Setting up minimals (saw: Re: distro info)

Setting up minimals (saw: Re: distro info)

[Andrea Valle]

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Hi to all,

Ok, I'm going for minimals (hurray!)
>
> cd /path/to/some/folder
> rsync -ptv rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh .
> ./first-setup.sh


Perfect.
Under Applications now I have a ConTeXtMinimals folder containg  
relevant stuff (tex+bin folders, a .lua and the .sh file).

>
> Alternatively, you may use
>
> cd /path/to/some/folder
> . setuptex

I'd prefer to go with this, locally.
So in terminal I did:
cd /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/ . setuptex

ahem,
- what have I to do now?

andrea:/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals andreavalle$ context
-bash: context: command not found

- If I have understood, "context" calls luatex, am I right?

- I can call texexec but I'm not sure I'm calling the minimal one.

> System fonts on Mac should work by default since a few days ago.

- This means I can use something like this if I call the xtx switch?:

\definetypeface[Optima][rm][Xserif][Optima]
\definetypeface[Optima][tt][Xmono][LM Typewriter Regular]
\definetypeface[Garamond][rm][Xserif][Garamond]
\setupbodyfont[Optima]

- How does font selection work under luatex?

- What have I to do to use bibtex?

Many thanks

>
> Mojca
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I did this interview where I just mentioned that I read Foucault. Who  
doesn't in university, right? I was in this strip club giving this  
guy a lap dance and all he wanted to do was to discuss Foucault with  
me. Well, I can stand naked and do my little dance, or I can discuss  
Foucault, but not at the same time; too much information.
(Annabel Chong)



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Andrea Valle
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"
Think of it as seasoning
. noise [salt] is boring
. F(blah) [food without salt] can be boring
. F(noise, blah) can be really tasty
"
(Ken Perlin on noise)






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Re: Setting up minimals (saw: Re: distro info)

[David]

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:00:10 +0200, Andrea Valle wrote:

> Hi to all,
> 
> Ok, I'm going for minimals (hurray!)
>> 
>> cd /path/to/some/folder
>> rsync -ptv rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh .
>> ./first-setup.sh
> 
> 
> Perfect.
> Under Applications now I have a ConTeXtMinimals folder containg 
> relevant stuff (tex+bin folders, a .lua and the .sh file).
> 
>> 
>> Alternatively, you may use
>> 
>> cd /path/to/some/folder
>> . setuptex
> 
> I'd prefer to go with this, locally.
> So in terminal I did:
> cd /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/ . setuptex
> 
> ahem,
> - what have I to do now?
> 
> andrea:/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals andreavalle$ context
> -bash: context: command not found

Open a new terminal window
and do

. /context/tex/setuptex /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex

Then you can use ConTeXt, in that window only. You have to do this step 
every time. OR, you can add the same line into your .profile ; then 
setuptex will be performed automatically every time you open a new 
terminal window. (If you plan to use another TeX installation very 
often, the .profile method might not be convenient. For me it works 
fine.)

David
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Re: Setting up minimals (saw: Re: distro info)

[Andrea Valle]

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> and do
>
> . /context/tex/setuptex /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex
>

andrea:~ andreavalle$ . /context/tex/setuptex /Applications/ 
ConTeXtMinimals/tex
-bash: /context/tex/setuptex: No such file or directory

Doesn't work here

>  (If you plan to use another TeX installation very
> often, the .profile method might not be convenient. For me it works
> fine.)

Yes, I'd prefer changing ech time


Many thanks

best

-a-

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"
Think of it as seasoning
. noise [salt] is boring
. F(blah) [food without salt] can be boring
. F(noise, blah) can be really tasty
"
(Ken Perlin on noise)






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Re: Setting up minimals (saw: Re: distro info)

[Aditya Mahajan]

Quoting Andrea Valle <valle@di.unito.it>:

>
>> and do
>>
>> . /context/tex/setuptex /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex
>>
>
> andrea:~ andreavalle$ . /context/tex/setuptex /Applications/  
> ConTeXtMinimals/tex
> -bash: /context/tex/setuptex: No such file or directory
>
> Doesn't work here

You have to do:

$ . path-to-setuptex/setuptex  
path-to-the-dir-containing-texmf-texmf-context-etc.

If the command works, type

$ echo $TEXMFMAIN

$ which texmfstart
$ which texexec
$ which context

To see whether the path is correctly set. If which context returns  
nothing, search for file "context" (I don't know how to search for  
files on a Mac, but I am sure there is an easy way to do it) to see if  
it is present in the correct location.

Aditya

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Re: Setting up minimals (saw: Re: distro info)

[David]

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:30:19 +0200, Andrea Valle wrote:

> 
>> and do
>> 
>> . /context/tex/setuptex /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex
>> 
> 
> andrea:~ andreavalle$ . /context/tex/setuptex 
> /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex
> -bash: /context/tex/setuptex: No such file or directory
> 
> Doesn't work here
> 
>>  (If you plan to use another TeX installation very
>> often, the .profile method might not be convenient. For me it works
>> fine.)
> 
> Yes, I'd prefer changing ech time



I'm an idiot, sorry. Try using this line instead:

. /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/setuptex 
/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex




I hope I'm not still an idiot.  :-)

David
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Re: Setting up minimals (saw: Re: distro info)

[David]

You might also need to add /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/bin to your 
PATH

That can be done by adding the following two lines to your .profile:

PATH="/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/bin:${PATH}"
export PATH


David
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Re: Setting up minimals (saw: Re: distro info)

[Andrea Valle]

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>
> . /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/setuptex
> /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex


Ah, ok, it's a single line.


> If the command works, type
>
> $ echo $TEXMFMAIN
>
> $ which texmfstart
> $ which texexec
> $ which context

Perfect, all seems to work

Thanks David, Aditya.

So back to the other questions

- This means I can use something like this if I call the xtx switch?:

\definetypeface[Optima][rm][Xserif][Optima]
\definetypeface[Optima][tt][Xmono][LM Typewriter Regular]
\definetypeface[Garamond][rm][Xserif][Garamond]
\setupbodyfont[Optima]

- How does font selection work under luatex?

- What have I to do to use bibtex?

Many thanks

Best
-a-


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Università degli Studi di Torino
--> http://www.cirma.unito.it/andrea/
--> http://www.myspace.com/andreavalle
--> andrea.valle@unito.it
--------------------------------------------------


"
Think of it as seasoning
. noise [salt] is boring
. F(blah) [food without salt] can be boring
. F(noise, blah) can be really tasty
"
(Ken Perlin on noise)






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Re: Setting up minimals (saw: Re: distro info)

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Andrea Valle wrote:

> Perfect, all seems to work

Great. If you found certain instructions on the wiki confusing, please add 
details there.

> So back to the other questions
>
> - This means I can use something like this if I call the xtx switch?:
>
> \definetypeface[Optima][rm][Xserif][Optima]
> \definetypeface[Optima][tt][Xmono][LM Typewriter Regular]
> \definetypeface[Garamond][rm][Xserif][Garamond]
> \setupbodyfont[Optima]
>
> - How does font selection work under luatex?

I don't know font selection in XeTeX, and understand font selection in 
luatex only marginally, so I'll let someone else answer this.

> - What have I to do to use bibtex?

Suppose your file is called thesis.tex (Ok, I had to test things to ensure 
what I was saying was true, and that is the only test file that I have 
currently :). Now run
 	$context thesis
This will create a lot of warnings about missing references, ignore them. 
Then run
 	$bibtex thesis
This will create tesis.bbl. Now run context, and all those warnings will 
be gone. You only need to run bibtex once (unless you change your bib 
file).

This situation is temporary. When Hans implements intermediate run's in 
mtxrun, you will not need to run bibtex by hand.

Aditya


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Re: Setting up minimals (saw: Re: distro info)

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:43 AM, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Andrea Valle wrote:
>
>> Perfect, all seems to work
>
> Great. If you found certain instructions on the wiki confusing, please add
> details there.
>
>> So back to the other questions
>>
>> - This means I can use something like this if I call the xtx switch?:
>>
>> \definetypeface[Optima][rm][Xserif][Optima]
>> \definetypeface[Optima][tt][Xmono][LM Typewriter Regular]
>> \definetypeface[Garamond][rm][Xserif][Garamond]
>> \setupbodyfont[Optima]
>>
>> - How does font selection work under luatex?
>
> I don't know font selection in XeTeX, and understand font selection in
> luatex only marginally, so I'll let someone else answer this.

I never used the short definition for XeTeX but fonts defined with the longer
form can be used with XeTeX and LuaTeX, you could use the same typescripts.

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Mark_IV#A_.28Complete.29_Typescript_Example
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080413.111450.d1603396.en.html
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080609.010650.0b8f9e15.en.html

You can find more threads in the list archive.

>> - What have I to do to use bibtex?
>
> Suppose your file is called thesis.tex (Ok, I had to test things to ensure
> what I was saying was true, and that is the only test file that I have
> currently :). Now run
>        $context thesis
> This will create a lot of warnings about missing references, ignore them.
> Then run
>        $bibtex thesis
> This will create tesis.bbl. Now run context, and all those warnings will
> be gone. You only need to run bibtex once (unless you change your bib
> file).
>
> This situation is temporary. When Hans implements intermediate run's in
> mtxrun, you will not need to run bibtex by hand.
>
> Aditya

Regards
Wolfgang
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Re: Setting up minimals (saw: Re: distro info)

[Andrea Valle]

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Thanks to all,

Added some stuff here on the things I'm doing.

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals

I have to say that I found some reduncy in mac infos (substantially I  
followed Mojca's post)

Obviously, please in case move/change the stuff

Best

-a-

>>

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"
Think of it as seasoning
. noise [salt] is boring
. F(blah) [food without salt] can be boring
. F(noise, blah) can be really tasty
"
(Ken Perlin on noise)






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Re: Setting up minimals (saw: Re: distro info)

[Andrea Valle]

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> Suppose your file is called thesis.tex (Ok, I had to test things to  
> ensure
> what I was saying was true, and that is the only test file that I have
> currently :). Now run
>  	$context thesis
> This will create a lot of warnings about missing references, ignore  
> them.
> Then run
>  	$bibtex thesis
> This will create tesis.bbl. Now run context, and all those warnings  
> will
> be gone. You only need to run bibtex once (unless you change your bib
> file).
>

So, it's like latex? Have I to specify that I'm using the bib module?
I mean, this:

\usemodule[bib]
\usemodule[bibltx]
\setupbibtex[database=semiotiche]

Best

-a-



> This situation is temporary. When Hans implements intermediate  
> run's in
> mtxrun, you will not need to run bibtex by hand.
>

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Andrea Valle
--------------------------------------------------
CIRMA - DAMS
Università degli Studi di Torino
--> http://www.cirma.unito.it/andrea/
--> http://www.myspace.com/andreavalle
--> andrea.valle@unito.it
--------------------------------------------------


"
Think of it as seasoning
. noise [salt] is boring
. F(blah) [food without salt] can be boring
. F(noise, blah) can be really tasty
"
(Ken Perlin on noise)






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Re: Setting up minimals (saw: Re: distro info)

[Andrea Valle]

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Many thanks Wolfgang.
The fact is that I'm not understanding what's going on...

Best

-a-

On 27 Jun 2008, at 08:15, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:43 AM, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu>  
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Andrea Valle wrote:
>>
>>> Perfect, all seems to work
>>
>> Great. If you found certain instructions on the wiki confusing,  
>> please add
>> details there.
>>
>>> So back to the other questions
>>>
>>> - This means I can use something like this if I call the xtx  
>>> switch?:
>>>
>>> \definetypeface[Optima][rm][Xserif][Optima]
>>> \definetypeface[Optima][tt][Xmono][LM Typewriter Regular]
>>> \definetypeface[Garamond][rm][Xserif][Garamond]
>>> \setupbodyfont[Optima]
>>>
>>> - How does font selection work under luatex?
>>
>> I don't know font selection in XeTeX, and understand font  
>> selection in
>> luatex only marginally, so I'll let someone else answer this.
>
> I never used the short definition for XeTeX but fonts defined with  
> the longer
> form can be used with XeTeX and LuaTeX, you could use the same  
> typescripts.
>
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Mark_IV#A_.28Complete. 
> 29_Typescript_Example
> http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/ 
> 20080413.111450.d1603396.en.html
> http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/ 
> 20080609.010650.0b8f9e15.en.html
>
> You can find more threads in the list archive.
>
>>> - What have I to do to use bibtex?
>>
>> Suppose your file is called thesis.tex (Ok, I had to test things  
>> to ensure
>> what I was saying was true, and that is the only test file that I  
>> have
>> currently :). Now run
>>        $context thesis
>> This will create a lot of warnings about missing references,  
>> ignore them.
>> Then run
>>        $bibtex thesis
>> This will create tesis.bbl. Now run context, and all those  
>> warnings will
>> be gone. You only need to run bibtex once (unless you change your bib
>> file).
>>
>> This situation is temporary. When Hans implements intermediate  
>> run's in
>> mtxrun, you will not need to run bibtex by hand.
>>
>> Aditya
>
> Regards
> Wolfgang
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--------------------------------------------------
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--> http://www.cirma.unito.it/andrea/
--> http://www.myspace.com/andreavalle
--> andrea.valle@unito.it
--------------------------------------------------


"
Think of it as seasoning
. noise [salt] is boring
. F(blah) [food without salt] can be boring
. F(noise, blah) can be really tasty
"
(Ken Perlin on noise)






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Re: Setting up minimals (saw: Re: distro info)

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Andrea Valle <valle@di.unito.it> wrote:
> Many thanks Wolfgang.
> The fact is that I'm not understanding what's going on...

You're not alone.

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Understanding_how_fonts_work_in_ConTeXt

Ask what do you want to know and we can fill the gaps.

Regards,
Wolfgang
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Re: Setting up minimals (saw: Re: distro info)

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Andrea Valle <valle@di.unito.it> wrote:
> Suppose your file is called thesis.tex (Ok, I had to test things to ensure
> what I was saying was true, and that is the only test file that I have
> currently :). Now run
>   $context thesis
> This will create a lot of warnings about missing references, ignore them.
> Then run
>   $bibtex thesis
> This will create tesis.bbl. Now run context, and all those warnings will
> be gone. You only need to run bibtex once (unless you change your bib
> file).
>
> So, it's like latex? Have I to specify that I'm using the bib module?

Unless you find a way to use the module without loading it \usemodule
the answer is yes ;-)

> I mean, this:
> \usemodule[bib]
> \usemodule[bibltx]
> \setupbibtex[database=semiotiche]

I'm not a expert for Tacos module but it should work without the second
module "bibltx".

The manual should answer all other questions:
http://modules.contextgarden.net/bib

Reagrs,
Wolfgang
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Re: Setting up minimals (saw: Re: distro info)

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Andrea Valle wrote:

>> Suppose your file is called thesis.tex (Ok, I had to test things to ensure
>> what I was saying was true, and that is the only test file that I have
>> currently :). Now run
>> 	$context thesis
>> This will create a lot of warnings about missing references, ignore them.
>> Then run
>> 	$bibtex thesis
>> This will create tesis.bbl. Now run context, and all those warnings will
>> be gone. You only need to run bibtex once (unless you change your bib
>> file).
>> 
>
> So, it's like latex?

Well, not exactly. Let me explain how bibtex works in latex, and then how 
it works in context.

In latex, you write \cite{ref1}, \cite{ref2}, etc. to cite a document, 
\bibliographystyle{style} to tell the style of the references, and 
\bibliography{bib-file} to tell the name of the bib database. When you run 
latex on this file, for each \cite{ref1} latex writes \citation{ref1} into 
the aux file; for \bibliographystyle{style} it writes \bibstyle{style} and 
for \bibliography{bib-file} it writes \bibdata{bib-file}. Latex aux file 
contains all sort of auxillary information, but bibtex only reconizes the 
about three commands. When you run bibtex, it translates the references 
included in \citation from the bib-file to latex markup, as specified by 
the style file. These are stored in the bbl file.

All these features are hardcoded in bibtex, so it makes it difficult to 
use bibtex with anything other than latex. The bib module exploits a 
feature in bibtex to make it work with context. If you write \cite{*} in 
your latex document, latex writes \citation{*} in the aux file, and bibtex 
translates *all* the enteries in the bib-file to latex markup. So, the bib 
module writes \citation{*} to the aux file. Next, in order to get the 
references in a manner that context can understand, Taco has written a bib 
style file that translates the bib file to \start \stop publication style.
So, in terms of interaction with bibtex, bib module creates a very simple 
aux file

\citation{*}
\bibstyle{cont-no}
\bibdata{bib-file}

When you run bibtex on this, bibtex translates *all* the references in 
your bib file to context markup. On the second run, the bib module reads 
these commands, and stores everything as registers internally and uses 
ConTeXt inbuilt functions for sorting etc.

> Have I to specify that I'm using the bib module?

Usually, you only need to do:

\usemodule[bib]
\setupbibtex[database=bib-file]
\setuppublications[alternative=ieee] % ieee is my own bib style
                                      % see documentation for other options

Normally (that is in mkii), context (rather texexec) runs bibtex after the 
first run behind the scenes. In mkiv running is not implemented in 
mtx-context script yet. So you need to run bibtex *once* after the first 
run. This will create the bbl file, which contains *all* your references 
in the bib file, so until you change your bib file, you do not need to run 
bibtex again. Again, this is temporary; once mtx-context allows for 
commands to be executed inbetween context runs, you will not need to run 
bibtex by hand.

> I mean, this:
>
> \usemodule[bibltx]

Normally you should not need to include the bibltx module. The bibltx 
module reads the bbl files created by bibtex for latex. Suppose you have 
an old latex project, and you only have its bbl file but not the bib file. 
Suppose you want to translate the project to context. 
Then rather than translating all your references back to bib 
format, the bibltx module allows you to use the bbl file created for 
latex. You should not need to do this for new projects.

> \setupbibtex[database=semiotiche]

Aditya
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