From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/37847 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Wolfgang Schuster Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: TeX ligatures in XeTeX/LuaTeX: ``who needs them''? Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 00:11:03 +0100 Message-ID: <20071209001103.c134a089.schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> References: <6faad9f00712081404h160264b4h1802480d1140f32a@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1197158199 7841 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2007 23:56:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 23:56:39 +0000 (UTC) To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sun Dec 09 00:56:48 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J19XJ-0006mF-PO for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 00:56:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5FA1FD40; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 00:24:48 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04196-03-2; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 00:23:32 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9262E1FB0B; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 00:16:28 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3282B1FC78 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 00:13:38 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 32520-04-2 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 00:12:08 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2CF1FC57 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 00:11:29 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q2so1234266uge for ; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:11:07 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.86.49.13 with SMTP id w13mr3772758fgw.1197155467668; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:11:07 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from rover ( [84.149.68.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm1565511fge.2007.12.08.15.11.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:11:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-mingw32) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:37847 Archived-At: On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:26:48 -0500 (EST) Aditya Mahajan wrote: > On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > > > just wondering: how many ConTeXt-ers depend on ligatures such as: > > '' (double quote) and '' (two single quotes) -> right double quote > > `` -> left double quote > > In some old documents. In newer documents I use \quote and \quotation. > Then there are documents that need to move back and forth between latex > and context but for them I can easily define appropriate macros in latex. > > > ,, -> DOUBLE LOW-9 QUOTATION MARK We should jeep them for old times sake although I prefer quote and quotation in my document because this is more flexible (change with the language and I can also change the quotation style). > > or even more weird ones: > > !` -> inverted exclam > > ?` -> inverted question > > << -> LEFT POINTING GUILLEMET (never heard of that ligature) > > >> -> RIGHT POINTING GUILLEMET > > I have never used them. The two spain ligatures should vanish, I tried once to write [...]?`` in one of my documents and hated this behaviour. The other two ligatures for guillemets another odd things because I < in my document for every < in my source not a replacement. > > Some ligatures are handy indeed: > > -- -> endash > > --- -> emdash > > I use them all the time. Even though the utf encoded values can work here, > my editor (vim) using fixed width fonts, so it is easy to miss the > difference between hypehn, endash, and emdash (in the markup). So, I would > prefer them to be present. Keep them, they are to usefull. I could also agree to Aditya's explanation. > > ' -> right single quote (I'm, isn't etc.) > > I can automate the conversion of ' to the corresponding utf character > inside vim, so this is not really essential. However, IMO this should not > change. > > Aditya I nearly never need this in my documents but it is very usefull in I don't want to select the right character. This is also on of the points Word and Powerpoint users select the wrong character but TeX has always the right character :-) Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________