* TeX Gyre and (no) Cyrillic @ 2010-01-06 13:59 Mojca Miklavec 2010-01-06 16:53 ` Vladimir Lomov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2010-01-06 13:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Dear Cyrillic users, this is just to let you know (in particular Vyatcheslav) that minimals still contain an outdated version of TeX Gyre fonts. Below you can read part of font development history. Simply put: Cyrillic support has been removed a few months ago (I didn't follow closely and didn't notice that right away). We might keep a zip with the old font files somewhere, but support for Cyrillic will be gone by default. Someone would need to take over the development of Cyrillic glyphs if they were to be supported. And someone needs to fix the wiki page. Please do not blame me - we cannot do anything but follow what the Polish have decided. If anyone disagrees, you are welcome to form a team to work on those glyphs. Ver 2.003: 16.09.2009 * this is the first official release of the TeX Gyre Termes fonts since June 22, 2009, when URW++, represented by Dr. Peter Rosenfeld, its Managing Director, kindly agreed to release the original 35 base PostScript fonts as shipped with Ghostscript ver. 4.00 under the LPPL (LaTeX Project Public License). This should be understood so that the 35 base Postscript fonts may be used and developed either under the LPPL or one of the GPL (GNU Public Licence) or AFPL (Aladdin Free Public Licence). The latter were put in force with the initial release of the base fonts with Ghostscript ver. 4.00 in 1996. Hereby we thank Dr. Rosenfeld. The TeX Gyre fonts are being develped from the Ghostscript ver. 4.00 base. For reasons explained elsewhere, we prefer to provide our work under the GUST Font Licence (GFL) which is legally equivallent to the LPPL. However, since 1996 the 35 PostScript base fonts were enhanced under the GNU Public License with Vietnamese glyphs by Han The Thanh and Cyrillic glyphs by Valek Filippov. Han The Thanh kindly permitted his additions to be retained under under GFL/LPPL in this and future TeX Gyre fonts releases. Unfortunately, we were unable to receive a similar permission from Valek Filippov for his Cyrillic glyphs, thus there are no Cyrillic glyphs in any of the TeX Gyre fonts. * with the removal of the Cyrillic glyphs all t2a-*.tfm, t2b-*.tfm t2c-*.tfm files and the relevant LaTeX *.fd files were also removed. Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: TeX Gyre and (no) Cyrillic 2010-01-06 13:59 TeX Gyre and (no) Cyrillic Mojca Miklavec @ 2010-01-06 16:53 ` Vladimir Lomov 2010-01-06 19:46 ` Arthur Reutenauer 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Vladimir Lomov @ 2010-01-06 16:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi. Before begin bothering people I would like to know what these words mean: "we were unable to receive a similar permission from Valek Filippov". That is, TeX Gyre project was unable to contact with Valek or he rejected they idea? (I know that this mailing list is wrong place for this question but I didn't find any additional information of TeX Gyre home page about that.) 2010/1/6 Mojca Miklavec <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com>: [...] > Ver 2.003: 16.09.2009 [...] > For reasons explained elsewhere, we prefer > to provide our work under the GUST Font Licence (GFL) which is legally > equivallent to the LPPL. However, since 1996 the 35 PostScript base > fonts were enhanced under the GNU Public License with Vietnamese glyphs > by Han The Thanh and Cyrillic glyphs by Valek Filippov. Han The Thanh > kindly permitted his additions to be retained under under GFL/LPPL in > this and future TeX Gyre fonts releases. Unfortunately, we were unable > to receive a similar permission from Valek Filippov for his Cyrillic > glyphs, thus there are no Cyrillic glyphs in any of the TeX Gyre fonts. > * with the removal of the Cyrillic glyphs all t2a-*.tfm, t2b-*.tfm > t2c-*.tfm files and the relevant LaTeX *.fd files were also removed. > > Mojca P.S. May be it is worth rewrite page http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Russian to use another font as example like Old Standard found in http://www.thessalonica.org.ru/en/fonts.html or DejaVu fonts. --- WBR, Vladimir Lomov ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: TeX Gyre and (no) Cyrillic 2010-01-06 16:53 ` Vladimir Lomov @ 2010-01-06 19:46 ` Arthur Reutenauer 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Arthur Reutenauer @ 2010-01-06 19:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mailing list for ConTeXt users > That is, TeX Gyre project was unable to contact with Valek or he > rejected they idea? Valek rejected the idea. Arthur ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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* Drawing vertical and horizontal lines inside a matrix [not found] <mailman.446.1258312663.22155.ntg-context@ntg.nl> @ 2009-11-15 19:44 ` Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky [not found] ` <6faad9f01001071211w163c5deal62bc1849cf43dbd4@mail.gmail.com> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky @ 2009-11-15 19:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 475 bytes --] Hello, Can I draw vertical and horizontal lines inside a matrix? I get ugly result by underlining and "sidelining" the elements, but what I neeed is to underline the whole row and draw a line next to the whole column. \startformula T = \left[ {\matrix{ a & b & {c |} & p \cr d & e & {f |} & q \cr {\underline h } & {\underline i } & {\underline j |} & r \cr l & m & {n |} & s \cr } } \right].\stopformula The attached picture shows how it looks now. Vyatcheslav [-- Attachment #2: 2009-11-15_213714.png --] [-- Type: image/png, Size: 6755 bytes --] [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 486 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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* Re: TeX Gyre and (no) Cyrillic [not found] ` <6faad9f01001071256g4857c76fxb55c3e03011f9a10@mail.gmail.com> @ 2010-01-08 0:18 ` Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky 2010-01-08 3:40 ` Vladimir Lomov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky @ 2010-01-08 0:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mojca Miklavec, ntg-context Dear Mojca > Did you read the message about TeX Gyre? > Ohhhh! I overlooked it. This will not affect me much since I use standard Windows fonts and sometimes Adobe. But the poor thing is that ConTeXt will not work with Cyrillic "out of the box" anymore. However, since we count Cyrillic users using fingers of one hand :), I think you can drop old Gyre fonts and don't bother yourself with it. Anyone will seek another solution, and Gyre fonts never was of top quality, IMHO. Thank you for caring about us! Vyatcheslav ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: TeX Gyre and (no) Cyrillic 2010-01-08 0:18 ` TeX Gyre and (no) Cyrillic Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky @ 2010-01-08 3:40 ` Vladimir Lomov 2010-01-08 10:21 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Vladimir Lomov @ 2010-01-08 3:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi. 2010/1/8 Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky <yatskovsky@gmail.com>: > Dear Mojca >> >> Did you read the message about TeX Gyre? >> > > Ohhhh! I overlooked it. > > This will not affect me much since I use standard Windows fonts and > sometimes Adobe. But the poor thing is that ConTeXt will not work with > Cyrillic "out of the box" anymore. Nevertheless, as I already mentioned, wiki.contextgarden.net/Russian shows examples with TeX Gyre fonts and it is worth to update them (I'm now working on that). > However, since we count Cyrillic users using fingers of one hand :), I think > you can drop old Gyre fonts and don't bother yourself with it. Anyone will > seek another solution, and Gyre fonts never was of top quality, IMHO. I doubt that quality appears with beginning of a font. Don't forget about many another users which what to use Cyrillic script but doesn't have MS or Adobe fonts (like me, I don't have any product from MS so don't have they fonts or Adobe ones, Yes I took MS fonts from machines with MS OS installed but this is illegal, Yes I could download Adobe fonts from internet using P2P but this is illegal too). I prefer fonts what were used in my country (Russia) to print science books in 70-80 yy of XX cent. --- WBR, Vladimir Lomov ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: TeX Gyre and (no) Cyrillic 2010-01-08 3:40 ` Vladimir Lomov @ 2010-01-08 10:21 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2010-01-08 10:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 08.01.2010 um 04:40 schrieb Vladimir Lomov: > Nevertheless, as I already mentioned, wiki.contextgarden.net/Russian > shows examples with TeX Gyre fonts and it is worth to update them (I'm > now working on that). You can also add a list a free fonts with cyrillic chars, e.g. DejaVu, Computer Modern Unicode, Linux Libertine etc. >> However, since we count Cyrillic users using fingers of one hand :), I think >> you can drop old Gyre fonts and don't bother yourself with it. Anyone will >> seek another solution, and Gyre fonts never was of top quality, IMHO. > I doubt that quality appears with beginning of a font. > > Don't forget about many another users which what to use Cyrillic > script but doesn't have MS or Adobe fonts (like me, I don't have any > product from MS so don't have they fonts or Adobe ones, Yes I took MS > fonts from machines with MS OS installed but this is illegal, Yes I > could download Adobe fonts from internet using P2P but this is illegal > too). Microsofts core fonts (Times New Roman, Arial) are available on the net [1] and Adobe provides Minion and Myriad as packages for the Adobe Reader [2]. I don't how the legal situation with Microsofts fonts is but Adobes fonts shouldn't be a problem when you have also the Adobe Reader. [1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/corefonts/files/ [2] http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=10&platform=unix Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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