From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/50716 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Arthur Reutenauer Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: French typography is back Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 00:58:53 +0200 Message-ID: <20090522225853.GB15587@phare.normalesup.org> References: <20090520062507.GA4330@Fity> <4A152521.5070406@wxs.nl> <20090521132031.GA27281@khaled-laptop> <4A166F8F.4020003@elvenkind.com> <4A1682EC.1000201@wxs.nl> <4A168B4D.6010702@elvenkind.com> <4A169E10.6020209@pengzone.org> <20090522155157.GF30326@phare.normalesup.org> <4A16D4F9.1070405@pengzone.org> Reply-To: Mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243033201 24336 80.91.229.12 (22 May 2009 23:00:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 23:00:01 +0000 (UTC) To: Mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sat May 23 00:59:55 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M7diU-0007BO-VH for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 00:59:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F25F1FEC4; Sat, 23 May 2009 00:59:50 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13714-05; Sat, 23 May 2009 00:59:06 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150E81FEBC; Sat, 23 May 2009 00:59:06 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6878A1FEBC for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 00:59:05 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12401-07 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 00:58:55 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter4-til.mf.surf.net (filter4-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.220]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0707D1FEBB for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 00:58:55 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from nef2.ens.fr (nef2.ens.fr [129.199.96.40]) by filter4-til.mf.surf.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n4MMwsgR004354 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 00:58:54 +0200 Original-Received: from phare.normalesup.org (phare.normalesup.org [129.199.129.80]) by nef2.ens.fr (8.13.6/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id n4MMwril010143 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 00:58:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Envelope-To: Original-Received: by phare.normalesup.org (Postfix, from userid 1008) id 58093BC0BD; Sat, 23 May 2009 00:58:53 +0200 (CEST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A16D4F9.1070405@pengzone.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.1.4 (nef2.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Sat, 23 May 2009 00:58:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=129.199.96.40; country=FR; region=A8; city=Paris; latitude=48.8667; longitude=2.3333; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=48.8667,2.3333&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 230216195 - 58e8a9726bce - 20090523 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.220 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:50716 Archived-At: > Not knowing the internals, that's what I tried to say with adding a space = > after instead of 1em, i.e. "calculated by the engine". If w an em is adde= d = > after, it is not stretchable and shrinkable, right? Right. But no particular space is added after '?' or '!' in French punctuation mode, TeX sets the standard inter-word glue, as it should. The only intervention by ConTeXt is the addition of the unbreakable space before those marks (and, obviously, after '=AB'). > Thank you so much for the detailed technical explanation! So, AFAIK, I = > believe that the space before should be equivalent to thinspace. You'd need to take this up with Olivier Gu=E9ry, who suggested the 1/4 em value in the first place (refer to his interventions from last Fall, e.g., http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2008/034845.html). He wrote up a small proposal on the wiki page for French Punctuation (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/French_Punctuation). > Thanks, I'll see that. Maybe I could write some detailled specs in the wi= ki. Yes, please do so by extending the aforementioned page if needed. 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