From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/50579 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan BRASLAU Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: columns(ets) and itemize[columns] Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 13:08:19 +0200 Organization: CEA DSM-IRAMIS-SPEC Message-ID: <200905181308.19704.alan.braslau@cea.fr> References: <200905172331.42601.alan.braslau@cea.fr> <3B067FB5-958A-49AA-9341-DDAC1C84B956@gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1242644975 26608 80.91.229.12 (18 May 2009 11:09:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:09:35 +0000 (UTC) To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon May 18 13:09:28 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M60ik-0001vW-Fy for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:09:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFBD1FE11; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:09:25 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14743-05-4; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:08:35 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E7D1FDCD; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:08:35 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80E61FDC6 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:08:32 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14743-05-3 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:08:23 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter4-ams.mf.surf.net (filter4-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.72]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944A61FCDE for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:08:23 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr (oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr [132.168.224.1]) by filter4-ams.mf.surf.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n4IB8MFm017357 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:08:23 +0200 Original-Received: from epeire2.extra.cea.fr (epeire2.extra.cea.fr [132.167.198.32]) by oxalide.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.0) with ESMTP id n4IB6AVt019135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:06:10 +0200 Original-Received: from orpin2.extra.cea.fr (orpin2.extra.cea.fr [132.167.198.5]) by epeire2.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4IB8LNN002934 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:08:22 +0200 (envelope-from alan.braslau@cea.fr) Original-Received: from iram-hb-003386.localnet (iram-hb-003386.extra.cea.fr [132.166.20.134]) by orpin2.extra.cea.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.1) with ESMTP id n4IB8LZt016472 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:08:21 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.2 (Linux/2.6.29; KDE/4.2.2; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <3B067FB5-958A-49AA-9341-DDAC1C84B956@gmail.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=132.168.224.1; country=FR; region=A3; city=Gif-sur-yvette; latitude=48.6833; longitude=2.1333; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=48.6833,2.1333&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 227411633 - 4320e4e041c1 - 20090518 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.72 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:50579 Archived-At: On Monday 18 May 2009 08:45:16 Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > Am 17.05.2009 um 23:31 schrieb Alan BRASLAU: > > Two questions, first: > > What is the real difference between columns and columnset? > > I am a bit confused* about their coexistence. Is this purposeful or > > necessary > > (or is it simply historical)? Is \startcolumns simply an unnamed, > > "default" > > columnset? > > columns and columnset are two different mechanism two produce a document > with text and two or more columns. the columns mechanism is the older > one > with limited control about the placement of figures but allows you to > mix > one column and multicolumns text on a page. columnsets are a new version > of the column mechanism with more control about the placement of figures > and other features like spanned columns etc. (look at the manual for > more) > and is better suited for magazine like layouts (Vit Zyka posted a few > nice > examples a few years ago). Great! This is somewhat what I suspected (columns mechanism is the older one). Is there good reason to keep both mechanisms? That is, does the startcolumns mechanism have advantages? Can't one mix one column and multicolumns text on a page using columnsets? > > (*and the wiki page needs to be clarified...) > > the wiki is from users for users, feel free to correct the articles Of course, as soon as I feel that I understand the subject. > > Second question, maybe a bug? > > \startitemize[columns] does not interact well: > > I suspect that it could or should use paragraphs internally rather > > than > > columns so as to work within a column(set). > > that's a limitation in tex, when you use the 'columns' key for itemize > the items are typeset with a \startcolumns / \stopcolumns before and > after the environment and you can nest columns /columnset environments > (a tex limitation) but in normal one column text this is not the case > and you can use multicolumn items in most cases but you can > > \startcolumns > \startsimplecolumns > \startitemize > \item one > \item two > ... > \stopitemize > \stopsimplecolumns > \stopcolumns page-mul.tex ... %D Undocumented and still under development. \def\startsimplecolumns ... May I suggest that \startitemize[columns] internally use such a mechanism, perhaps when under a columns or columnset environment. Of course, this may be a bit tricky according to the following remark: > (in a few cases streamlayer are necessary, e.g. within framedtext) Indeed! Inside framed text I used paragraphs to manually typset into columns; now I get to learn about streamlayers... Alan ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________