From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/53600 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan BRASLAU Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Page Numbering Hell Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:13:55 +0200 Organization: CEA DSM-IRAMIS-SPEC Message-ID: <200910210913.55415.alan.braslau@cea.fr> References: <51CAD0CE1504444DBE77CBBE51A0135D6CE2B0@slcmail.slc.mew.int> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1256109249 11422 80.91.229.12 (21 Oct 2009 07:14:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:14:09 +0000 (UTC) To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Wed Oct 21 09:13:57 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1N0VOO-0008Pf-Hr for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:13:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C2F1C9ADD; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:13:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id DfhDfMo2K++8; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:13:02 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51750C9AAF; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:13:02 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA65C9AAF for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:13:00 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 3AnGG6Nssl9v for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:12:48 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr [132.166.172.107]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AADDC9A70 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:12:47 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from epeire1.extra.cea.fr (epeire1.extra.cea.fr [132.167.198.31]) by sainfoin.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.0) with ESMTP id n9L7DbtC025672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:13:37 +0200 Original-Received: from orpin1.extra.cea.fr (orpin1.extra.cea.fr [132.167.198.4]) by epeire1.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9L7DbTt023251; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:13:37 +0200 (envelope-from alan.braslau@cea.fr) Original-Received: from iram-hb-003386.localnet (iram-hb-003386.extra.cea.fr [132.166.20.134]) by orpin1.extra.cea.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/CEAnet-Extranet-out-1.1) with ESMTP id n9L7Dbie005185; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:13:37 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.2 (Linux/2.6.30; KDE/4.3.2; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <51CAD0CE1504444DBE77CBBE51A0135D6CE2B0@slcmail.slc.mew.int> X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:53600 Archived-At: Dear Bryant, Your post is slightly exaggerated. The document structure that you want to produce appears to be relatively standard. Whereas, indeed, the learning curve for ConTeXt (as for TeX) can be somewhat slow, the richness and powerfulness is well worth the effort. The documentation for ConTeXt (mkii) is quite rich, although it did take me some time to get used to the presentation and style. Some of the syntax has evolved in mkiv, mostly in an effort of simplification, but also to allow some powerful new features. The documentation is (slowly) being updated, as this is a tremendous effort. But it is a necessary effort. I believe that all of us users will appreciate the updated reference manual when it is completed! A notable change between mkii and mkiv is the handling of document structure. I, too, have had a difficult time with this evolution of such a fundamental functionality and will therefore let someone more expert reply to your request with specific examples on how to tune the style, notably page numbering; it should be a simple matter. Alan % missing setups to: % 1. frontmatter pagenumbering conversion=romannumerals % 2. bodymatter pagenumbering "chapter-page" % 3. reset pagenumber for each chapter % 4. add blank pages if necessary to start chapters on odd pages. \starttext \startfrontmatter \completecontent \stopfrontmatter \startbodymatter \chapter{Chapter} \section{Section} \chapter{Chapter 2} \section{Section} \stopbodymatter \stoptext On Wednesday 21 October 2009 08:36:35 Bryant Eastham wrote: > All- > > A few days ago when I first stumbled on ConTeXt I was very, very > excited. I have some 500 pages of technical documentation that could > benefit from this, particularly since I need Japanese font support. But > it has to be real. > > I'm sorry if this sounds caustic, but after 12 hours of failed attempts > to even get a minimal document formatted I have some serious questions > for the list: > > 1. Is Mark IV real? I am only somewhat joking here - after > spending hours searching for reasonable documentation on even the most > trivial options, I am left wondering whether this is something I want to > use... > > 2. ConTeXt looks great. But what is current? Seriously, I like the > look and the support (particularly Unicode). But going over > documentation I cannot make heads or tails of what to do. Mark II? Mark > IV? TeTeX? LuaTeX? If I really want to use this, what should I use? > > 3. Having answered #2, where in the world is a reference manual!!! > I mean one that actually *documents the options*. > > 4. Having answered #3, are there any current examples that > actually work? The snippets from the mailing are great, but they are > just snippets. That doesn't help me. > > Now, to resolve my immediate issue, and just because I will not be able > to sleep well until I figure this out (yes, I am fixated on this). > > I want this document structure: > > Contents > > 1. Chapter 1-1 > > 1.1 Section 1-2 > > 2. Chapter 2 2-1 > > 2.1 Section 2-2 > > > Table of contents on page "i". > Even/odd, each chapter starts on right page. > Page number (as in 2-2) in top margin. > Mark IV, Lua document. > > I have tried hundreds of different combinations. If it cannot do this, > the I will (with sadness) move on. I'm sure that it would take someone > who understands this about 5 minutes to write (if that). > > -Bryant ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________