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From: Khaled Hosny <khaledhosny@eglug.org>
To: Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>
Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Subject: Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:44:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100209184455.GB3802@khaled-laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B71A1B5.1070809@wxs.nl>

On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 06:56:05PM +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 9-2-2010 18:50, Khaled Hosny wrote:
> >On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 12:25:58PM +0100, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing,
> >>what feature or package do you miss which is already available in
> >>another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?
> >
> >An implementation of Unicode Bidirectional Algorithm[1] and automatic,
> >script based font switching, Unicode Script Property[2]. Editing mixed
> >RTL and LTR text is mess already, adding to the mix LTR TeX commands for
> >every directionally switch makes it a nightmare. I ended up doing my
> >first pass without any directional commands at all then using some
> >regular expressions to post process the text, but this is no fun and
> >needs manual review not to mention that post editing that text still a
> >nightmare.
> >
> >I've attempted to write the BiDi implementation several times myself, by
> >never managed to actually allocate enough time for it. ConTeXt already
> >has a BiDi implantation (typo-mir.{lua,mkiv}), but I gave up using it
> >because it is buggy and can be hardly used for any thing.
> >
> >[1] http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr9/
> >[2] http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr24/
> 
> i cannot fix things unless i know what is broken -) also, i need to
> cater for mixed bidi input and txt/pardir usage which is non trivial

IIRC, I reported all of that months ago but I usually get no answer.

> anyway, luatex > 0.60 will have an improved tagging of nodes so that
> might help

Right, having a direction property for each node (assuming this what the
tagging feature you mean) would help even in OpenType layout, like
supporting 'rtla' and 'rtlm' (RTL alternates and mirrors) which need to
be enabled conditionally based on glyph direction.

Regards,
 Khaled


-- 
 Khaled Hosny
 Arabic localiser and member of Arabeyes.org team
 Free font developer
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Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-08 11:25 Wolfgang Schuster
2010-02-08 11:43 ` Sebastien Mengin
2010-02-08 11:55   ` Peter Münster
2010-02-09 17:31     ` Hans Hagen
     [not found]     ` <20100209110640.GE3508@localhost.localdomain>
2010-02-09 22:30       ` Peter Münster
2010-02-09 22:48         ` Hans Hagen
2010-02-10  8:22           ` Peter Münster
2010-02-10  8:33             ` Hans Hagen
2010-02-10  9:45               ` Sebastien Mengin
2010-02-10  9:52                 ` Hans Hagen
2010-02-10 10:12                   ` Alan BRASLAU
2010-02-10 10:34                     ` Hans Hagen
2010-02-10 11:46                       ` Alan BRASLAU
2010-02-10  9:11           ` Sebastien Mengin
2010-02-10  7:55         ` Alan BRASLAU
2010-02-10  8:36           ` Hans Hagen
2010-02-10  9:54             ` Alan BRASLAU
2010-02-10  9:07         ` Sebastien Mengin
2010-02-10 10:05           ` Alan BRASLAU
2010-02-10 14:04           ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-02-11 10:10             ` Sebastien Mengin
2010-02-11 10:13               ` Alan BRASLAU
2010-02-08 11:56   ` Bernhard Rosensteiner
2010-02-08 12:14   ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-02-08 13:22     ` Sebastien Mengin
2010-02-08 12:06 ` Peter Münster
2010-02-08 13:41 ` Alan BRASLAU
2010-02-08 16:54   ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-02-08 17:08     ` John Haltiwanger
2010-02-08 13:49 ` Philipp Gesang
2010-02-08 14:21   ` Bernhard Rosensteiner
2010-02-08 15:05   ` Taco Hoekwater
2010-02-08 15:12   ` Hans Hagen
2010-02-08 21:14     ` Philipp Gesang
2010-02-08 21:26       ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-02-08 22:08         ` Philipp Gesang
2010-02-08 22:13           ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-02-08 22:20           ` Hans Hagen
2010-02-08 23:40             ` Philipp Gesang
2010-02-09  2:50               ` Curiouslearn
2010-02-09  8:32                 ` Alan BRASLAU
2010-02-09  9:15                   ` John Haltiwanger
2010-02-09  9:27                 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-02-09 14:04               ` Hans Hagen
2010-02-09 14:27                 ` Philipp Gesang
2010-02-09 14:56                   ` Hans Hagen
2010-02-09 14:05               ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2010-02-08 22:25       ` John Haltiwanger
2010-02-08 16:51   ` Oliver Heins
2010-02-08 17:29 ` David Rogers
2010-02-08 17:37   ` Hans Hagen
2010-02-09  5:53 ` Otared Kavian
2010-02-09  9:29   ` Hans Hagen
2010-02-09 12:09 ` Vedran Miletić
2010-02-09 12:21   ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-02-09 16:31 ` Oliver Buerschaper
2010-02-09 16:49   ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-02-09 17:50 ` Khaled Hosny
2010-02-09 17:56   ` Hans Hagen
2010-02-09 18:44     ` Khaled Hosny [this message]
2010-02-09 19:12       ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس  سماوي حامد
2010-02-09 19:25         ` Khaled Hosny
2010-02-09 18:07 ` Martin Schröder
2010-02-09 22:29   ` Hans Hagen
2010-02-09 22:49     ` Martin Schröder
2010-02-09 18:21 ` Kevin D. Robbins
2010-02-09 18:40   ` Hans Hagen
2010-02-13 12:19     ` John Devereux
2010-02-13 12:50       ` tracking changes (was: Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?) Peter Münster
2010-02-13 15:24         ` Kevin D. Robbins
2010-02-13 16:14         ` John Devereux
2010-02-13 20:08           ` tracking changes Peter Münster
2010-02-09 18:45 ` What do you miss in ConTeXt? Alan BRASLAU
2010-02-09 18:50   ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-02-09 19:54     ` Hans Hagen
2010-02-09 22:05       ` luigi scarso
2010-02-09 22:07     ` luigi scarso
2010-02-09 18:51   ` Hans Hagen
2010-02-10  8:00 ` Mikael Persson
2010-02-10 14:24   ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-02-11  8:43 ` Steffen Wolfrum
2010-02-11  9:05   ` Taco Hoekwater
2010-02-11  9:37   ` Hans Hagen
2010-02-11  9:47     ` Vedran Miletić
2010-02-11 10:07       ` Peter Münster
2010-02-11 13:08         ` Taco Hoekwater
2010-02-11 10:08       ` Taco Hoekwater
2010-02-11 10:15         ` Steffen Wolfrum
2010-02-11 10:12     ` Steffen Wolfrum
2010-02-11 10:24       ` Sebastien Mengin
2010-02-14 14:17   ` Hans Hagen
2010-02-11  9:55 ` Peter Münster
2010-02-11 13:24   ` Hans Hagen
2010-02-11 13:48     ` Peter Münster
2010-02-11 15:17       ` Hans Hagen
2010-02-11 10:01 ` Peter Münster
2010-02-13 12:24 ` John Devereux
2010-02-13 12:30   ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-02-13 13:21     ` checking keys (was: Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?) Peter Münster
2010-02-13 13:34       ` checking keys Wolfgang Schuster
2010-02-13 13:45         ` Peter Münster
2010-02-13 13:49           ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-02-13 16:24     ` What do you miss in ConTeXt? John Devereux
2010-02-13 12:30   ` Eric DÉTREZ
2010-02-19 16:24 ` Kevin D. Robbins
2010-03-05  9:13 ` Vedran Miletić
     [not found]   ` <6faad9f01003051213n3fe17c24u9cac1a536bde33b7@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <4B94CAB6.8070908@wxs.nl>
     [not found]       ` <6faad9f01003080636x539d48f0ic94100baabb3925c@mail.gmail.com>
2010-03-14 21:06         ` Vedran Miletić
2010-03-14 22:47           ` Hans Hagen
2010-03-15 13:53             ` Mojca Miklavec
2010-03-15 14:12               ` Hans Hagen
2010-03-19 20:36                 ` Vedran Miletić
2010-03-15  1:41 ` Joshua Lee
2010-02-09  8:53 What do you miss in ConTeXt?: Robert Blackstone
2010-02-10  8:50 What do you miss in ConTeXt? Robert Blackstone
2010-02-10  8:56 ` Matija Šuklje
2010-02-14 12:42   ` Matija Šuklje
     [not found] <mailman.237.1265794125.26807.ntg-context@ntg.nl>
2010-02-10 14:01 ` Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky

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