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micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq" Content-Disposition: inline --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:42:41AM +0100, Hans Hagen wrote: > Otared Kavian wrote: >> Hi Hans, Khaled, and Idris, >> >> If a humble opinion from an ordinary user may be issued, I agree with = =20 >> Khaled that it would be extremely useful to have some basic default =20 >> settings for Arabic fonts, and even more generally for any particular = =20 >> fonts used for other languages. This would not prevent those specialist= =20 >> typesetters who want particular features to be turned on, to do so =20 >> through appropriate mechanisms. >> >> As a basic user I am frustrated when using mkiv, that most declaration = =20 >> of features are completely cryptic, and not being a specialist of OTF=20 >> or other font specifications, I don't know which features are essential= =20 >> for writing and typesetting an article in Persian or any language using= =20 >> Arabic alphabet. >> While the following is quite easy to understand and to use in XeConTeXt >> %%%%%%%%% > > well, it might be easy to understand given that default features are =20 > enabled but on the other hand,. when you want to disable a feature you = =20 > need to know what is enabled so in practice you have the same problem Yes, but the majority if people want need that, if I want to play with OpenType features then I'm supposed to know what I'm doing, while most people will be happy with the default features (given it is a reasonable default of course.) [...] > so, it seems to depend on calt but turning on calt by default is *not* = =20 > what the ms spec recommends for arabtype > > you see the problem? I think is is arabtype's problem if they suggest turning calt off by default, if I've contextual alternatives in my font this means I think those alternatives are necessary to render text correctly, otherwise I would have used a stylistic set. Regards, Khaled --=20 Khaled Hosny Arabic localizer and member of Arabeyes.org team --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmilaoACgkQRoqITGOuyPJ7lACbBqETZW9504E+kTYyL1gmaVUv ncoAnA0DbBev3oqq3g/bsELS48cqDYdv =xodU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq-- --===============1568294527== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ --===============1568294527==--