From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/32234 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Norbert Preining Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context,gmane.linux.debian.devel.tetex Subject: Re: License stuff for ConTeXt Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:00:52 +0100 Message-ID: <20061222160052.GA13848@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> References: <20061219180411.GC10246@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> <20061222100720.GK9611@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> <86r6usnrze.fsf@alhambra.kuesterei.ch> <20061222134613.GB30116@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> <458BEFE0.8030308@elvenkind.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: dough.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1166803289 4077 80.91.229.10 (22 Dec 2006 16:01:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:01:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users , Hans Hagen , Frank =?iso-8859-15?Q?K=FCster?= , debian-tex-maint@lists.debian.org Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Dec 22 17:01:26 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by dough.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Gxmph-0002iK-BG for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:01:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D69201AC; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:00:00 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10710-01-6; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:59:50 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A41F2018F; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:59:50 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E0A20195 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:59:48 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10710-01-5 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:59:41 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from alpha.logic.tuwien.ac.at (alpha.logic.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.175.20]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F4CA20169 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:59:41 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at ([128.130.175.3]) by alpha.logic.tuwien.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1GxmpN-0007ri-00; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:00:57 +0100 Original-Received: from preining by gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1GxmpI-0003qr-00; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:00:52 +0100 Original-To: Taco Hoekwater Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <458BEFE0.8030308@elvenkind.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:32234 gmane.linux.debian.devel.tetex:19956 Archived-At: Hi Taco! On Fre, 22 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > I had to go through this for TeXLive proper as well. Can't you Oh, sorry I missed this. Was it on the tex-live list? If yes, then all this is my fault, if no, hmm, still sorry. > Anyway, here is my list of remarks. I apologise beforehand if I > sound a bit unfriendly here or there, I do not completely agree No problem, I understand this. But OTOH see that we are bound to the rules, too, even ... > with DFSG (especially where it comes to requiring sources for > documentation) and that tends to show through in my prose. Also, ... if I, too, don't agree about the documentation stuff. In fact I agree half-way: I want to have the source code, even if some commercial fonts are missing etc and would still consider this DFSG free. In fact I started a discussion about it some time ago, since I believe it is better to have (as an example): fontinstallationguide.tex fontinstallationguide.pdf where the pdf contains some commercial fonts. The user still has the source code, can do anything with it, AND has a beautiful/readable/whatever document for printing. I am often missing some "common sense" in these discussion, but OTOH I understand that on the larger scale of a whole distribution this is something a bit more complicated. Anyway, for your remarks! > I am becoming worn out. Sorry for that. > >First cont-img.zip: > = > All images in cont-img are GPLv2. Good. > >cont-fnt contains a huge bunch of vf/afm/tfm/map files. I assume that > >they were generated from some fontinst source, but this is missing. > = > No, they were not, and there is no "missing source". The vf/tfm/map > were generated using the texfont program, which does not use source > files. The afms were created using ttf2afm, which uses ttfs as source. Thanks for clarification. > >Anyway, there is no accompanying readme or whatsoever besides the one > >for lucida. = > = > All the files in cont-fnt are GPLv2. Thanks. > >cont-ext seems to be ok besides a few points: > > t-lettrine.tex does not have a license statement > = > Yes, it does. Top of file. PD. Perhaps you missed another then? Missed, sorry. > > t-urwgaramond, type-urwgaramond, = > = > Peter, can you add the license statement and re-upload? (it is GPL, > according to Peter's own license statement on the contextgarden page > for this module) Thanks. > > type-urwgothic: no license statement > = > PD, but I forgot to add the statement, sorry. > = > >A different thing is that the sources of many doc are not included: > = > All the demo and doc files are generated by running texexec in > "module" resp. "demo" mode on the actual macro sources, so the > source is already included (just like .dtx files are the source > of many latex packages' documentation) AHHHHHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Umpf, didn't know this. Well, as I said, I am new to ConTeXt ;-) > >Best would actually be to put a files MANIFEST.GPL, MANIFEST.PD, > >MANIFEST.CC-plus-ND into all the zip files. This way we could just > >forget about all this and ONLY if you add a file you have to update the > >MANIFEST.*. > = > >Does this sound reasonable? > = > Sure, but only if you can promise this *will be* the end of it. > Otherwise, it only adds even more of a hassle (it seems whatever > we do, it is never quite enough). To be honest: This is the way MOST projects go. And with a statement like this Debian Developers normally are more than content, they are happy: It is NOT our job to check every single file. If upstream gives a statement, we believe it. But it should be mentioned somewhere. Yes, if you do this and keep it up to date, that would make it perfectly simple for all of us: - I just package everything which is DFSG compatible into context - I just package the rest into context-nonfree - The copyright statements includes the licenses as given and refers to the relevant MANIFEST files. As I said, it would help us (Debian) a lot, and I am sure it would also help other distributions (TeX Live) a lot, because it is clear what can be included and which conditions! > >./doc/context/third/lettrine/W.pdf source missing > = > It is an image. If it would make you feel better, I can > convert it to png format, but then I would have to include > the pdf as the source of the png, wouldn't I? ;-) Well, the original source is I assume the respective MetaFont source of Yannis Haralambous, but let's forget about it. > >./doc/context/document/general/manuals/tiptrick.pdf NOSOURCE > = > Do you prefer to have no file at all? Or is NOSOURCE better than > nothing? Consider that if these PDF documents were created using > InDesign, there would not even exist a source, anywhere. As I said, I *cannot* include it into context, but I WILL it include, as with the rest of the ConTeXt documentation into context-nonfree so that people WILL have everything available. = The difference between normal and non-free in Debian is (only) that the later one is non officially part of Debian, but is still distributed via the Debian mirror system, so easily available. > From the entire list of pdfs, I believe this is the only one that > really does not have a source included where there could reasonably > be expected to be a source avaible somewhere. Thanks a lot. > >CC-plus-ND the following: > >./doc/fonts/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletters.rme > = > "Anything starting with koei" -> CC-ND is correct (like you said > in another message). There was one in this list by mistake: Yup. > > ./fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-adobe-euro.map > = > that should be GPL. My error. Taco, thanks a lot for your work and all the best Norbert ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- Dr. Norbert Preining Universit=E0 di= Siena Debian Developer Debian TeX G= roup gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 = B094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- TREWOFFE (n.) A very thick and heavy drift of snow balanced precariously on the edoge of a door porch waiting for what it judges to be the correct moment to fall. From the ancient Greek legend 'The Treewofe of Damocles'. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff