From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/55678 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan BRASLAU Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: using `` '' the output is wrong. Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:28:47 +0100 Organization: CEA DSM-IRAMIS-SPEC Message-ID: <201001200828.47505.alan.braslau@cea.fr> References: <4be511dc1001180434h14d05ebq27c5f9f1c5a811c8@mail.gmail.com> <6faad9f01001191302l50cb8d9q7672d041be432fbf@mail.gmail.com> <4B56AB0B.5040100@elvenkind.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1263973758 31821 80.91.229.12 (20 Jan 2010 07:49:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:49:18 +0000 (UTC) To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Wed Jan 20 08:49:10 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NXVJO-000558-B1 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:49:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080D7C9CB6; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:29:25 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id zQpVMsdlV5WK; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:29:05 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D077C9CAE; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:29:05 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9EA5C9CAE for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:29:00 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id sJMnDLxNQjqX for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:28:49 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr [132.166.172.107]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1928C9CAA for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:28:48 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from epeire2.extra.cea.fr (epeire2.extra.cea.fr [132.167.198.32]) by sainfoin.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.0) with ESMTP id o0K7SmwL006453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:28:48 +0100 Original-Received: from orpin2.extra.cea.fr (orpin2.extra.cea.fr [132.167.198.5]) by epeire2.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o0K7SmFv003043 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:28:48 +0100 (envelope-from alan.braslau@cea.fr) Original-Received: from iram-hb-003386.localnet (scylla.extra.cea.fr [132.166.43.101]) by orpin2.extra.cea.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.1) with ESMTP id o0K7Slnx001662 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:28:47 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.4 (Linux/2.6.32; KDE/4.3.4; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <4B56AB0B.5040100@elvenkind.com> X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:55678 Archived-At: On Wednesday 20 January 2010 08:04:43 Taco Hoekwater wrote: > The problem is that all the latex and plain tex books promote > the use of `` and '' and people that already use TeX are unlikely > to change their habits (and most will not read the context manual > as thoroughly as they should). > = This is my concern. Whereas I do prefer \quotation{} being functionally = logical, after all the spirit of TeX, I also like unicode generalizations = (such as =B1 for \pm). Nevertheless, hard core TeX users as well as convert= s = from LaTeX *expect* ``'', --, ---, ..., etc. to work in ConTeXt. I assume t= hat = the present discussion is useful and not simply controversial. I ignore the mechanisms behind the different implementations (macro, fonts, = catcar, ...) and the problems that arise. Concerning typesetting source code, I would suggest something as simple as = suspending ALL such tricks within \text{} and \starttyping\stoptyping (perh= aps = parametrized). One could also define something like \shellescape{}, analogo= us = to \quotation{}, to typeset `echo "hello world"` and even \string{} to type= set = "string" or 'string', according to the programming language initialized. What I also find disturbing is that *some* of these conventions are retaine= d, = but not all. 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