From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/41503 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Arthur Reutenauer Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Luatex (actually Aleph) and Bidi_Mirrored chars in RTL mode Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:36:00 +0200 Message-ID: <20080610013600.GG18755@phare.normalesup.org> References: <20080609012128.GA8011@khaled-laptop> Reply-To: Mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1213061854 2610 80.91.229.12 (10 Jun 2008 01:37:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 01:37:34 +0000 (UTC) To: Mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Jun 10 03:38:16 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K5soP-00088Z-6h for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:38:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74F71FCBB; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:37:18 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00876-03-5; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:36:35 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF1B1FBBE; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:36:35 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5434B1FBBE for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:36:34 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00876-03-4 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:36:01 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from nef2.ens.fr (nef2.ens.fr [129.199.96.40]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FEA1FBBD for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:36:01 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from phare.normalesup.org (phare.normalesup.org [129.199.129.80]) by nef2.ens.fr (8.13.6/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id m5A1a1Wt046197 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:36:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Envelope-To: Original-Received: by phare.normalesup.org (Postfix, from userid 1008) id 041246A060C; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:36:00 +0200 (CEST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.1.4 (nef2.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:36:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:41503 Archived-At: > Also, we need not be too slavish: The Yudit author has pointed out areas = > where the bidi algorithm makes no sense or is deficient: > = > http://www.yudit.org/bidi/surprise.html To be honest, this page dates back to half a dozen years ago and reflects G=E1sp=E1r Sinai's positions at that time; there are hints that he has changed his mind at least slightly, as he started to make quite a scandal about possible "security problems" in the bidi algorithm and later backed off (http://yudit.org/security/). This is of course not to say that the bidi algorithm is perfect, because it's not, but I don't think that the link you quote makes a really strong point against it. In particular, I find that some of the recommandations Sinai criticizes are amazingly close to what we do in the TeX world ("formatting codes should be inserted" =3D> mark up the text with direction-switching commands, etc.) Arthur ___________________________________________________________________________= ________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-cont= ext webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________= ________