From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/45052 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: PhD Thesis in ConTeXt Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:21:24 +0200 Message-ID: <20081023222124.GM21389@atos.labs.wmid.amu.edu.pl> References: <48FEEEAA.2836.003C.0@eumetsat.int> <200810222252.38277.alan.braslau@cea.fr> <49008C23.2000803@elvenkind.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1224800596 29246 80.91.229.12 (23 Oct 2008 22:23:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:23:16 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Oct 24 00:24:16 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Kt8bA-0002am-SS for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:24:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA211FC0D; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:23:01 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00029-03-4; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:22:02 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E931FB7F; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:22:01 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D967A1FB64 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:22:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00029-03-3 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:21:25 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl (atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl [150.254.78.2]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A151FB7F for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:21:24 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9933109F5E0 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:21:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (PLD-Linux) at wmid.amu.edu.pl Original-Received: from atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id l7-bzKXo80ph for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:21:24 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 3884) id 495D4109F13F; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:21:24 +0200 (CEST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49008C23.2000803@elvenkind.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:45052 Archived-At: Dnia Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 04:37:23PM +0200, Taco Hoekwater napisał(a): > > Hi, > > Aditya Mahajan wrote: > > On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Alan BRASLAU wrote: > > > >> My question to the mailing list: is this task structured? Is this being > >> managed by anyone? > > > > Unfortunately, not. > > Aditya's reply sums it up pretty well. I just want to add a quick note. > > After at least half a dozen reiterations of this discussion (and it > is indeed always exactly the same discussion), I have now reached the > point where I no longer feel the slightest need to take any action any > more. From where I stand, it seems that the unhappy people just want > to complain about, but are not willing to help improve the existing > documentation, and that the happy people just want to post pointers > but fail to see a real need to improve anything. I'm (relatively) new here (I've been subscribed to the list for a few years, but only recently started to use ConTeXt more seriously), but I'd like to take the risk and add my point of view. I miss a good documentation *a lot*. OTOH, if I were to choose among the uber-community and uber-manual, I'd prefer the first one (maybe that's why people prefer the status quo;)). I would love to help improve the existing docs, though. Having uber-manuals *and* uber-community would smash this poor LaTeX-thing out of the market;P. The question is: what do I do? I post something to the wiki from time to time, but I don't want to engage myself too much - I'm currently involved in at least one *big* project (which is, btw, connected with writing some LaTeX document classes); together with my work (doing and teaching mathematics) this takes *a lot* of time... What's more, I can't really help writing manuals for something I don't completely understand... > I myself would be much more willing to spend time on (managing|writing) > the manual if there were any people showing an active interest in it. Assume that I finally learn how to use that SVN thing and that I try (in some indefinite time, though) post my remarks on the existing docs, my examples of files so that they could be either introduced into the manuals or deemed non-ConTeXt-esque enough;) or my suggestions of rewriting something: would this help? And a general remark: of course, my point is not to wipe out LaTeX. It has its place. But popularizing ConTeXt would be great (and I'm doing it all the time among my friends!). And good manuals are a *must* then... Obviously, writing a good manual takes really much time (and from some point of view is harder than actually writing code, I guess - it's very similar in maths, when it's way easier to jot down some notes for yourself than to prepare some proof for actual publication...) As I said before (in another post), it's completely obvious for me that neither Hans nor you, Taco, have time for writing a good documentation... > Best wishes, > Taco Best, -- Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl) <>< ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________