From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/37945 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=BCnster?= Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: mkiv Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:02:32 +0100 Message-ID: <20071212200232.GC6079@gaston.couberia.bzh> References: <47598E33.4050201@wxs.nl> <6faad9f00712081248y6e0da03fuef45d13da24bb988@mail.gmail.com> <475F0A31.2020204@wxs.nl> <20071212065006.GA26457@gaston.couberia.bzh> <74EF1468-6FA2-45E4-A1C2-872992F12E56@uni-bonn.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1197492064 23898 80.91.229.12 (12 Dec 2007 20:41:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:41:04 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Wed Dec 12 21:41:13 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J2YNr-000126-9a for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:40:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F6A1FC78; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:40:15 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13145-02-5; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:39:22 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933F71FB49; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:39:22 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24A01FAFB for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:39:18 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15204-03 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:38:41 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from smtp7-g19.free.fr (smtp7-g19.free.fr [212.27.42.64]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99ABB1FBC5 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:38:37 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from smtp7-g19.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp7-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9603228AF for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:38:35 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from gaston.couberia.bzh (c5850-a3-2-62-147-61-24.dial.proxad.net [62.147.61.24]) by smtp7-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B867E322897 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:38:34 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by gaston.couberia.bzh (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 280DA305B2; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:02:33 +0100 (CET) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <74EF1468-6FA2-45E4-A1C2-872992F12E56@uni-bonn.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:37945 Archived-At: On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 09:26:08AM +0100, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > > Another German, and I agree, too, with every point Peter makes. As an > addition: I would vote for keeping "` and "'. I know that > \quotation{ } is better and have been using it for a while now, but I > also know that many older documents still have the old quotes, and > when I began using TeX, they were considered standard. I think it's > better to gently convince users to switch to the better style, not > force them by breaking their documents. Hello, In general, I vote against keeping such features just for some old documents, because: - recompiling an old document with a recent ConTeXt-version, will give you problems in almost every case anyway, since ConTeXt is evolving constantly, old bug get fixed, new bugs come, workarounds have to be adapted - it's easy to translate old documents with tools like sed - it's easy to burn a CD-ROM with an old distribution to recompile old documents - it's easy to keep the pdf somewhere (that's what I do) Just to give you an example: my brother's thesis compiles fine with version 2007.01.12, but when I try it today, it stops with ! Missing \endcsname inserted. \def \dohandlemathpunctuation #1#2->\def \next {\csname \ifx \space \nexttoken #2... \??fs chemic, bib,typearea,chromato \ifundefined #1->\unless \ifcsname #1 \endcsname \truefilename #1->\ifundefined {\??fs #1} #1\else \truefilename {\csname \??f... ...hemic,bib,typearea,chromato} .} ... l.55 Cheers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________