Gentium Basic/Book

Gentium Basic/Book

[Joel C. Salomon]

How difficult would it be to adapt the typescript for Gentium (at
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/TypeScripts) to use the new Gentium
Basic for headings & Gentium Book Basic for text weights (both have
Roman, Bold Roman, Italic, & Bold Italic) -- but with reverting to
Gentium for characters that aren't in the Basic fonts?

--Joel
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Re: Gentium Basic/Book

[Joel C. Salomon]

Guess I asked for too much at once.

I've downloaded the Gentium Basic/Basic Book set of fonts from
<http://scripts.sil.org/Gentium_basic>, and I'd like to use them with
ConTeXt.  I ran texfont (with the command line texfont
--fontroot=c:\users\chesky\programs\context\tex\texmf-local
--sourcepath=... --vendor=sil --collection=gentium --makepath
--install), and now running texexec on the newly generated
texnansi-sil-gentium.tex produces some sort of glyph list.

Now I'm trying to adapt the typescript from
<http://wiki.contextgarden.net/TypeScripts> for the new set of fonts.
(I intend to use only utf-8 input files, if that matters any.)  I'd
like to use Gentium Basic as the titling font and Gentium Book Basic
as the text font, with regular, italic, bold, & bold-italic all
available in the normal fashion.  But I find I don't know what I'm
doing.

Has anyone yet tried to use the new fonts with ConTeXt?

--Joel
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Re: Gentium Basic/Book

[Hans Hagen]

Joel C. Salomon wrote:
> Guess I asked for too much at once.
> 
> I've downloaded the Gentium Basic/Basic Book set of fonts from
> <http://scripts.sil.org/Gentium_basic>, and I'd like to use them with
> ConTeXt.  I ran texfont (with the command line texfont
> --fontroot=c:\users\chesky\programs\context\tex\texmf-local
> --sourcepath=... --vendor=sil --collection=gentium --makepath
> --install), and now running texexec on the newly generated
> texnansi-sil-gentium.tex produces some sort of glyph list.
> 
> Now I'm trying to adapt the typescript from
> <http://wiki.contextgarden.net/TypeScripts> for the new set of fonts.
> (I intend to use only utf-8 input files, if that matters any.)  I'd
> like to use Gentium Basic as the titling font and Gentium Book Basic
> as the text font, with regular, italic, bold, & bold-italic all
> available in the normal fashion.  But I find I don't know what I'm
> doing.
> 
> Has anyone yet tried to use the new fonts with ConTeXt?

these are open type fonts ... use luatex or xetex ...

Hans

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Re: Gentium Basic/Book

[Mojca Miklavec]

On 11/19/07, Joel C. Salomon wrote:
> Guess I asked for too much at once.
>
> I've downloaded the Gentium Basic/Basic Book set of fonts from
> <http://scripts.sil.org/Gentium_basic>, and I'd like to use them with
> ConTeXt.  I ran texfont (with the command line texfont
> --fontroot=c:\users\chesky\programs\context\tex\texmf-local
> --sourcepath=... --vendor=sil --collection=gentium --makepath
> --install), and now running texexec on the newly generated
> texnansi-sil-gentium.tex produces some sort of glyph list.

Rather than using texfont (half-broken anyway), use XeTeX or LuaTeX.

(If you're using MikTeX and are willing to upgrade to MikTeX 2.7, you
can process your documents with "texexec --xtx filename"; if you're
using the standalone ConTeXt, you can process it with "--xtx" or
"--lua".)

Depending on whether you want to install those fonts or keep them in
the tree there are slightly different approaches, but this should work
for both LuTeX and XeTeX if you keep your files in the working
directory or in texmf/fonts/opentype/...[somewhere here]...

\starttypescript[serif][gentium-basic]
\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasic]          [file:GenBasR] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicItalic]    [file:GenBasI] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBold]      [file:GenBasB] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBoldItalic][file:GenBasBI][features=default]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript[serif][gentium-basic][name]
\definefontsynonym[Serif]          [GentiumBasic]
\definefontsynonym[SerifItalic]    [GentiumBasicItalic]
\definefontsynonym[SerifBold]      [GentiumBasicBold]
\definefontsynonym[SerifBoldItalic][GentiumBasicBoldItalic]
\stoptypescript

\definetypeface[mygentium][rm][serif][gentium-basic][default]

\setupbodyfont[mygentium,13pt]


I don't know how you plan to mix those fonts, but "reverting to
another typeface in case a glyph is missing" is a bad idea in this
particular case, at least in my opinion (although it's conditionally
doable) - how are you going to handle missing characters in bold
typeface?

One possibility would be to use:
- Gentium for Roman & Italic
- Gentium Basic for Bold & Bold Italic (and hope that you won't need
any special characters for titles)

Mojca
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Re: Gentium Basic/Book

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi Mojca,

I tried your example below and struggled in path error:

%\starttypescript[serif][gentium-basic]
%\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasic]          [file:GenBasR]  
[features=default]
%\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicItalic]    [file:GenBasI]  
[features=default]
%\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBold]      [file:GenBasB]  
[features=default]
%\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBoldItalic][file:GenBasBI] 
[features=default]
%\stoptypescript

%\starttypescript[serif][gentium-basic][name]
%\definefontsynonym[Serif]          [GentiumBasic]
%\definefontsynonym[SerifItalic]    [GentiumBasicItalic]
%\definefontsynonym[SerifBold]      [GentiumBasicBold]
%\definefontsynonym[SerifBoldItalic][GentiumBasicBoldItalic]
%\stoptypescript

%\definetypeface[mygentium][rm][serif][gentium-basic][default]

%\setupbodyfont[mygentium,36pt]


\font\rom="Gentium Basic" at 36pt

\starttext

Test WQG 0196

\rom Test WQG 0196

\stoptext


Doing it like this works OK.
But uncommenting the lines above ends up in ...

kpathsea: Running mktexmf GenBasR

! I can't find file `GenBasR'.


But isn't it the same font/file adressed in both cases?

(sorry, I am an absolute beginner in xetex)

Yours,

Steffen












Am 20.11.2007 um 01:57 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:

> On 11/19/07, Joel C. Salomon wrote:
>> Guess I asked for too much at once.
>>
>> I've downloaded the Gentium Basic/Basic Book set of fonts from
>> <http://scripts.sil.org/Gentium_basic>, and I'd like to use them with
>> ConTeXt.  I ran texfont (with the command line texfont
>> --fontroot=c:\users\chesky\programs\context\tex\texmf-local
>> --sourcepath=... --vendor=sil --collection=gentium --makepath
>> --install), and now running texexec on the newly generated
>> texnansi-sil-gentium.tex produces some sort of glyph list.
>
> Rather than using texfont (half-broken anyway), use XeTeX or LuaTeX.
>
> (If you're using MikTeX and are willing to upgrade to MikTeX 2.7, you
> can process your documents with "texexec --xtx filename"; if you're
> using the standalone ConTeXt, you can process it with "--xtx" or
> "--lua".)
>
> Depending on whether you want to install those fonts or keep them in
> the tree there are slightly different approaches, but this should work
> for both LuTeX and XeTeX if you keep your files in the working
> directory or in texmf/fonts/opentype/...[somewhere here]...
>
> \starttypescript[serif][gentium-basic]
> \definefontsynonym[GentiumBasic]          [file:GenBasR]  
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicItalic]    [file:GenBasI]  
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBold]      [file:GenBasB]  
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBoldItalic][file:GenBasBI] 
> [features=default]
> \stoptypescript
>
> \starttypescript[serif][gentium-basic][name]
> \definefontsynonym[Serif]          [GentiumBasic]
> \definefontsynonym[SerifItalic]    [GentiumBasicItalic]
> \definefontsynonym[SerifBold]      [GentiumBasicBold]
> \definefontsynonym[SerifBoldItalic][GentiumBasicBoldItalic]
> \stoptypescript
>
> \definetypeface[mygentium][rm][serif][gentium-basic][default]
>
> \setupbodyfont[mygentium,13pt]
>
>
> I don't know how you plan to mix those fonts, but "reverting to
> another typeface in case a glyph is missing" is a bad idea in this
> particular case, at least in my opinion (although it's conditionally
> doable) - how are you going to handle missing characters in bold
> typeface?
>
> One possibility would be to use:
> - Gentium for Roman & Italic
> - Gentium Basic for Bold & Bold Italic (and hope that you won't need
> any special characters for titles)
>
> Mojca
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Re: Gentium Basic/Book

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Nov 22, 2007 12:01 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> Hi Mojca,
>
> I tried your example below and struggled in path error:
>
> %\starttypescript[serif][gentium-basic]
> %\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasic]          [file:GenBasR]
> [features=default]
> %\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicItalic]    [file:GenBasI]
> [features=default]
> %\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBold]      [file:GenBasB]
> [features=default]
> %\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBoldItalic][file:GenBasBI]
> [features=default]
> %\stoptypescript
>
> %\starttypescript[serif][gentium-basic][name]
> %\definefontsynonym[Serif]          [GentiumBasic]
> %\definefontsynonym[SerifItalic]    [GentiumBasicItalic]
> %\definefontsynonym[SerifBold]      [GentiumBasicBold]
> %\definefontsynonym[SerifBoldItalic][GentiumBasicBoldItalic]
> %\stoptypescript
>
> %\definetypeface[mygentium][rm][serif][gentium-basic][default]
>
> %\setupbodyfont[mygentium,36pt]
>
>
> \font\rom="Gentium Basic" at 36pt
>
> \starttext
>
> Test WQG 0196
>
> \rom Test WQG 0196
>
> \stoptext
>
>
> Doing it like this works OK.
> But uncommenting the lines above ends up in ...
>
> kpathsea: Running mktexmf GenBasR
>
> ! I can't find file `GenBasR'.
>
>
> But isn't it the same font/file adressed in both cases?
>
> (sorry, I am an absolute beginner in xetex)

No, my typescripts defile the font to be
    GenBasR.otf or GenBasR.ttf

Apparently you have installed the font (I provided the example for the
case when one puts fonts in TEXMF tree). In that case you need (for
LuaTeX you might need to provide other names - not sure)

\starttypescript[serif][gentium-basic]
\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasic]          [name:Gentium Basic]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicItalic]    [name:Gentium Basic/I]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBold]      [name:Gentium Basic/B]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBoldItalic][name:Gentium Basic/BI]
[features=default]
\stoptypescript

or, even more simple would be the following one-liner:
    \definetypeface[mygentium][rm][Xserif][Gentium Basic][default]


Mojca
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Re: Gentium Basic/Book

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 22.11.2007 um 12:30 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:

> or, even more simple would be the following one-liner:
>     \definetypeface[mygentium][rm][Xserif][Gentium Basic][default]


So do you mean like this?

\definetypeface[mygentium][rm][Xserif][Gentium Basic][default]
%\setupbodyfont[mygentium,36pt]

\starttext

Test WQG 0196

\stoptext



When I uncomment the second line the typesetting process stops after  
the log entry
(/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/base/type-xtx.tex)

  for about 13 seconds and finally ends up in

Output written on xetex_gentium_1.xdv (1 page, 1672 bytes).
Transcript written on xetex_gentium_1.log.
TeXExec | runtime: 18.589679


Now I am curious what else I am missing ...

Steffen
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Re: Gentium Basic/Book

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Now I also tried the first version that Moija mentioned (put the font  
in the tree), same result - 13 seconds pause, no output.

I am running ConTeXt  ver: 2007.10.03 12:52 MKII  fmt: 2007.11.22   
int: english/english


st.
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Re: Gentium Basic/Book

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 13:52:16 +0100
Steffen Wolfrum <context@st.estfiles.de> wrote:

> 
> Am 22.11.2007 um 12:30 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
> 
> > or, even more simple would be the following one-liner:
> >     \definetypeface[mygentium][rm][Xserif][Gentium Basic][default]
> 
> 
> So do you mean like this?
> 
> \definetypeface[mygentium][rm][Xserif][Gentium Basic][default]
> %\setupbodyfont[mygentium,36pt]
> 
> \starttext
> 
> Test WQG 0196
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> 
> 
> When I uncomment the second line the typesetting process stops after  
> the log entry
> (/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/base/type-xtx.tex)
> 
>   for about 13 seconds and finally ends up in
> 
> Output written on xetex_gentium_1.xdv (1 page, 1672 bytes).
> Transcript written on xetex_gentium_1.log.
> TeXExec | runtime: 18.589679
> 
> 
> Now I am curious what else I am missing ...
> 
> Steffen

The following works for me with LuaTeX and XeTeX. I had my test
file in the same directory as the fonts, can you try this or you
forgot to call "fc-cache -v -r".

\starttypescript[serif][gentium-basic]
\definefontsynonym[Serif]          [GentiumBasic]
\definefontsynonym[SerifItalic]    [GentiumBasicItalic]
\definefontsynonym[SerifBold]      [GentiumBasicBold]
\definefontsynonym[SerifBoldItalic][GentiumBasicBoldItalic]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript[serif][gentium-basic]
\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasic]          [file:GenBasR] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicItalic]    [file:GenBasI] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBold]      [file:GenBasB] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBoldItalic][file:GenBasBI][features=default]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript[gentium-basic]
\definetypeface[gentium][rm][serif][gentium-basic][default]
\stoptypescript

\usetypescript[gentium-basic]
\setupbodyfont[gentium]

\starttext

\rm\input knuth\par
\it\input knuth\par
\bf\input knuth\par
\bi\input knuth

\stoptext

Wolfgang
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Re: Gentium Basic/Book (getting weird)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 22.11.2007 um 19:31 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

> \starttypescript[serif][gentium-basic]
> \definefontsynonym[Serif]          [GentiumBasic]
> \definefontsynonym[SerifItalic]    [GentiumBasicItalic]
> \definefontsynonym[SerifBold]      [GentiumBasicBold]
> \definefontsynonym[SerifBoldItalic][GentiumBasicBoldItalic]
> \stoptypescript
>
> \starttypescript[serif][gentium-basic]
> \definefontsynonym[GentiumBasic]          [file:GenBasR]  
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicItalic]    [file:GenBasI]  
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBold]      [file:GenBasB]  
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBoldItalic][file:GenBasBI] 
> [features=default]
> \stoptypescript
>
> \starttypescript[gentium-basic]
> \definetypeface[gentium][rm][serif][gentium-basic][default]
> \stoptypescript
>
> \usetypescript[gentium-basic]
> \setupbodyfont[gentium]
>
> \starttext
>
> \rm\input knuth\par
> \it\input knuth\par
> \bf\input knuth\par
> \bi\input knuth
>
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang



very, very strange.
your file as above works perfectly ... but have no font size specified?!

when I change \setupbodyfont[gentium]
to \setupbodyfont[gentium,12pt]
it works nevertheless. same for 11pt, 10pt, 9pt, 8pt, 7pt, 6pt, 5pt,  
4pt.

BUT: with all other font-sizes I end up in the same freeze process  
and no output!!

what the hell is going on?


steffen

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2007.10.03 12:52 MKII  fmt: 2007.11.22  int: english/english]

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Re: Gentium Basic/Book (getting weird)

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Nov 22, 2007 8:57 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>
> Am 22.11.2007 um 19:31 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
>
> > \starttypescript[serif][gentium-basic]
> > \definefontsynonym[Serif]          [GentiumBasic]
> > \definefontsynonym[SerifItalic]    [GentiumBasicItalic]
> > \definefontsynonym[SerifBold]      [GentiumBasicBold]
> > \definefontsynonym[SerifBoldItalic][GentiumBasicBoldItalic]
> > \stoptypescript
> >
> > \starttypescript[serif][gentium-basic]
> > \definefontsynonym[GentiumBasic]          [file:GenBasR]
> > [features=default]
> > \definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicItalic]    [file:GenBasI]
> > [features=default]
> > \definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBold]      [file:GenBasB]
> > [features=default]
> > \definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBoldItalic][file:GenBasBI]
> > [features=default]
> > \stoptypescript
> >
> > \starttypescript[gentium-basic]
> > \definetypeface[gentium][rm][serif][gentium-basic][default]
> > \stoptypescript
> >
> > \usetypescript[gentium-basic]
> > \setupbodyfont[gentium]
> >
> > \starttext
> >
> > \rm\input knuth\par
> > \it\input knuth\par
> > \bf\input knuth\par
> > \bi\input knuth
> >
> > \stoptext
> >
> > Wolfgang
>
>
>
> very, very strange.
> your file as above works perfectly ... but have no font size specified?!

12pt is the default size.

> when I change \setupbodyfont[gentium]
> to \setupbodyfont[gentium,12pt]
> it works nevertheless. same for 11pt, 10pt, 9pt, 8pt, 7pt, 6pt, 5pt,
> 4pt.
>
> BUT: with all other font-sizes I end up in the same freeze process
> and no output!!

ConTeXt has some weird ideas about how font sizes should work because
of CMR (still better than LaTeX which only supports 10, 11 and 12pt
though), so you might need sometning like
\definebodyfontenvironment[15.5pt] before using that size. Don't ask
me how it works though.

Mojca
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Re: Gentium Basic/Book (getting weird)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 22.11.2007 um 21:23 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:

> On Nov 22, 2007 8:57 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>
>> Am 22.11.2007 um 19:31 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
>>
>>> \starttypescript[serif][gentium-basic]
>>> \definefontsynonym[Serif]          [GentiumBasic]
>>> \definefontsynonym[SerifItalic]    [GentiumBasicItalic]
>>> \definefontsynonym[SerifBold]      [GentiumBasicBold]
>>> \definefontsynonym[SerifBoldItalic][GentiumBasicBoldItalic]
>>> \stoptypescript
>>>
>>> \starttypescript[serif][gentium-basic]
>>> \definefontsynonym[GentiumBasic]          [file:GenBasR]
>>> [features=default]
>>> \definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicItalic]    [file:GenBasI]
>>> [features=default]
>>> \definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBold]      [file:GenBasB]
>>> [features=default]
>>> \definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBoldItalic][file:GenBasBI]
>>> [features=default]
>>> \stoptypescript
>>>
>>> \starttypescript[gentium-basic]
>>> \definetypeface[gentium][rm][serif][gentium-basic][default]
>>> \stoptypescript
>>>
>>> \usetypescript[gentium-basic]
>>> \setupbodyfont[gentium]
>>>
>>> \starttext
>>>
>>> \rm\input knuth\par
>>> \it\input knuth\par
>>> \bf\input knuth\par
>>> \bi\input knuth
>>>
>>> \stoptext
>>>
>>> Wolfgang
>>
>>
>>
>> very, very strange.
>> your file as above works perfectly ... but have no font size  
>> specified?!
>
> 12pt is the default size.
>
>> when I change \setupbodyfont[gentium]
>> to \setupbodyfont[gentium,12pt]
>> it works nevertheless. same for 11pt, 10pt, 9pt, 8pt, 7pt, 6pt, 5pt,
>> 4pt.
>>
>> BUT: with all other font-sizes I end up in the same freeze process
>> and no output!!
>
> ConTeXt has some weird ideas about how font sizes should work...

but why do I have no problems to use:

\usetypescript[postscript][\defaultencoding]
\setupencoding[default=texnansi]

\setupbodyfont[postscript,10.75pt]

\starttext

\rm\input knuth\par
\it\input knuth\par
\bf\input knuth\par
\bi\input knuth

\stoptext


Is it "only" a problem of third-party-fonts? Or ConTeXt documents  
typeset with XeTeX?

Steffen 
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Re: Gentium Basic/Book

[Joel C. Salomon]

On Nov 22, 2007 1:31 PM, Wolfgang Schuster
<schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:
> The following works for me with LuaTeX and XeTeX. I had my test
> file in the same directory as the fonts, can you try this or you
> forgot to call "fc-cache -v -r".

I ran "fc-cache -v -r", and that typescript worked for me, but I
couldn't make the one-liner work.  Does it require some ConTeXt magic
that I'm not calling?

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Re: Gentium Basic/Book (getting weird)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

As this strange error makes me a bit nervous I checked an older file  
for its behavior: same result!

A file that without problems was typeset in April now ends up with  
the same kind of freezing:

\usetypescriptfile[type-gyr]
\usetypescript[times][ec]
\mainlanguage[de]
\enableregime[utf]

\setupbodyfont[times,10pt] \setupinterlinespace[line=12pt]

\starttext

Wort und Tat in 1906

\stoptext



When this is set with pdftext all is fine.
With xetex (or xtx) the process stop at this line:

(/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/base/type- 
gyr.tex))! unknown encoding "utf"; reading as raw bytes


for 29 second (!) and ends up without producing the pdf:

Output written on test_1.xdv (1 page, 1628 bytes).
Transcript written on test_1.log.
TeXExec | runtime: 30.596294

What went wrong?

Help!



Steffen

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Re: Gentium Basic/Book (getting weird)

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 21:23:44 +0100
"Mojca Miklavec" <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 22, 2007 8:57 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> >
> > Am 22.11.2007 um 19:31 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
> >
> > > \starttypescript[serif][gentium-basic]
> > > \definefontsynonym[Serif]          [GentiumBasic]
> > > \definefontsynonym[SerifItalic]    [GentiumBasicItalic]
> > > \definefontsynonym[SerifBold]      [GentiumBasicBold]
> > > \definefontsynonym[SerifBoldItalic][GentiumBasicBoldItalic]
> > > \stoptypescript
> > >
> > > \starttypescript[serif][gentium-basic]
> > > \definefontsynonym[GentiumBasic]          [file:GenBasR]
> > > [features=default]
> > > \definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicItalic]    [file:GenBasI]
> > > [features=default]
> > > \definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBold]      [file:GenBasB]
> > > [features=default]
> > > \definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBoldItalic][file:GenBasBI]
> > > [features=default]
> > > \stoptypescript
> > >
> > > \starttypescript[gentium-basic]
> > > \definetypeface[gentium][rm][serif][gentium-basic][default]
> > > \stoptypescript
> > >
> > > \usetypescript[gentium-basic]
> > > \setupbodyfont[gentium]
> > >
> > > \starttext
> > >
> > > \rm\input knuth\par
> > > \it\input knuth\par
> > > \bf\input knuth\par
> > > \bi\input knuth
> > >
> > > \stoptext
> > >
> > > Wolfgang
> >
> >
> >
> > very, very strange.
> > your file as above works perfectly ... but have no font size specified?!
> 
> 12pt is the default size.
> 
> > when I change \setupbodyfont[gentium]
> > to \setupbodyfont[gentium,12pt]
> > it works nevertheless. same for 11pt, 10pt, 9pt, 8pt, 7pt, 6pt, 5pt,
> > 4pt.
> >
> > BUT: with all other font-sizes I end up in the same freeze process
> > and no output!!
> 
> ConTeXt has some weird ideas about how font sizes should work because
> of CMR (still better than LaTeX which only supports 10, 11 and 12pt
> though), so you might need sometning like
> \definebodyfontenvironment[15.5pt] before using that size. Don't ask
> me how it works though.
> 
> Mojca

ConTeXt has a few pedefined font size, they are 4pt, 5pt, 6pt, 7pt,
8pt, 9pt, 10pt, 11pt, 12pt, 14.4p and  17.3pt (taken from type-size)
but I thought they are only used to take care of the the relative font
sizes like small, big, \tfx ...

I can choose on my system any font size I like with XeTeX and LuaTeX
but XeTeX seems to have a problem with Latin Modern Typewriter in
nonstandard sizes.

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Re: Gentium Basic/Book (getting weird)

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Nov 23, 2007 11:53 AM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> As this strange error makes me a bit nervous I checked an older file
> for its behavior: same result!
>
> A file that without problems was typeset in April now ends up with
> the same kind of freezing:
>
> \usetypescriptfile[type-gyr]

you don't need that one for XeTeX, I think.

> \usetypescript[times][ec]

It's still not clear to me how to make these definition
engine-independent, but for XeTeX use

\usetypescript[times]

else you'll get the old ec-encoded fonts instead of OpenType.

> \mainlanguage[de]
> \enableregime[utf]
>
> \setupbodyfont[times,10pt] \setupinterlinespace[line=12pt]
>
> \starttext
>
> Wort und Tat in 1906
>
> \stoptext
>
> When this is set with pdftext all is fine.
> With xetex (or xtx) the process stop at this line:
>
> (/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/base/type-
> gyr.tex))! unknown encoding "utf"; reading as raw bytes

Sorry, my fault again.

For you: to solve the problem temporary, remove \enableregime, or use

\beginOLDTEX
    \enableregime[utf]
\endOLDTEX

or try to fix this line in regi-ini.mkii (and test the behavior):
    \def\mkenableregime#1{\doifnot{#1}{utf}{\XeTeXinputencoding "#1"\relax}}


For Hans: There's a little problem in regi-ini:

    \def\mkenableregime#1{\XeTeXinputencoding "#1"\relax}

\def\enableregime[#1]%
  {\edef\currentregime{\trueregimename{#1}}%
   \doifelsenothing\currentregime
     {\disableregime}
     {\douseregime\currentregime
      \mkenableregime\currentregime}}

This passes \XeTeXinputencoding "utf" to XeTeX, even is someone says
\enableregime[utf-8], but XeTeX doesn't know what "utf" encoding is
(it expects at least "utf-8" or nothing).

The following fix helps, but is not the final answer:

\def\mkenableregime#1{\doifnot{#1}{utf}{\XeTeXinputencoding "#1"\relax}}

This has one weak point though:
    \enableregime[cp1250]
    \enableregime[utf-8]
will leave the current regime at cp1250, so perhaps

\def\mkenableregime#1{\doifelse{#1}{utf}%
{\XeTeXinputencoding "utf-8"\relax}{\XeTeXinputencoding "#1"\relax}}

Another option would be to rename utf to utf-8 internally (or to adapt
\trueregimename or regi-syn), but that would probably do more harm
than good unless tested well, and it's not worth the effort.

... Hmmm .... when thinking agin ... I know that you asked me which
regime name to pass to XeTeX and I said "don't worry, it should be
more or less the same", but "8859-1" isn't valid regime name either.
I'll take a look and report back.

Mojca
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Re: Gentium Basic/Book (getting weird)

[Arthur Reutenauer]

> ... Hmmm .... when thinking agin ... I know that you asked me which
> regime name to pass to XeTeX and I said "don't worry, it should be
> more or less the same", but "8859-1" isn't valid regime name either.
> I'll take a look and report back.

  The recent archives from the XeTeX list seem to yield
\XeTeXinputencoding{utf8} or \XeTeXinputencoding "ISO-8859-1". I assume
that both syntaxes are recognized by XeTeX (with curly braces or double quotes).

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Re: Gentium Basic/Book (getting weird)

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Nov 23, 2007 3:11 PM, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
> > ... Hmmm .... when thinking agin ... I know that you asked me which
> > regime name to pass to XeTeX and I said "don't worry, it should be
> > more or less the same", but "8859-1" isn't valid regime name either.
> > I'll take a look and report back.
>
>   The recent archives from the XeTeX list seem to yield
> \XeTeXinputencoding{utf8} or \XeTeXinputencoding "ISO-8859-1". I assume
> that both syntaxes are recognized by XeTeX (with curly braces or double quotes).

No, it's not about the syntax, but rather about the list of accepted
names for input encodings.

Apart from those three in regi-syn (only left for backward-compatibility):
    \defineregimesynonym [windows]      [cp1252]
    \defineregimesynonym [grk]          [8859-7]
    \defineregimesynonym [iso88595]     [8859-5]
and maybe some others in regi-cyp/cyr, XeTeX seems to accept a wide
variety of names, so I would suggest the following fix in
regi-ini.mkii:

\beginXETEX

% no idea what these do, but may be left if needed:
    \let\mkloadregime   \gobbleoneargument
    \let\mkenableregime \gobbleoneargument
    \let\mkwalkregime   \gobbleoneargument
    \let\mkautosetregime\gobbletwoarguments

    % sets input encoding to whatever the user asks for. utf is mapped to utf-8
    \def\enableregime[#1]%
       {\doifelse{#1}{utf}%
           {\message{Specifying UTF-8 input encoding/regime is not
needed in XeTeX, but if you do it,}%
            \message{please use [backslash] enableregime[utf-8]
instead of [utf].}%
            \edef\currentregime{utf-8}}{\edef\currentregime{#1}}%
        \doifnot{\currentregime}{utf-8}{\message{You are highly
encouraged to switch over to UTF-8 input encoding.}}%
        \XeTeXinputencoding{\currentregime}%
        \message{Using input encoding/regime \currentregime}}

\endXETEX

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Re: Gentium Basic/Book (getting even weirder)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

OK, so I followed Mojca's tip and used this:

\usetypescriptfile[times]
\usetypescript[times]
\mainlanguage[de]
\setupbodyfont[times,10pt] \setupinterlinespace[line=12pt]
\starttext
Wort und Tat in 1906
\stoptext


But this takes about 95 (!) seconds to typeset with a lot of strange  
log entries:

)kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
regular:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
regular:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
regular:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
bold:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
bold:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
bold:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
italic:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
italic:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
italic:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
italic:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
italic:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
italic:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
bolditalic:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
bolditalic:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
bolditalic:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
bolditalic:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
bolditalic:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
bolditalic:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
regular:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;+smcp;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
regular:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;+smcp;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
regular:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;+smcp;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
regular:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
regular:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
bold:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
bold:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
italic:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
italic:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
italic:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
italic:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
bolditalic:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
bolditalic:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
bolditalic:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
bolditalic:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
regular:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;+smcp;': contains ':'
kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes- 
regular:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex- 
text;mapping=tex-text;+smcp;': contains ':'


Thers MUST be something wrong/missing!!!

Steffen

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Re: Gentium Basic/Book (getting weird)

[Arthur Reutenauer]

> No, it's not about the syntax, but rather about the list of accepted
> names for input encodings.

  Yes, I know, I only mentioned it in passing.

  Now for completeness' sake, the complete list of encodings accepted by
XeTeX's \XeTeXinputencoding seems to be:

  - A couple of special encodings handled by XeTeX internally (from
    xetexdir/XeTeX_ext.c in the source tree):

        auto
        utf8
        utf16   <- This one's meaning depends on the host platform's endianness
        utf16be
        utf16le
        bytes

  - A rather lengthly list of encodings handled by ICU, to be found at
    http://demo.icu-project.org/icu-bin/convexp with their complete
    conversion tables to Unicode (quite interesting and useful!).

	Arthur
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Re: Gentium Basic/Book (getting weird)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi Arthur,

can you tell me then what is wrong in my minimal example here (it  
work like a charm in April!)?

\usetypescriptfile[times]
\usetypescript[times]
\mainlanguage[de]

\setupbodyfont[times,10pt] \setupinterlinespace[line=12pt]

\font\Arab="Baghdad" at 10pt

\starttext

Zinedine Yazid Zidane (in arab {\Arab زين الدين يزيد  
زيدان,}), nicknamed Zizou

\stoptext

Steffen


Am 23.11.2007 um 20:28 schrieb Arthur Reutenauer:

>> No, it's not about the syntax, but rather about the list of accepted
>> names for input encodings.
>
>   Yes, I know, I only mentioned it in passing.
>
>   Now for completeness' sake, the complete list of encodings  
> accepted by
> XeTeX's \XeTeXinputencoding seems to be:
>
>   - A couple of special encodings handled by XeTeX internally (from
>     xetexdir/XeTeX_ext.c in the source tree):
>
>         auto
>         utf8
>         utf16   <- This one's meaning depends on the host  
> platform's endianness
>         utf16be
>         utf16le
>         bytes
>
>   - A rather lengthly list of encodings handled by ICU, to be found at
>     http://demo.icu-project.org/icu-bin/convexp with their complete
>     conversion tables to Unicode (quite interesting and useful!).
>
> 	Arthur
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Re: Gentium Basic/Book (getting weird)

[Arthur Reutenauer]

	Hello Steffen,

  Yes, it seems we have forgotten your original problem in the discussion ;-)

  I'm not sure I can really help, though, but:

> can you tell me then what is wrong in my minimal example here (it  
> work like a charm in April!)?

  Nothing is wrong with your input file, really, it's an (admittedly
annoying) side-effect of changes that have been made recently in
XeTeX-specific font selection options.  I have the same problem here
and, as frightening as XeTeX's messages may look, the output looks
right.  One thing: if you wish to typeset Arabic, you really have to say
\font\Arab="Baghdad:script=arab", and not only \font\Arab="Baghdad",
otherwise character shaping is not correctly done and the output is just messy.

  This behaviour needs to be fixed in ConTeXt but it's been around for a
while now so it's really not that easy (fixing some things will break
others, etc.).  It's quite unfortunate that you had to experience all
XeTeX+ConTeXt font problems at the same time, though, but judging from
the other recent mails to the list I have the impression that you're not
the only one today with weird problems and that everything seems to have
gone astray ;-)  I don't know, maybe it's just Weird Encoding Day; just
this morning I was experimenting with yet another variation on ispell
called hunspell, and I had the following extremely interesting crash
which I would like to call the Locale-of-Death:

	[Current locale is fr_FR.UTF-8]
	$ hunspell -d morph
	Hunspell 1.2.1
	[blah blah blah spell-checking ...]
	^C
	
	$ unset LC_ALL
	
	$ hunspell -d morph
	zsh: bus error (core dumped)  hunspell -d morph

  :-)


  	Arthur
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Re: Gentium Basic/Book (getting weird)

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Nov 23, 2007 8:36 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> Hi Arthur,
>
> can you tell me then what is wrong in my minimal example here (it
> work like a charm in April!)?
>
> \usetypescriptfile[times]

What exactly is written in type-times.tex? And what does log say?

Typescripts in XeTeX have been broken between February and September, so ... :)

Mojca

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(http://minimals.contextgarden.net/current/bin/xetex/)
PPS: I'm replying to the other thread on the XeTeX list with a
slightly longer explanation about the recent changes, but I'm
experiencing some problems with the keyboard, so it might take a while
before I finish it
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Re: Gentium Basic/Book (getting even weirder)

[Mojca Miklavec]

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On Nov 23, 2007 5:33 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> OK, so I followed Mojca's tip and used this:
>
> \usetypescriptfile[times]
> \usetypescript[times]
> \mainlanguage[de]
> \setupbodyfont[times,10pt] \setupinterlinespace[line=12pt]
> \starttext
> Wort und Tat in 1906
> \stoptext
>
>
> But this takes about 95 (!) seconds to typeset with a lot of strange
> log entries:
>
> )kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes-
> regular:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex-
> text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'

> Thers MUST be something wrong/missing!!!

Wait ... I have been reading in the wrong order: so it does work, only too slow?

Actually, being slow and those weird lines in log are "normal" for the
current imlementation - it's a price for flexibility over efficiency,
but being so inefficient that its flexibility is nearly "useless".

What happens if you:
- use the latest xetex (http://minimals.contextgarden.net/current/bin/xetex/)
- use the attached fixed file (it has been fixed a while ago, but Hans
hasn't released a new version yet)
- make sure that you have termes otf files
- only use

\usetypescript[times]
\mainlanguage[de]
\setupbodyfont[times,10pt] \setupinterlinespace[line=12pt]
\starttext
Wort und Tat in 1906
\stoptext

Mojca

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Re: Gentium Basic/Book (getting even weirder)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

It stays exactly the same: no improvement! (see below)


Am 24.11.2007 um 01:25 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:

> On Nov 23, 2007 5:33 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> OK, so I followed Mojca's tip and used this:
>>
>> \usetypescriptfile[times]
>> \usetypescript[times]
>> \mainlanguage[de]
>> \setupbodyfont[times,10pt] \setupinterlinespace[line=12pt]
>> \starttext
>> Wort und Tat in 1906
>> \stoptext
>>
>>
>> But this takes about 95 (!) seconds to typeset with a lot of strange
>> log entries:
>>
>> )kpathsea: Illegal fontname `texgyretermes-
>> regular:script=latn;language=dflt;+liga;+kern;mapping=tex-
>> text;mapping=tex-text;': contains ':'
>
>> Thers MUST be something wrong/missing!!!
>
> Wait ... I have been reading in the wrong order: so it does work,  
> only too slow?
>
> Actually, being slow and those weird lines in log are "normal" for the
> current imlementation - it's a price for flexibility over efficiency,
> but being so inefficient that its flexibility is nearly "useless".
>
> What happens if you:
> - use the latest xetex (http://minimals.contextgarden.net/current/ 
> bin/xetex/)

I did.

> - use the attached fixed file (it has been fixed a while ago, but Hans
> hasn't released a new version yet)


I had already (is exactly the same as in the distro).

> - make sure that you have termes otf files

I have texgyretermes...

> - only use
>
> \usetypescript[times]
> \mainlanguage[de]
> \setupbodyfont[times,10pt] \setupinterlinespace[line=12pt]
> \starttext
> Wort und Tat in 1906
> \stoptext


Ok did it, but nothing changes ...

Steffen
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Re: Gentium Basic/Book (getting weird)

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

> .... Hmmm .... when thinking agin ... I know that you asked me which
> regime name to pass to XeTeX and I said "don't worry, it should be
> more or less the same", but "8859-1" isn't valid regime name either.
> I'll take a look and report back.

ok, probably some trueregimename kind of mapping is needed

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Re: Gentium Basic/Book (getting even weirder)

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Nov 24, 2007 10:33 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>
> > - use the attached fixed file (it has been fixed a while ago, but Hans
> > hasn't released a new version yet)
>
> I had already (is exactly the same as in the distro).

I'm sorry. Something weird is happenning. You need to change these
lines (add "file:" prefix):

  \definefontsynonym [Times-Roman]       [file:texgyretermes-regular]
  [features=default]
  \definefontsynonym [Times-Italic]      [file:texgyretermes-italic]
  [features=default]
  \definefontsynonym [Times-Bold]        [file:texgyretermes-bold]
  [features=default]
  \definefontsynonym [Times-BoldItalic]
[file:texgyretermes-bolditalic] [features=default]
  \definefontsynonym [Times-Caps]        [file:texgyretermes-regular]
  [features=smallcaps]

and possibly remake the formats. Does that change anything? (Needs to
be changed in the distpibution as well.)

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Re: Gentium Basic/Book (getting even weirder)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 25.11.2007 um 02:30 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:

> On Nov 24, 2007 10:33 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>
>>> - use the attached fixed file (it has been fixed a while ago, but  
>>> Hans
>>> hasn't released a new version yet)
>>
>> I had already (is exactly the same as in the distro).
>
> I'm sorry. Something weird is happenning. You need to change these
> lines (add "file:" prefix):
>
>   \definefontsynonym [Times-Roman]       [file:texgyretermes-regular]
>   [features=default]
>   \definefontsynonym [Times-Italic]      [file:texgyretermes-italic]
>   [features=default]
>   \definefontsynonym [Times-Bold]        [file:texgyretermes-bold]
>   [features=default]
>   \definefontsynonym [Times-BoldItalic]
> [file:texgyretermes-bolditalic] [features=default]
>   \definefontsynonym [Times-Caps]        [file:texgyretermes-regular]
>   [features=smallcaps]
>
> and possibly remake the formats. Does that change anything? (Needs to
> be changed in the distpibution as well.)


Yes and No: it makes no improvement, it just changes the point where  
the typesetting process pauses/freezes.

Now it is after the line:
(/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/base/spec-xet.tex)
specials        : fdf,dpx loaded

After doing this the process stops for about 90 seconds (while Mac's  
processor shows heavy work!), afterwards TeXShop's console prints  
dozens of empty line and finally ends in:

(./test_1.tuo) (./test_1.tuo) (./test_1.tuo) (./test_1.tuo) (./ 
test_1.tuo)
(./test_1.tuo) (./test_1.tuo) (./test_1.tuo) (./test_1.tuo) (./ 
test_1.tuo)
(/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/base/sort-lan.tex
loading         : Context Sorting Macros (languages)
(/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/base/sort-lan.mkii))
(./test_1.tuo) (./test_1.tuo)
systems         : begin file test_1 at line 9
fonts           : resetting map file list
fonts           : using map file: original-base
fonts           : using map file: lm-math
fonts           : using map file: lm-rm
fonts           : using map file: original-youngryu-tx
[1.1]
** WARNING ** This .map file looks like a dvips format fontmap file.
** WARNING ** -- Current input buffer is: HoeflerTextOrnaments  
hoeflertextornaments <hoeflertextornaments.enc
** WARNING ** -- Reading fontmap file stopped at: file="dvipdfm.map",  
line=6.
stdin -> test_1.pdf
[1
** NOTICE: This document contains a `Preview & Print only' licensed  
font **
]
8986 bytes written

systems         : end file test_1 at line 13
  )
Output written on test_1.pdf (1 page).
Transcript written on test_1.log.
TeXExec | runtime: 95.782095

(The one-liner pdf that was produced in this  95 second looks ok,  
though. What will happen when some typesets a regular 400 pages book??)

Steffen 
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Re: Gentium Basic/Book (getting even weirder)

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Nov 25, 2007 12:21 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> Am 25.11.2007 um 02:30 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
> > On Nov 24, 2007 10:33 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> >>
> >>> - use the attached fixed file (it has been fixed a while ago, but
> >>> Hans
> >>> hasn't released a new version yet)
> >>
> >> I had already (is exactly the same as in the distro).
> >
> > I'm sorry. Something weird is happenning. You need to change these
> > lines (add "file:" prefix):
> >
> >   \definefontsynonym [Times-Roman]       [file:texgyretermes-regular]
> >   [features=default]
> >   \definefontsynonym [Times-Italic]      [file:texgyretermes-italic]
> >   [features=default]
> >   \definefontsynonym [Times-Bold]        [file:texgyretermes-bold]
> >   [features=default]
> >   \definefontsynonym [Times-BoldItalic]
> > [file:texgyretermes-bolditalic] [features=default]
> >   \definefontsynonym [Times-Caps]        [file:texgyretermes-regular]
> >   [features=smallcaps]
> >
> > and possibly remake the formats. Does that change anything? (Needs to
> > be changed in the distpibution as well.)
>
>
> Yes and No: it makes no improvement, it just changes the point where
> the typesetting process pauses/freezes.
>
> Now it is after the line:
> (/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/base/spec-xet.tex)
> specials        : fdf,dpx loaded
>
> After doing this the process stops for about 90 seconds (while Mac's
> processor shows heavy work!), afterwards TeXShop's console prints
> dozens of empty line and finally ends in:

Empty lines highly resemble the old XeTeX. Can you try to put
    \suppressfontnotfounderror\plusone
at the top of your document (only to see if your XeTeX is recent
enough to recognise the command).

> systems         : begin file test_1 at line 9
> fonts           : resetting map file list
> fonts           : using map file: original-base
> fonts           : using map file: lm-math
> fonts           : using map file: lm-rm
> fonts           : using map file: original-youngryu-tx
> [1.1]
> ** WARNING ** This .map file looks like a dvips format fontmap file.
> ** WARNING ** -- Current input buffer is: HoeflerTextOrnaments
> hoeflertextornaments <hoeflertextornaments.enc
> ** WARNING ** -- Reading fontmap file stopped at: file="dvipdfm.map",

What does
    locate dvipdfm.map
say? Can you send a few lines from that file? (It's weird ...)

> (The one-liner pdf that was produced in this  95 second looks ok,
> though. What will happen when some typesets a regular 400 pages book??)

The problem raises only once per typescript change, so unless one is
planning to switch typeface regularly, typesetting 400 pages would
take 95 seconds+normal processing time for 400 pages. I don't say that
is OK, but I don't experience that problem at the moment (though I
completely believe you, I only don't know where exactly it stops), so
I don't know how exactly to help.

Take a look into font-ini, uncomment the following lines and remake the formats:

          \ifx\xetextempfont\nullfontname
           \writestatus\m!fonts{fails #1: #2 (\xetextempfont)}%
            \expandafter\secondoftwoarguments
          \else
           \writestatus\m!fonts{succeeds #1: #2 (\xetextempfont)}%
            \expandafter\firstoftwoarguments

(Perhaps uncommenting these lines shold be done in the distro for some
period to make debugging easier.)

Mojca
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Re: Gentium Basic/Book [solved]

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 22.11.2007 um 21:23 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:

> ConTeXt has some weird ideas about how font sizes should work because
> of CMR (still better than LaTeX which only supports 10, 11 and 12pt
> though), so you might need sometning like
> \definebodyfontenvironment[15.5pt] before using that size. Don't ask
> me how it works though.


No, fortunately ConTeXt is better than we feared :o)

Now this works perfect:

\starttypescript[serif][gentium-basic]
\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasic]          [name:Gentium Basic] 
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicItalic]    [name:Gentium Basic/I] 
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBold]      [name:Gentium Basic/B] 
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym[GentiumBasicBoldItalic][name:Gentium Basic/BI] 
[features=default]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript[serif][gentium-basic][name]
\definefontsynonym[Serif]          [GentiumBasic]
\definefontsynonym[SerifItalic]    [GentiumBasicItalic]
\definefontsynonym[SerifBold]      [GentiumBasicBold]
\definefontsynonym[SerifBoldItalic][GentiumBasicBoldItalic]
\stoptypescript

\definetypeface[mygentium][rm][serif][gentium-basic][default]

\setupbodyfont[mygentium,36.85pt]

\starttext

Test WQG 0196

\stoptext


What I did was:
1) use XeTeX 0.997 (http://minimals.contextgarden.net/current/bin/ 
xetex/)
2) set MKTEXTFM = 0 in texmf.cnf
3) comment the HoeflerTextOrnaments line in dvipdfm.map


Now the killer-combo XeConTeXt is back to life, Halleluja!!!


Thank you all for your help,
and Good Night.

Steffen
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