mental mess with the font business in tex.
How can one keep track with so many directories, encodings, file types,
maps, etc... I am tired of trying to undestand. Manuals are useless
because they are outdated, trees are changed and need texhash, plus,
on top, one needs to learn the syntax for Context to use fonts.
I've been spending days trying to install a verdana font, and no
matter what I do,
it doesnt' work, and I think the same is happening with the garamond. 
I have no lesss than 3000 font files in my computer, but so far, only a handful
are available in context. At this point,
I really wish I had a graphical tool to install and use a font,
without going through
all the --always changing-- steps...
I guess, some day, someone will clear this up for once...

ciro
Ciro

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* Re: Re: btex-etex
  2005-04-02  6:37     ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2005-04-03  7:59       ` Jiri Polcar
  2005-04-03 18:20         ` Taco Hoekwater
  2005-04-03 19:28         ` h h extern
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Jiri Polcar @ 2005-04-03  7:59 UTC (permalink / raw)


On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 08:37:01AM +0200, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> 
> It is quite possible that your resulting characters exceed
> some size limit in DVI mode. Try \setupoutput[pdftex]
> 
> In this case your "scaled 5cm" expands into "scaled 141.7":
> the word test, scaled to 141.7 times it original size.
> 

My problem is that I have no output also without 'caled 5cm':

    \setupoutput[pdftex]

    \starttext

    \startuseMPgraphic{test}
      picture p; p := btex TEST etex;
      draw p;
    \stopuseMPgraphic

    \useMPgraphic{test}

    \stoptext


Sorry, I used "too" complicated example to describe my problem. I have
no ouptput of btex-etex in any case...

--
JP

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* Re: chancery font
  2005-04-02 23:33             ` Ciro Soto
@ 2005-04-03 14:03               ` Rob Ermers
  2005-04-03 14:57                 ` Adam Lindsay
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Rob Ermers @ 2005-04-03 14:03 UTC (permalink / raw)


Hi Ciro,

I completely agree. Context works fine but, like you, I have not 
succeeded in installing any new font thusfar.
A few months ago I tried again with a very simple font, which I got 
working under Latex, but not under Context, despite all my attempts and 
suggestions from other subscribers: alas!

Two years ago I recoded a cyrillic font under Latex, that contains 
special characters not available in other fonts, therefore I guess I 
know how the TeX font mechanism works. I achieved that by carefully 
reading all kinds of manuals available on the net.

For the time being I manage with Context with the standard fonts & 
Palatino, waiting for a breakthrough of some kind: the golden tip!

Kind regards,

Robert





Ciro Soto wrote:
>>(untested, but hopefully you get the idea...)
>>
>>adam
> 
> 
> unfortunately, I have a mental mess with the font business in tex.
> How can one keep track with so many directories, encodings, file types,
> maps, etc... I am tired of trying to undestand. Manuals are useless
> because they are outdated, trees are changed and need texhash, plus,
> on top, one needs to learn the syntax for Context to use fonts.
> I've been spending days trying to install a verdana font, and no
> matter what I do,
> it doesnt' work, and I think the same is happening with the garamond. 
> I have no lesss than 3000 font files in my computer, but so far, only a handful
> are available in context. At this point,
> I really wish I had a graphical tool to install and use a font,
> without going through
> all the --always changing-- steps...
> I guess, some day, someone will clear this up for once...
> 
> ciro
> Ciro
> _______________________________________________
> ntg-context mailing list
> ntg-context@ntg.nl
> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
> 
> 

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* Re: chancery font
  2005-04-03 14:03               ` Rob Ermers
@ 2005-04-03 14:57                 ` Adam Lindsay
  2005-04-03 16:22                   ` Ciro Soto
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Adam Lindsay @ 2005-04-03 14:57 UTC (permalink / raw)


Rob Ermers said this at Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:03:24 +0200:

>I completely agree. Context works fine but, like you, I have not 
>succeeded in installing any new font thusfar.

Okay, I get the message: there are quite a few frustrated would-be font
users out there. I see it as being something that someone can understand
(and explain) fairly well in the abstract, but the details throw up
distribution-specific problems. 

So, because it's the only area I can hope to fix, are there any Mac users
out there (gwTeX) that are (still) frustrated with fonts in the way that
Rob and Ciro are?

For those Mac users, is it a matter of using pre-installed fonts
(Palatino, Helvetica, etc.), or installing your own fonts that is so
frustrating?
-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept.     atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk
 Lancaster University, InfoLab21        +44(0)1524/510.514
 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK             Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492
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* Re: chancery font
  2005-04-03 14:57                 ` Adam Lindsay
@ 2005-04-03 16:22                   ` Ciro Soto
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Ciro Soto @ 2005-04-03 16:22 UTC (permalink / raw)


My problem goes beyond fonts. What I think I need is a simple explanation
of the TeX-like package system.  For instance:

I see tetex,pdftex,contex, latex,web2c,...and so on, but I don't understand
their interrelation/dependency. 

Why the livetex tree is like it is?  What is needed for a context user?

What are the steps to upgrade context with a cont-tmf.zip and a texlive2004?
Would it be possible to create an shell script that automize all this?
 
Where are fonts registered/stored/mapped/encoded?

Most books on TeX,latex, etc, only explain how to use them, but not
the 'system administration' part, which must of us have to learn as well.

BTW, I used Idris instructions (without step4 because my texfont works)
and I have installed three different fonts so far. Actually, I
converted TTF fonts
to pfb/afm, then used the Idris steps, and I am happy. Now I hace to learn how
to build typescript files, and learn where to put them, and the mapping/encoding
business.

regards

Ciro




On Apr 3, 2005 10:57 AM, Adam Lindsay <atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk> wrote:
> Rob Ermers said this at Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:03:24 +0200:
> 
> >I completely agree. Context works fine but, like you, I have not
> >succeeded in installing any new font thusfar.
> 
> Okay, I get the message: there are quite a few frustrated would-be font
> users out there. I see it as being something that someone can understand
> (and explain) fairly well in the abstract, but the details throw up
> distribution-specific problems.
> 
> So, because it's the only area I can hope to fix, are there any Mac users
> out there (gwTeX) that are (still) frustrated with fonts in the way that
> Rob and Ciro are?
> 
> For those Mac users, is it a matter of using pre-installed fonts
> (Palatino, Helvetica, etc.), or installing your own fonts that is so
> frustrating?
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* Re: Re: btex-etex
  2005-04-03  7:59       ` Jiri Polcar
@ 2005-04-03 18:20         ` Taco Hoekwater
  2005-04-03 19:28         ` h h extern
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2005-04-03 18:20 UTC (permalink / raw)


Jiri Polcar wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I used "too" complicated example to describe my problem. I have
> no ouptput of btex-etex in any case...

That ran perfectly on my system. Any chance you can capture your screen
output from the texexec run and post that?

Taco

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* Re: Re: btex-etex
  2005-04-03  7:59       ` Jiri Polcar
  2005-04-03 18:20         ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2005-04-03 19:28         ` h h extern
  2005-04-04  7:28           ` Jiri Polcar
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: h h extern @ 2005-04-03 19:28 UTC (permalink / raw)


Jiri Polcar wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 08:37:01AM +0200, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> 
>>It is quite possible that your resulting characters exceed
>>some size limit in DVI mode. Try \setupoutput[pdftex]
>>
>>In this case your "scaled 5cm" expands into "scaled 141.7":
>>the word test, scaled to 141.7 times it original size.
>>
> 
> 
> My problem is that I have no output also without 'caled 5cm':
> 
>     \setupoutput[pdftex]
> 
>     \starttext
> 
>     \startuseMPgraphic{test}
>       picture p; p := btex TEST etex;
>       draw p;
>     \stopuseMPgraphic
> 
>     \useMPgraphic{test}
> 
>     \stoptext
> 
> 
> Sorry, I used "too" complicated example to describe my problem. I have
> no ouptput of btex-etex in any case...

a more simple version:

\setupoutput[pdftex]

\starttext

\startMPpage
   draw btex TEST etex;
\stopMPpage

\stoptext

anyhow, what does

texexec --automp

produce

Hans

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* Re: chancery font
  2005-04-02 18:29     ` Ciro Soto
  2005-04-02 19:21       ` Idris Samawi Hamid
@ 2005-04-03 19:41       ` h h extern
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: h h extern @ 2005-04-03 19:41 UTC (permalink / raw)


Ciro Soto wrote:
> Idris solution didn't work. I got: 
> TeXFont 2.2.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 2000-2004
> processing aborted : unknown tex root
> 
> which seems to be an installation problem... 
> BUT
> Willi's solutions worked when I use encoding=ec (not texnansi)...
> thank you

indeed since there is no predefined typeface for chancery (makes no sense since 
it's a special purpose font)

if you want texnansi you need to make the metrics with texfont; tex live only 
ships with ec versions

Hans




> Ciro
> 
> 
> On Apr 2, 2005 12:52 PM, Willi Egger <w.egger@boede.nl> wrote:
> 
>>Hi Ciro,
>>
>>AFAIK chancery has no typeface associated. So you need to do that yourself
>>
>>\usetypescript[chancery][texnansi]
>>\definetypeface
>>[myfont][cg][calligraphy][chancery][default][encoding=texnansi]
>>\setupbodyfont[myfont,cg,12pt]
>>
>>KR
>>Willi
>>Ciro Soto wrote:
>>
>>>When I try the commands \usetypescript, \setupbodyfont, etc,etc
>>>I can't find the right combination of switches to make use of the Zapf
>>>Chancery or Garamond fonts.
>>>All other fonts work find (bookman, modern, palatino, etc).
>>>
>>>I am using Linux/fedoraCore3, texlive2004, and:
>>>TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
>>>               texexec : TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
>>>               texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004
>>>                   tex : pdfeTeXk, 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3)
>>>               context : ver: 2005.01.31
>>>               cont-en : ver: 2005.01.31  fmt: 2005.2.28  mes: english
>>>
>>>Please don't ask me to read the manuals, I've read them, but still ...
>>>thank you...
>>>Ciro
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>ntg-context mailing list
>>>ntg-context@ntg.nl
>>>http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>>
> 
> 


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* Re: Re: btex-etex
  2005-04-03 19:28         ` h h extern
@ 2005-04-04  7:28           ` Jiri Polcar
  2005-04-04  8:22             ` Hans Hagen
  2005-04-04 10:53             ` btex-etex Patrick Gundlach
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Jiri Polcar @ 2005-04-04  7:28 UTC (permalink / raw)


On Sun, Apr 03, 2005 at 09:28:45PM +0200, h h extern wrote:
> 
> a more simple version:
> 
> \setupoutput[pdftex]
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \startMPpage
>   draw btex TEST etex;
> \stopMPpage
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> anyhow, what does
> 
> texexec --automp
> 
> produce
> 

Also with this simple version I have empty output. This is what

    texexec --automp test.tex

shows:

--output--
 TeXExec 3.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2002

            executable : pdfetex
                format : cont-en
             inputfile : main
                output : standard
             interface : en
          current mode : none
               TeX run : 1

This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-1.10b-2.1 (Web2C 7.4.5)
 \write18 enabled.
entering extended mode
(./main.tex{/usr/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg}

ConTeXt  ver: 2003.1.31  fmt: 2005.4.1  int: english  mes: english

language       : language en is active
<protectionstate 0>
system         : cont-new loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
systems        : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex!
system (E-TEX) : [line 726] \ifcsname 
)
system         : cont-old loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-old.tex
loading        : Context Old Macros
)
system         : cont-fil loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex
loading        : Context File Synonyms
)
bodyfont       : 12pt rm is loaded
language       : patterns 2:2-en-2 3:2-uk-2 4:2-de-2 5:2-fr-2 6:2-es-2 7:2-it-2
 8:2-nl-2 loaded
specials       : tex,postscript,rokicki loaded
system         : main.top loaded
(./main.top)
pdftex         : needs map file: original-context-symbol.map
pdftex         : needs map file: pl0-ams-cmr.map
pdftex         : needs map file: original-vogel-symbol.map
specials       : loading definition file tpd
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-tpd.tex
specials       : loading definition file fdf
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-fdf.tex <unprotect 3>
system (E-TEX) : [line 1815] \ifcsname 
<unprotect 4> <protect 4> <protect 3>)
specials       : fdf loaded
)
specials       : fdf,tpd loaded
systems        : begin file main at line 4
Randomizer initialized to 665223967. [MP mpgraph.1] [1.1]
systems        : end file main at line 10
[flush and process mpgraph.mp afterwards] )
Output written on main.pdf (1 page, 840 bytes).
Transcript written on main.log.

              run time : 0 seconds
   generating graphics : metaposting mpgraph.mp

 TeXExec 3.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2002

       metapost to tex : mpgraph
            executable : pdfetex
                format : cont-en
             inputfile : tmpgraph
                output : dvips
             interface : en
               options : once nomp
          current mode : none

This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-1.10b-2.1 (Web2C 7.4.5)
 \write18 enabled.
entering extended mode
(./tmpgraph.tex{/usr/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg}

ConTeXt  ver: 2003.1.31  fmt: 2005.4.1  int: english  mes: english

language       : language en is active
<protectionstate 0>
system         : cont-new loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
systems        : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex!
system (E-TEX) : [line 726] \ifcsname 
)
system         : cont-old loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-old.tex
loading        : Context Old Macros
)
system         : cont-fil loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex
loading        : Context File Synonyms
)
bodyfont       : 12pt rm is loaded
language       : patterns 2:2-en-2 3:2-uk-2 4:2-de-2 5:2-fr-2 6:2-es-2 7:2-it-2
 8:2-nl-2 loaded
specials       : tex,postscript,rokicki loaded
system         : tmpgraph.top loaded
(./tmpgraph.top
specials       : loading definition file dvi
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-dvi.tex <unprotect 3> <protect 3>)
specials       : tex loaded
specials       : loading definition file ps
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-ps.tex)
specials       : tex,postscript loaded
specials       : loading definition file tr
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-tr.tex)
specials       : tex,postscript,rokicki loaded
)
pdftex         : needs map file: original-context-symbol.map
pdftex         : needs map file: pl0-ams-cmr.map
pdftex         : needs map file: original-vogel-symbol.map
[1.1]
systems        : end file tmpgraph at line 4
 )
Output written on tmpgraph.dvi (1 page, 196 bytes).
Transcript written on tmpgraph.log.

              run time : 0 seconds
       dvi to metapost : mpgraph
              metapost : mpgraph
                format : metafun
This is MetaPost, Version 0.641 (Web2C 7.4.5)
(mpgraph.mp )
Transcript written on mpgraph.log.

        total run time : 0 seconds
  sorting and checking : running texutil

 TeXUtil 7.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2002
 
                action : processing commands, lists and registers 
                option : sorting IJ under Y 
                option : converting high ASCII values 
            input file : main.tui 
           output file : main.tuo 
       passed commands : 9 
         remapped keys : 0 
      register entries : 0 -> 0 entries 0 references 
       synonym entries : 0 -> 0 entries 
        embedded files : 1 

 utility file analysis : another run needed
               TeX run : 2

This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-1.10b-2.1 (Web2C 7.4.5)
 \write18 enabled.
entering extended mode
(./main.tex{/usr/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg}

ConTeXt  ver: 2003.1.31  fmt: 2005.4.1  int: english  mes: english

language       : language en is active
<protectionstate 0>
system         : cont-new loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
systems        : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex!
system (E-TEX) : [line 726] \ifcsname 
)
system         : cont-old loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-old.tex
loading        : Context Old Macros
)
system         : cont-fil loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex
loading        : Context File Synonyms
)
bodyfont       : 12pt rm is loaded
language       : patterns 2:2-en-2 3:2-uk-2 4:2-de-2 5:2-fr-2 6:2-es-2 7:2-it-2
 8:2-nl-2 loaded
specials       : tex,postscript,rokicki loaded
system         : main.top loaded
(./main.top)
pdftex         : needs map file: original-context-symbol.map
pdftex         : needs map file: pl0-ams-cmr.map
pdftex         : needs map file: original-vogel-symbol.map
specials       : loading definition file tpd
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-tpd.tex
specials       : loading definition file fdf
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-fdf.tex <unprotect 3>
system (E-TEX) : [line 1815] \ifcsname 
<unprotect 4> <protect 4> <protect 3>)
specials       : fdf loaded
)
specials       : fdf,tpd loaded
(./main.tuo) (./main.tuo) (./main.tuo) (./main.tuo) (./main.tuo) (./main.tuo)
(./main.tuo) (./main.tuo) (./main.tuo) (./main.tuo) (./main.tuo) (./main.tuo)
(./main.tuo) (./main.tuo)
systems        : begin file main at line 4
Randomizer initialized to 665223967. [MP mpgraph.1] [1.1]
systems        : end file main at line 10
[flush and process mpgraph.mp afterwards] )
Output written on main.pdf (1 page, 840 bytes).
Transcript written on main.log.

              run time : 0 seconds
   generating graphics : metaposting mpgraph.mp

 TeXExec 3.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2002

       metapost to tex : mpgraph
            executable : pdfetex
                format : cont-en
             inputfile : tmpgraph
                output : dvips
             interface : en
               options : once nomp
          current mode : none

This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-1.10b-2.1 (Web2C 7.4.5)
 \write18 enabled.
entering extended mode
(./tmpgraph.tex{/usr/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg}

ConTeXt  ver: 2003.1.31  fmt: 2005.4.1  int: english  mes: english

language       : language en is active
<protectionstate 0>
system         : cont-new loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
systems        : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex!
system (E-TEX) : [line 726] \ifcsname 
)
system         : cont-old loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-old.tex
loading        : Context Old Macros
)
system         : cont-fil loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex
loading        : Context File Synonyms
)
bodyfont       : 12pt rm is loaded
language       : patterns 2:2-en-2 3:2-uk-2 4:2-de-2 5:2-fr-2 6:2-es-2 7:2-it-2
 8:2-nl-2 loaded
specials       : tex,postscript,rokicki loaded
system         : tmpgraph.top loaded
(./tmpgraph.top
specials       : loading definition file dvi
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-dvi.tex <unprotect 3> <protect 3>)
specials       : tex loaded
specials       : loading definition file ps
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-ps.tex)
specials       : tex,postscript loaded
specials       : loading definition file tr
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-tr.tex)
specials       : tex,postscript,rokicki loaded
)
pdftex         : needs map file: original-context-symbol.map
pdftex         : needs map file: pl0-ams-cmr.map
pdftex         : needs map file: original-vogel-symbol.map
[1.1]
systems        : end file tmpgraph at line 4
 )
Output written on tmpgraph.dvi (1 page, 196 bytes).
Transcript written on tmpgraph.log.

              run time : 0 seconds
       dvi to metapost : mpgraph
              metapost : mpgraph
                format : metafun
This is MetaPost, Version 0.641 (Web2C 7.4.5)
(mpgraph.mp )
Transcript written on mpgraph.log.

        total run time : 0 seconds
  sorting and checking : running texutil

 TeXUtil 7.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2002
 
                action : processing commands, lists and registers 
                option : sorting IJ under Y 
                option : converting high ASCII values 
            input file : main.tui 
           output file : main.tuo 
       passed commands : 9 
         remapped keys : 0 
      register entries : 0 -> 0 entries 0 references 
       synonym entries : 0 -> 0 entries 
        embedded files : 1 

        total run time : 1 seconds
--output--

--
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* Re: Re: btex-etex
  2005-04-04  7:28           ` Jiri Polcar
@ 2005-04-04  8:22             ` Hans Hagen
  2005-04-05  8:10               ` Jiri Polcar
  2005-04-04 10:53             ` btex-etex Patrick Gundlach
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2005-04-04  8:22 UTC (permalink / raw)


Jiri Polcar wrote:

>  TeXExec 3.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2002

that's pretty old (we have 5+ now)

can you try a newer version?

> This is MetaPost, Version 0.641 (Web2C 7.4.5)
> (mpgraph.mp )
> Transcript written on mpgraph.log.

i suppose that the log is ok?

Hans


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* Re: btex-etex
  2005-04-04  7:28           ` Jiri Polcar
  2005-04-04  8:22             ` Hans Hagen
@ 2005-04-04 10:53             ` Patrick Gundlach
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2005-04-04 10:53 UTC (permalink / raw)


Hello Jiri,

>  TeXExec 3.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2002


with that ancient version you can try your luck with
\protectbufferstrue in cont-sys.tex (copy it from cont-sys.rme if it
doesn't exist yet).

Patrick

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* Re: Re: btex-etex
  2005-04-04  8:22             ` Hans Hagen
@ 2005-04-05  8:10               ` Jiri Polcar
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Jiri Polcar @ 2005-04-05  8:10 UTC (permalink / raw)


On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 10:22:07AM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Jiri Polcar wrote:
> 
> > TeXExec 3.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2002
> 
> that's pretty old (we have 5+ now)
> 
> can you try a newer version?
> 

OK. Now I using tetex-2.0.2-21.3 that comes with Fedora Core 3. I download

    http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/current/cont-tmf.zip
    http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/current/cont-img.zip
    http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/current/cont-exa.zip
    http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/current/cont-ppc.zip
    http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/current/cont-mpd.zip

unzip it and copy to /usr/share/texmf. Then I run 'texconfig init' with
this result:

    This is a summary of all `failed' messages and warnings:
    `mpost -ini  -jobname=metafun -progname=mpost metafun.mp' failed
    `pdfetex -ini  -jobname=!cont-cz -progname=!cont-cz *cont-cz.ini' failed
    `pdfetex -ini  -jobname=cont-en -progname=context *cont-en.ini' failed

My '/usr/bin/texexec' always runs 'TeXExec 3.1' version:

    texexec --pdf main.tex

     TeXExec 3.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2002

                executable : pdfetex
                    format : cont-en
                 inputfile : main
                    output : pdftex
                 interface : en
              current mode : none
                   TeX run : 1

    This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-1.10b-2.1 (Web2C 7.4.5)
     \write18 enabled.
    entering extended mode
    (./main.tex{/usr/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg}

    ConTeXt  ver: 2003.1.31  fmt: 2005.4.1  int: english  mes: english

    language       : language en is active
    <protectionstate 0>
    system         : cont-new loaded
    (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
    systems        : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex!
    ! Undefined control sequence.
    \@@toks ->\everymathematics 
                                
    \dodoappendtoks ->\dodoglobal \@@toks 
                                          \@EAEAEA {\@EA \the \@EA \@@toks
    \the ...
    l.299 \to \everymathematics
                               
    ? 


Is something what I must to do?

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