* bibl-apa.tex wrong? @ 2008-05-26 21:52 Matej Barič 2008-05-27 6:36 ` Taco Hoekwater 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Matej Barič @ 2008-05-26 21:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context Hello, This (http://www.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/workshop/citapa.htm) and just about any other site I look at specifies publisher info as "<city, state>: <publisher name>", whereas bibl-apa.tex specifies it as "<publisher name>, <city, state>". Why is the file called bibl-apa.tex if it doesn't follow APA rules? Am I missing something thanks, Matej ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: bibl-apa.tex wrong? 2008-05-26 21:52 bibl-apa.tex wrong? Matej Barič @ 2008-05-27 6:36 ` Taco Hoekwater 2008-05-27 14:05 ` Tobias Burnus ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2008-05-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Matej Baric( wrote: > Hello, > This (http://www.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/workshop/citapa.htm) and > just about any other site I look at specifies publisher info as > "<city, state>: <publisher name>", whereas bibl-apa.tex specifies it > as "<publisher name>, <city, state>". > Why is the file called bibl-apa.tex if it doesn't follow APA rules? Am > I missing something Originally (years ago already), I reverse-engineered apalike from latex. It is quite possible I made a error there (or even that apalike had it wrong) but if no-one reports a bug it is not noticed. Also, I've had quite a few incorrect bug reports about the styles, so I am no longer all that eager to change them at a single bug report. Two questions: do you have a definitive source somewhere? and are there any other problems you see in bibl-apa.tex? Best wishes, Taco ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: bibl-apa.tex wrong? 2008-05-27 6:36 ` Taco Hoekwater @ 2008-05-27 14:05 ` Tobias Burnus 2008-05-27 15:16 ` David 2008-05-27 17:36 ` David 2 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Tobias Burnus @ 2008-05-27 14:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Taco Hoekwater wrote: >> This (http://www.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/workshop/citapa.htm) and >> just about any other site I look at specifies publisher info as >> "<city, state>: <publisher name>", whereas bibl-apa.tex specifies it >> as "<publisher name>, <city, state>". >> >> > Also, I've had quite a few incorrect bug reports about the styles, so > I am no longer all that eager to change them at a single bug report. > Two questions: do you have a definitive source somewhere? and are > there any other problems you see in bibl-apa.tex? > The definite source would be the APA style book (around 20 Euros). However, for the @book question, one finds an example at http://www.apastyle.org/tipweek100101.html Which reads: Merriam-Webster's collegiate dictionary (10th ed.). (1993). Springfield, MA: Merriam-Webster. Tobias ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: bibl-apa.tex wrong? 2008-05-27 6:36 ` Taco Hoekwater 2008-05-27 14:05 ` Tobias Burnus @ 2008-05-27 15:16 ` David 2008-05-27 17:36 ` David 2 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: David @ 2008-05-27 15:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Tue, 27 May 2008 08:36:57 +0200, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > Matej Baric( wrote: >> Hello, >> This (http://www.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/workshop/citapa.htm) and >> just about any other site I look at specifies publisher info as >> "<city, state>: <publisher name>", whereas bibl-apa.tex specifies it >> as "<publisher name>, <city, state>". >> Why is the file called bibl-apa.tex if it doesn't follow APA rules? Am >> I missing something > > Originally (years ago already), I reverse-engineered apalike from > latex. It is quite possible I made a error there (or even that > apalike had it wrong) but if no-one reports a bug it is not noticed. > > Also, I've had quite a few incorrect bug reports about the styles, so > I am no longer all that eager to change them at a single bug report. > Two questions: do you have a definitive source somewhere? and are > there any other problems you see in bibl-apa.tex? I've never used bibl-apa, but my wife has a copy of the official APA style book. I will check this point (carefully!) today or tomorrow, and respond again when I have the info. David ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: bibl-apa.tex wrong? 2008-05-27 6:36 ` Taco Hoekwater 2008-05-27 14:05 ` Tobias Burnus 2008-05-27 15:16 ` David @ 2008-05-27 17:36 ` David 2008-05-28 8:14 ` Taco Hoekwater 2 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: David @ 2008-05-27 17:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Tue, 27 May 2008 08:36:57 +0200, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > Matej Baric( wrote: >> Hello, >> This (http://www.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/workshop/citapa.htm) and >> just about any other site I look at specifies publisher info as >> "<city, state>: <publisher name>", whereas bibl-apa.tex specifies it >> as "<publisher name>, <city, state>". >> Why is the file called bibl-apa.tex if it doesn't follow APA rules? Am >> I missing something > > Originally (years ago already), I reverse-engineered apalike from > latex. It is quite possible I made a error there (or even that > apalike had it wrong) but if no-one reports a bug it is not noticed. > > Also, I've had quite a few incorrect bug reports about the styles, so > I am no longer all that eager to change them at a single bug report. > Two questions: do you have a definitive source somewhere? and are > there any other problems you see in bibl-apa.tex? The 5th edition of the APA Publication Manual is unambiguous on this point. Section 4.14, page 230, states: (note, I have transcribed their table of examples into plain text for easier reading in email) ____________________________________________________________ 4.14 Publication Information: Nonperiodicals (table of examples) Location, ST: Publisher. (example) Hillsdale, NJ: Erlbaum Location, Province, Country: Publisher. (example) Toronto, Ontario, Canada: University of Toronto Press. Location, Country: Publisher. (example) Oxford, England: Basil Blackwell. Major City: Publisher. (example) Amsterdam: Elsevier. (end table of examples) - Give the city and, if the city is not well known for publishing (see section 4.03) or could be confused with another location, the state or province (and/or country) where the publisher is located as noted on the title page of the book. Use U.S. Postal Service abbreviations for states (see Table 4.1). Use a colon after the location. - If the publisher is a university and the name of the state or province is included in the name of the university, do not repeat the state or province in the publisher location. - Give the name of the publisher in as brief a form as is intelligible. Write out the names of associations, corporations, and university presses, but omit superfluous terms, such as Publishers, Co., or INC., which are not required to identify the publisher. Retain the words Books and Press. - If two or more publisher locations are given, give the location listed first in the book or, if specified, the location of the publisher's home office. - Finish the element with a period. ____________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: bibl-apa.tex wrong? 2008-05-27 17:36 ` David @ 2008-05-28 8:14 ` Taco Hoekwater 2008-06-12 8:51 ` Taco Hoekwater 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2008-05-28 8:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users David wrote: > > > The 5th edition of the APA Publication Manual is unambiguous on this > point. Section 4.14, page 230, states: > > (note, I have transcribed their table of examples into plain text for > easier reading in email) Thanks a lot. I will wait a few days before releasing an updated version, in case someone find more issues, but there will be a new release about a week from now. Best wishes, Taco ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: bibl-apa.tex wrong? 2008-05-28 8:14 ` Taco Hoekwater @ 2008-06-12 8:51 ` Taco Hoekwater 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2008-06-12 8:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi, For all of you out there that wnat to help set up the new bibl-apa.tex, I have uploaded an experimental version of the bib module to the garden. http://modules.contextgarden.net/bib It already has some improvements, but it is (probably) not done yet. Corrections are welcome, either in tex source patches or as output specifications for particular bbl entries. Best wishes, Taco Taco Hoekwater wrote: > > > David wrote: >> >> >> The 5th edition of the APA Publication Manual is unambiguous on this >> point. Section 4.14, page 230, states: >> >> (note, I have transcribed their table of examples into plain text for >> easier reading in email) > > Thanks a lot. I will wait a few days before releasing an updated > version, in case someone find more issues, but there will be a new > release about a week from now. > > Best wishes, > Taco > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: bibl-apa.tex wrong?
@ 2008-05-27 11:44 Matej Barič
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From: Matej Barič @ 2008-05-27 11:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
> Originally (years ago already), I reverse-engineered apalike from
> latex. It is quite possible I made a error there (or even that
> apalike had it wrong) but if no-one reports a bug it is not noticed.
> Also, I've had quite a few incorrect bug reports about the styles, so
> I am no longer all that eager to change them at a single bug report.
> Two questions: do you have a definitive source somewhere? and are
> there any other problems you see in bibl-apa.tex
I see... well I'd be glad to go through whole APA style recommendation
and test bibl-apa.tex, but I'm no expert and currently I am really
busy for a few next weeks.
I don't have a definitive source, but just about any source I have
seen (including Wikipedia and my faculty rules) says bibl-apa.tex is
wrong in that case.
As I've started using ConTeXT just a few days ago I couldn't have seen
any other problems so far but I will collect them if I find them and
do a little more research on them.
So for now don't bother, but sometime in future I will definitely
contact you again if I have some more things to fix.
Thanks,
matej
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