From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/36711 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Wolfgang Schuster Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: waiting for mswincontext Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:22:28 +0200 Message-ID: <20070920202228.571ed808.schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> References: <1625208280.20070918233338@gmail.com> <46F0D3D8.7050305@wxs.nl> <20070919164032.193dbd41.schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> <46F13619.6030609@wxs.nl> <20070919192254.1e1fe351.schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> <46F163C6.1030703@wxs.nl> <6faad9f00709191131m3b4b075ak6581d7e3135b3012@mail.gmail.com> <46F17651.5080004@wxs.nl> <46F21A40.70204@elvenkind.com> <6faad9f00709200618h1077af37q4abb381040e98afb@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190312592 5980 80.91.229.12 (20 Sep 2007 18:23:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:23:12 +0000 (UTC) To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu Sep 20 20:23:09 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IYQg6-0007Gh-Q7 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:23:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D63520276; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:23:04 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05560-01; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:22:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E025720248; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:22:53 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81A920245 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:22:50 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03865-05-5 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:22:43 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF3872021D for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:22:43 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id h2so445717ugf for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.67.27.3 with SMTP id e3mr3216279ugj.1190312563196; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from eve ( [89.51.234.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y6sm278479uge.2007.09.20.11.22.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:22:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6faad9f00709200618h1077af37q4abb381040e98afb@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.4 (GTK+ 2.10.13; i686-pc-mingw32) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:36711 Archived-At: On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:18:45 +0200 "Mojca Miklavec" wrote: > On 9/20/07, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > > Hans Hagen wrote: > > > Mojca Miklavec wrote: > > >> On 9/19/07, Hans Hagen wrote: > > >>> btw, > > >>> > > >>> pdftex --ini &plain \\pdfoutput=1 \dump > > >>> > > >>> can do the same for you, but as said .. if the minimals would have plain > > >>> formats they would default to dvi anyway so it would be of no help to you > > >> pdftex.fmt and mpost.mem would be perfectly fine. No need for > > >> plain.fmt (I guess). (And maybe xetex.fmt as a sugar, although that > > >> one might need some additional files.) > > > > > > pdftex --ini -fmt=pdftex plain.tex \\pdfoutput=1 \dump > > > > > > probably does that, but as said, everyone wants his/her own variant > > > (patterns to start with -) > > > > There is no doubt that plain is useful. I always create the plain > > Knuth format for luatex and pdftex by hand, and while it would be nice > > to have it done automatically, it is not that much work, and all real > > input files are there (.ini's are a commandline convenience). > > (In case of XeTeX, it's slightly more that a single line to be typed :) > > > If I understood correctly, plain xetex really needs something extra? > > If that is so, than perhaps that file should be added. Mojca, what's > > up with that? > > xetex.ini looks like that: > > \catcode`\{=1 \catcode`\}=2 \catcode`\#=6 \catcode`\^=7 \catcode`\@=11 > > \input unicode-letters > > \let\s@vef@nt=\font > ... some stuff here > \lowercase{\def\sk@pf@nt\preloaded=#1^^A{\endgroup}} > > \input etex.src > > % restore the \font command and undefine other stuff > \catcode`\@=11 > \let\font=\s@vef@nt > ... some more stuff here > > \dump > \endinput > > So one additionally needs: > - (possibly modified) xetex.ini itself > - unicode-letters.tex (could be replaced by enco-utf.tex, though I > just figured out that there's more in unicode-letters than in > enco-utf, but in that case enco-utf is that one which should be fixed) this is not possible with the 0.997dev version because it presets charclasses (a new feature in XeTeX) for a few CJK characters > - etex.src (btw: why is that one only used in xetex, but not in pdfTeX?) this is also used for the pdftex format in w32tex > - tex-text.tec (which was missing until now but needs to be added anyway) > - hmmm ... no idea about what is needed for hyphenation (but I guess > that patterns from ConTeXt could be used as well) > > I will test once I have the rest, but it would be really handy to have > the three plain formats (pdfTeX, XeTeX and mpost available; plus > luatex if needed). > > > On dev-context, I have already proposed the removal of a number of > > binaries, so I can make that request :-) > > ;) 3-times hurray for Taco :) > > Mojca Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________