Problems with itemization, continued

Problems with itemization, continued

[Marcin Borkowski]

Hi, it's me again...

I managed to finish my first "serious" ConTeXt project (in fact, it was
a two-page math test for my wife, who teaches maths;)).

But I encountered quite a few problems with itemizations.  To sum it up,
I've prepared a minimal sample file illustrating them.  Here it is:

========= cut here =========                                                    
\def\testitemize#1#2#3{{\bf #1}\par
\startitemize #2
\item plplplpl
\item plplplpl
  \startitemize #3
  \item plplplpl
  \item plplplpl
  \item plplplpl
  \item plplplpl
  \item plplplpl
  \stopitemize
\item plplplpl
\stopitemize
{\bf Blah, blah.}
\page}

\starttext

\testitemize{Default values.  Works fine.}
            {}{}

\testitemize{Different numbering.  Results in overfull hboxes---???}
            {}{[a][left=(,right=),stopper=]}

\testitemize{Outer one packed.  Inner one gets also packed---is this
ok???}
            {[packed]}{}

\testitemize{Inner one packed.  Works fine.}
            {}{[packed]}

\testitemize{Both packed.  Works fine.}
            {[packed]}{[packed]}

\testitemize{Inner one joinedup.  Works as packed---???}
            {}{[joinedup]}

\testitemize{Inner one packed and joinedup.  Works as packed---???}
            {}{[packed,joinedup]}

\testitemize{Outer one joinedup.  Does this imply packed?}
            {[joinedup]}{}

\testitemize{Inner one twocolumn.  Why is this packed, too?}
            {}{[columns]}

\testitemize{Inner one 2-col and joinedup.  What about the space
  {\em after} the inner one?}
            {}{[joinedup,columns]}

\testitemize{Outer one twocolumn.  packed implied???}
            {[columns]}{}

\testitemize{Outer one 2-col. and joinedup.  packed implied (?), apart
  from that fine.}
            {[joinedup,columns]}{}

\stoptext
========= cut here =========

Most cases are wrong (or at least strange)---each page with at least one
question mark is something I can't understand.

Which ones are bugs and which ones are features?  What to do to overcome
these problems?

Also, I've noticed that the [intro] option does not _prohibit_ page
break---is that ok?  The manual (or wiki, I can't remember) says it
_discourages_ it---but shouldn't it prohibit it completely?

And one more: what is the difference between \page[yes] and
\page[makeup]?  I didn't notice any.

Hope you don't get fed up with me, folks...  I promise to put some
answers on the wiki soon (during the next few days).  Maybe I'll even
post a complete working file as a sample...  I hope that all my
questions (and your answers;)) will lead to a better typesetting tool...

Greets

-- 
Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.faculty.fmcs.amu.edu.pl)
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Re: Problems with itemization, continued

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Marcin Borkowski
<mbork@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl> wrote:
> Hi, it's me again...
>
> I managed to finish my first "serious" ConTeXt project (in fact, it was
> a two-page math test for my wife, who teaches maths;)).
>
> But I encountered quite a few problems with itemizations.  To sum it up,
> I've prepared a minimal sample file illustrating them.  Here it is:
>
> ========= cut here =========
> \def\testitemize#1#2#3{{\bf #1}\par
> \startitemize #2
> \item plplplpl
> \item plplplpl
>  \startitemize #3
>  \item plplplpl
>  \item plplplpl
>  \item plplplpl
>  \item plplplpl
>  \item plplplpl
>  \stopitemize
> \item plplplpl
> \stopitemize
> {\bf Blah, blah.}
> \page}
>
> \starttext
>
> \testitemize{Default values.  Works fine.}
>            {}{}
>
> \testitemize{Different numbering.  Results in overfull hboxes---???}
>            {}{[a][left=(,right=),stopper=]}

Use [a,broad][...] or [a][width=...,...] for the inner list.

> \testitemize{Outer one packed.  Inner one gets also packed---is this
> ok???}
>            {[packed]}{}

Yes but you could use [unpacked] for the inner list.

> \testitemize{Inner one packed.  Works fine.}
>            {}{[packed]}
>
> \testitemize{Both packed.  Works fine.}
>            {[packed]}{[packed]}
>
> \testitemize{Inner one joinedup.  Works as packed---???}
>            {}{[joinedup]}
>
> \testitemize{Inner one packed and joinedup.  Works as packed---???}
>            {}{[packed,joinedup]}
>
> \testitemize{Outer one joinedup.  Does this imply packed?}
>            {[joinedup]}{}
>
> \testitemize{Inner one twocolumn.  Why is this packed, too?}
>            {}{[columns]}
>
> \testitemize{Inner one 2-col and joinedup.  What about the space
>  {\em after} the inner one?}
>            {}{[joinedup,columns]}
>
> \testitemize{Outer one twocolumn.  packed implied???}
>            {[columns]}{}
>
> \testitemize{Outer one 2-col. and joinedup.  packed implied (?), apart
>  from that fine.}
>            {[joinedup,columns]}{}
>
> \stoptext
> ========= cut here =========
>
> Most cases are wrong (or at least strange)---each page with at least one
> question mark is something I can't understand.
>
> Which ones are bugs and which ones are features?  What to do to overcome
> these problems?
>
> Also, I've noticed that the [intro] option does not _prohibit_ page
> break---is that ok?  The manual (or wiki, I can't remember) says it
> _discourages_ it---but shouldn't it prohibit it completely?
>
> And one more: what is the difference between \page[yes] and
> \page[makeup]?  I didn't notice any.
>
> Hope you don't get fed up with me, folks...  I promise to put some
> answers on the wiki soon (during the next few days).  Maybe I'll even
> post a complete working file as a sample...  I hope that all my
> questions (and your answers;)) will lead to a better typesetting tool...

Wolfgang
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Re: Problems with itemization, continued

[Marcin Borkowski]

Dnia Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 08:56:54AM +0200, Wolfgang Schuster napisał(a):
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Marcin Borkowski
> <mbork@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl> wrote:
> > Hi, it's me again...
> >
> > I managed to finish my first "serious" ConTeXt project (in fact, it was
> > a two-page math test for my wife, who teaches maths;)).
> >
> > But I encountered quite a few problems with itemizations.  To sum it up,
> > I've prepared a minimal sample file illustrating them.  Here it is:
> >
> > ========= cut here =========
> > \def\testitemize#1#2#3{{\bf #1}\par
> > \startitemize #2
> > \item plplplpl
> > \item plplplpl
> >  \startitemize #3
> >  \item plplplpl
> >  \item plplplpl
> >  \item plplplpl
> >  \item plplplpl
> >  \item plplplpl
> >  \stopitemize
> > \item plplplpl
> > \stopitemize
> > {\bf Blah, blah.}
> > \page}
> >
> > \starttext
> >
 > \testitemize{Different numbering.  Results in overfull hboxes---???}
> >            {}{[a][left=(,right=),stopper=]}
> 
> Use [a,broad][...] or [a][width=...,...] for the inner list.

Thanks, it works - but still, for me it's a workaround; what if I don't
want it to be broad or to fiddle with widths (I didn't check the "width"
idea, I guess it's about explicitly giving the width of the "(a)" etc.;
but even without broad/width I'd expect it to work.)

(Not that I'm unhappy with ConTeXt in general, but as a user I'd like it
to be as good and usable as possible...)

> 
> > \testitemize{Outer one packed.  Inner one gets also packed---is this
> > ok???}
> >            {[packed]}{}
> 
> Yes but you could use [unpacked] for the inner list.

Thanks, it also works.  It isn't documented anywhere, I'm afraid - I'll
try to post this to the wiki.

The other ones are still mysterious to me.

Greets

-- 
Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.faculty.fmcs.amu.edu.pl)

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