From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/20638 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "John R. Culleton" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Fleurons Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 07:39:19 +0000 Organization: WexfordPress Message-ID: <200506020739.20228.john@wexfordpress.com> References: <429E4A65.5050206@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1117712516 6399 80.91.229.2 (2 Jun 2005 11:41:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Jerzy.Ludwichowski@uni.torun.pl, Hans Hagen , v.r.w.Schaa@gsi.de, Staszek Wawrykiewicz , Karl Berry Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu Jun 02 13:41:45 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ddo32-0006tv-TM for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:39:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31695127EF; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:42:45 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02568-02; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:42:40 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8F4127D2; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:42:40 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5DF127D2 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:42:39 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02385-06 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:42:38 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mta9.adelphia.net (mta9.adelphia.net [68.168.78.199]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D751279E for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:42:37 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from 69-174-190-44.frdrmd.adelphia.net ([69.174.190.44]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.01 201-2131-118-101-20041129) with ESMTP id <20050602114236.SMOD8952.mta9.adelphia.net@69-174-190-44.frdrmd.adelphia.net>; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 07:42:36 -0400 Original-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 In-Reply-To: <429E4A65.5050206@wxs.nl> Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on smtp.ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:20638 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:20638 On Wednesday 01 June 2005 11:53 pm, Hans Hagen wrote: > Staszek Wawrykiewicz wrote: > > Why? Anybody is free to make tfm files, as afm files are > > always available for _that_ set of urw fonts. > > the problem is that there is a bunch of context users out there > who think (are being told, whatever) that they should use the > provided ones instead of generating them by texfont or afm2tfm > (so they want to use the presumably present ones and not > generate them by texfont, which is ok for me; but unfortunately > they are not always there; and then they try the ps ones, which > are only there for ec and not for texnansi and then ... and > then ...) > > well, i give up on fonts ... maybe some day i just put metric > files in the context zip (ec texnansi qx), why should i care > about those few extra bytes > I use only the 8r encoding because I write/typeset in (American) English and I need special characters like the copyright symbol. the registered symbol, the trademark (tm) symbol and so on. Some of these are not available in other encodings, or at least I cannot find them. I understand that Europeans prefer other encodings with good reason but 8r needs to remain in the scheme of things IMO. I not only use plain tex, pdftex, Context etc. in my own work I advertise these Open Source solutions as effective alternatives to e.g., InDesign. To sell the system to new users requires a K.I.S.S. approach. Is there a problem in Context with making the URW fonts the default and then just aliasing the Adobe names to the URW versions? The more we can hide these details the better. Font handling is the great Achilles heel of all flavors of TeX, as we all know. Since Context is (relatively) new if we can jigger things around so that the K.I.S.S. principle is adhered to then selling the concept to new users will be easier. Too many people in the printing world have horrid memories of LaTeX from their college days or other earlier experience. (K.I.S.S. = "Keep it simple silly.) > thanks for your patience And thanks for Context! -- John Culleton