From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/44944 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: emacs (was: Re: PhD Thesis in ConTeXt) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:18:09 +0200 Message-ID: <20081022061808.GA21389@atos.labs.wmid.amu.edu.pl> References: <20081021224645.GS29313@atos.labs.wmid.amu.edu.pl> <20081022053132.GA11737@gaston.couberia.bzh> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1224656393 17603 80.91.229.12 (22 Oct 2008 06:19:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:19:53 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Wed Oct 22 08:20:53 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KsX5Q-0005ln-8e for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:20:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75301FB95; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:19:43 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08068-04; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:18:48 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0401F1FB64; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:18:48 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4181FB64 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:18:45 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09329-05 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:18:09 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl (atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl [150.254.78.2]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77A21FA41 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:18:09 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EDA107AD28 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:18:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (PLD-Linux) at wmid.amu.edu.pl Original-Received: from atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id VgCaQ0BL-ttY for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:18:09 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 3884) id 4AC3B1011F61; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:18:09 +0200 (CEST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081022053132.GA11737@gaston.couberia.bzh> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:44944 Archived-At: Dnia Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 07:31:32AM +0200, Peter M=FCnster napisał(a): > On Wed, Oct 22 2008, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > = > > Well, my heart is breaking when I type this, but my beloved emacs;) has > > rather poor ConTeXt support... I use Emacs 22 with AUCTeX 11.84. Well, > > although it *works*, it is by no means convenient - at least not that > > convenient as an emacs should be;). > = > Hello Marcin, > = > What are the problems with emacs? Here is the (unordered) list of what I remember at the moment. * It almost never knows when to launch "View"; it almost always offers me to "ConTeXt" the file. * (This is probably related to the previous one.) When finished compilation, it says "ConTeXt: problems after {1} page." or something like this. * When finding files, it offers me to find not only the .tex file, but also all the .tui, .tuo stuff etc. by default, which is rather inconvenient. * It has no idea about most of ConTeXt commands, e.g., it tries to insert {} after ConTeXt commands put by C-c C-m. * Unlike when editing LaTeX files, it does not insert an \item when doing C-c C-e itemize. I use itemizations a lot and this is a bit annoying, especially that I got used to its behaior when doing LaTeX. Also, having C-c C-j asking about the (optional) label all the time is also tiring, I would prefer to be asked for it only with C-u C-c C-j. * Only recently I discovered the --arrange parameter for texexec, and the fact that AUCTeX does not know about it. * By default, being in dvi or pdf mode doesn't matter: you always end up with a pdf file. This is fine when you have a fast computer, but on low-end, older ones (like mine;)) xdvi is *a lot* faster than xpdf. I use the emacs & AUCTeX shipped with ubuntu 8.04. It seems that emacs comes preconfigured in this system in a rather stupid way, e.g., transient-mark-mode is on by default, which is not what I was used to. A skim through the initialization files shows, however, that the ubuntu people messed with almost everything but ConTeXt support, so this seems to be a general AUCTeX issue. I know that these are not *serious* problems; but the UX is poor with them... I plan to learn emacs lisp a bit in my spare time (though I almost forgot what "spare time" means;P), but I certainly won't do any serious hacking there. > Cheers, Peter > = > -- = > http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ Greets -- = Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl) - Is it a Perl program or a Perl script? - Well, a script is what you give the actors. A program is what you give the audience. (Larry Wall) ___________________________________________________________________________= ________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-cont= ext webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________= ________