What do you miss in ConTeXt?

What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Hi all,

ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what 
feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX 
system or unavailable in any TeX system?

Wolfgang

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Sebastien Mengin]

Le 08 févr. 2010 à 12:25, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit:
> Hi all,
>
> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what  
> feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX  
> system or unavailable in any TeX system?

I once tried to list the different points missing regarding the french
language support and think of a way to integrate them as a module for
ConTeXt, as frenchb [1] does for LaTeX.

This is finally not trivial at all (at least for me).

I don't know if this goes in the category « something missing » you are
talking about... but for me, it is a reason why I stick to LaTeX.

[1] http://daniel.flipo.free.fr/frenchb/index.html

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Peter Münster]

On Mon, Feb 08 2010, Sebastien Mengin wrote:

> I once tried to list the different points missing regarding the french
> language support and think of a way to integrate them as a module for
> ConTeXt, as frenchb [1] does for LaTeX.
> 
> This is finally not trivial at all (at least for me).
> 
> I don't know if this goes in the category « something missing » you are
> talking about... but for me, it is a reason why I stick to LaTeX.

This could be a starting point:
http://modules.contextgarden.net/t-french

What do you need?

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 8-2-2010 12:55, Peter Münster wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 08 2010, Sebastien Mengin wrote:
>
>> I once tried to list the different points missing regarding the french
>> language support and think of a way to integrate them as a module for
>> ConTeXt, as frenchb [1] does for LaTeX.
>>
>> This is finally not trivial at all (at least for me).
>>
>> I don't know if this goes in the category « something missing » you are
>> talking about... but for me, it is a reason why I stick to LaTeX.
>
> This could be a starting point:
> http://modules.contextgarden.net/t-french
>
> What do you need?

once we have a clear picture (non conflicting demands) it's easy to 
implement .. the idea behind that page was to get a consistent model

Hans

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Peter Münster]

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On Tue, Feb 09 2010, Sebastien Mengin wrote:

> Thanks for the link, I failed to use it, as I have a ConTeXt/luaTeX
> versions distributed by ubuntu/jaunty, which seems to be too old. I
> should update and give it a try -- later.

Hello Sebastien,

Anyway, it was not the latest version.

In the current version of MKIV, there is no support for language-specifics,
so there is actually no support for switching back from French to another
language.


> Did you have a look at the doc I posted yesterday?

Yes. I attach a recent t-french.tex file, that supports most of frenchb.


In detail:

> 1. the 1. paragraph of each section is indented (LATEX only);

Done.


> 2. the default items in itemize environment

Done.


> 3. vertical spacing in general LATEX lists is shortened;

Done in itemize list.


> 4. footnotes are displayed "à la française".

What is this?


> 1. French hyphenation patterns are made active;

Done.


> 2. `double punctuation' (: ; ! ?) is made active

Done.


> 3. \today prints the date in French;

The command is "\date".


> 4. the caption names are translated into French (LATEX only);

Done.


> 5. the space after \dots is removed in French.

There is no space.


> 1. French quotation marks

\quotation{...}


> 2. A command \up is provided

M\high{me}


> provided for ordinals: \ier, \iere, \iers, \ieres, \ieme, \iemes

Done.


> the macro \bsc (boxed small caps) does this, e.g., Leslie~\bsc{Lamport}

\Bsc{...}


> 4. Commands \primo, \secundo, \tertio and \quarto print 1o, 2o, 3o, 4o.
> \FrenchEnumerate{6} prints 6o.

No.


> obtained via the commands \No, \Nos, \no, \nos.

No.


> 6. Two commands are provided to typeset the symbol for \degre

No.


> the TEXbook p. 134). The command \DecimalMathComma makes the comma

\enablemathpunctuation
\disablemathpunctuation


> 8. A command \nombre was provided in 1.x versions to easily format numbers

\dorecurse6{
\setdigitmode \recurselevel\relax
\recurselevel: \digits{12.345,90} \digits{12.345.000} \digits{1,23}\par}


> 9. frenchb has been designed to take advantage of the xspace package

No.


Here a test file:

\usemodule[french]
\starttext
\section{test}
\Bsc{Test} \Bsc{Test}
\startitemize
\item 1\ier\ item
\item «bla»
\item bla
\stopitemize
\quotation{bla} hello: hello; hello? hello! \date
\stoptext

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%D \module
%D   [      file=t-french,
%D        version=2010.02.09,
%D          title=\CONTEXT\ User Module,
%D       subtitle=For French documents,
%D         author=Peter Münster,
%D           date=\currentdate,
%D      copyright={Peter Münster}]
%C This module is copyrighted by Peter Münster.
%C Please send any comments to pmrb at free.fr.
%C You can find the latest version of this module on
%C http://modules.contextgarden.net/

% This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
% modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
% as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
% of the License, or (at your option) any later version.

% This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
% but without any warranty; without even the implied warranty of
% merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose.  See the
% GNU General Public License for more details.

%D This module tries to do similar things as the frenchb.ldf in LaTeX:
%D \startitemize
%D \item automatic space before » and after «, :, ?, ; and ! 
%D \item changing symbol for itemize environment
%D \item itemize environment packed
%D \item first paragraph of section indented
%D \item \type{\Bsc{}} macro
%D \stopitemize

\writestatus{loading}{Typesetting French documents}
\doifnotmode{mkiv}{\writestatus{error}{needs MKIV}\wait\end}

\setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]
\setupitemize[symbol=2]
\setupitemize[packed]
\setupheads[indentnext=yes]
\setupindenting[yes, medium]
\lccode`\'=`\'

\mainlanguage[fr]

\ifx \ieme  \undefined \def\ieme  {\highordinalstr{e}}   \fi
\ifx \iemes \undefined \def\iemes {\highordinalstr{es}}  \fi
\ifx \ier   \undefined \def\ier   {\highordinalstr{er}}  \fi
\ifx \iere  \undefined \def\iere  {\highordinalstr{re}}  \fi
\ifx \iers  \undefined \def\iers  {\highordinalstr{ers}} \fi
\ifx \ieres \undefined \def\ieres {\highordinalstr{res}} \fi

\def\Bsc#1{\dontleavehmode\hbox{\sc#1}}

\doifnotmode{demo}{\endinput}

%D Usage example:
\def\myItems{%
  \startitemize
  \item test
  \item test
    \startitemize
    \item test
    \item test
      \startitemize
      \item test
      \item test
      \stopitemize
    \stopitemize
  \stopitemize}

\usemodule[french]

\starttext
Voilà: Voilà? Voilà! Voilà;
{\en some english text: «English» or \quotation{French}, ok?}
«voilà» \quote{voilà} \quotation{voilà}
\myItems
\en
\myItems
\stoptext

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 9-2-2010 23:30, Peter Münster wrote:

> In the current version of MKIV, there is no support for language-specifics,
> so there is actually no support for switching back from French to another
> language.

in mkiv language specific features are and will be part of the 
mechanisms themselves (and are then driven by mainlanguage)

>> 1. the 1. paragraph of each section is indented (LATEX only);
>> 2. the default items in itemize environment
>> 3. vertical spacing in general LATEX lists is shortened;

to me these sounds like a design issue, not related to french

>> 4. footnotes are displayed "à la française".
 >
> What is this?
>
>> 2. `double punctuation' (: ; ! ?) is made active

remark: in mkiv not active using active chars as we have better mechanisms

Hans


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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Peter Münster]

On Tue, Feb 09 2010, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 9-2-2010 23:30, Peter Münster wrote:
>
>> In the current version of MKIV, there is no support for language-specifics,
>> so there is actually no support for switching back from French to another
>> language.
>
> in mkiv language specific features are and will be part of the mechanisms 
> themselves (and are then driven by mainlanguage)

Ok, then I just don't know how to use them...


>>> 1. the 1. paragraph of each section is indented (LATEX only);
>>> 2. the default items in itemize environment
>>> 3. vertical spacing in general LATEX lists is shortened;
>
> to me these sounds like a design issue, not related to french

I agree. The module is just for people like Sebastien, who like to find the
same things as in the frenchb LaTeX package.

At some point, someone should decide, what is triggered by
\mainlanguage[fr] and what is provided by such french-module.

For me, "\setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]" is the border case.


>>> 2. `double punctuation' (: ; ! ?) is made active
>
> remark: in mkiv not active using active chars as we have better mechanisms

Of course, the module is for mkiv and uses \setcharacterspacing.

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 10-2-2010 9:22, Peter Münster wrote:

> At some point, someone should decide, what is triggered by
> \mainlanguage[fr] and what is provided by such french-module.
>
> For me, "\setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]" is the border case.

the problem is that there's always a dominant language in a document and 
i think it's not a good idea to have french punctuation in a french 
quotation in an english text even if it's doable

Hans


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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Sebastien Mengin]

Le 10 févr. 2010 à 09:33, Hans Hagen a écrit:
> On 10-2-2010 9:22, Peter Münster wrote:
>
>> At some point, someone should decide, what is triggered by
>> \mainlanguage[fr] and what is provided by such french-module.
>>
>> For me, "\setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]" is the border case.
>
> the problem is that there's always a dominant language in a document and  
> i think it's not a good idea to have french punctuation in a french  
> quotation in an english text even if it's doable

If I get you right, does it mean that if I want to write a bilingual,
say french/english, document, I can't use
\setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation] and have to deal with
punctuation issues manually for both languages ?

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 10-2-2010 10:45, Sebastien Mengin wrote:
> Le 10 févr. 2010 à 09:33, Hans Hagen a écrit:
>> On 10-2-2010 9:22, Peter Münster wrote:
>>
>>> At some point, someone should decide, what is triggered by
>>> \mainlanguage[fr] and what is provided by such french-module.
>>>
>>> For me, "\setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]" is the border case.
>>
>> the problem is that there's always a dominant language in a document and
>> i think it's not a good idea to have french punctuation in a french
>> quotation in an english text even if it's doable
>
> If I get you right, does it mean that if I want to write a bilingual,
> say french/english, document, I can't use
> \setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation] and have to deal with
> punctuation issues manually for both languages ?

you can use it, the question is, does it make sense to use different 
typo in a french quotation in an english text (just as one is not going 
to change the indentation then)

Hans

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Wednesday 10 February 2010 10:52:22 Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 10-2-2010 10:45, Sebastien Mengin wrote:
> > Le 10 févr. 2010 à 09:33, Hans Hagen a écrit:
> >> On 10-2-2010 9:22, Peter Münster wrote:
> >>> At some point, someone should decide, what is triggered by
> >>> \mainlanguage[fr] and what is provided by such french-module.
> >>>
> >>> For me, "\setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]" is the border case.
> >>
> >> the problem is that there's always a dominant language in a document and
> >> i think it's not a good idea to have french punctuation in a french
> >> quotation in an english text even if it's doable
> >
> > If I get you right, does it mean that if I want to write a bilingual,
> > say french/english, document, I can't use
> > \setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation] and have to deal with
> > punctuation issues manually for both languages ?
> 
> you can use it, the question is, does it make sense to use different
> typo in a french quotation in an english text (just as one is not going
> to change the indentation then)
> 

Yes it does! The spacing, punctuation, hyphenation and other particularities
associated with a language should be respected, even if there may be one
"dominant" language.

BTW, we should add "franglais", as this is often my dominant tongue!

Alan
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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 10-2-2010 11:12, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
> On Wednesday 10 February 2010 10:52:22 Hans Hagen wrote:
>> On 10-2-2010 10:45, Sebastien Mengin wrote:
>>> Le 10 févr. 2010 à 09:33, Hans Hagen a écrit:
>>>> On 10-2-2010 9:22, Peter Münster wrote:
>>>>> At some point, someone should decide, what is triggered by
>>>>> \mainlanguage[fr] and what is provided by such french-module.
>>>>>
>>>>> For me, "\setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]" is the border case.
>>>>
>>>> the problem is that there's always a dominant language in a document and
>>>> i think it's not a good idea to have french punctuation in a french
>>>> quotation in an english text even if it's doable
>>>
>>> If I get you right, does it mean that if I want to write a bilingual,
>>> say french/english, document, I can't use
>>> \setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation] and have to deal with
>>> punctuation issues manually for both languages ?
>>
>> you can use it, the question is, does it make sense to use different
>> typo in a french quotation in an english text (just as one is not going
>> to change the indentation then)
>>
>
> Yes it does! The spacing, punctuation, hyphenation and other particularities
> associated with a language should be respected, even if there may be one
> "dominant" language.


some english <english quote> blabla <french quote> ...

makes most sense to me if here we use the english quotes and not the 
french ones in the second case;

hyphenation of course is always following the language

anyhow, it's no big deal to configure things

Hans

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Wednesday 10 February 2010 11:34:15 you wrote:
> some english <english quote> blabla <french quote> ...
> 
> makes most sense to me if here we use the english quotes and not the 
> french ones in the second case;
> 

I don't do things that way, rather:
“some English” followed by « une citation en français ».

\quotation{some English} followed by
{\fr\quotation{une citation en français}}

but perhaps I am wrong and this is not correct style…

Now I also understand why \quotation{\fr une citation} "doesn't work".

Alan

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Sebastien Mengin]

Le 09 févr. 2010 à 11:48, Hans Hagen a écrit:
>>> 1. the 1. paragraph of each section is indented (LATEX only);
>>> 2. the default items in itemize environment
>>> 3. vertical spacing in general LATEX lists is shortened;
>
> to me these sounds like a design issue, not related to french

Note that the frenchb package aims at typesetting documents following
the instructions provided by the Imprimerie nationale guide.

This guide is not a typographic code that rules for every case
everywhere, but it is generally admitted as a good base for typesetting
french documents.

So true, there are design issue that are dealt by default if one loads
that package in LaTeX.

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Alan BRASLAU]

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On Tuesday 09 February 2010 23:30:56 Peter Münster wrote:
> 
> Yes. I attach a recent t-french.tex file, that supports most of frenchb.
> 
> \usemodule[french]
> 

Should not these rules automatically come into play through
\mainlanguage[fr]
rather than as a module?

Also (for Hans), lang-ita.tex needs to be completed as follows:
(the complete file is attached as Hans prefers this to diffs)

$ diff lang-ita.tex lang-ita.tex.orig
268c268
< \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!chapter=Chapitre]
---
> \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!chapter=]
276c276
< \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!section=Section]
---
> \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!section=]
284c284
< \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsection=Soussection]
---
> \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsection=]
292c292
< \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsubsection=Soussoussection]
---
> \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsubsection=]
300c300
< \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsubsubsection=Soussoussoussection]
---
> \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsubsubsection=]
308c308
< \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!appendix=Annexe]
---
> \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!appendix=]

BTW, in this file, some texts have trailing spaces and some do not.
This is probably a bug?
Also, some strings have unicode characters and some have escaped accents.
This also should probably be cleaned-up.

Alan

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%D \module
%D   [       file=lang-ita,
%D        version=1997.09.03,
%D          title=\CONTEXT\ Language Macros,
%D       subtitle=Italic Languages,
%D         author=Hans Hagen / Tobias Burnus,
%D           date=\currentdate,
%D      copyright={PRAGMA / Hans Hagen \& Ton Otten}]
%C
%C This module is part of the \CONTEXT\ macro||package and is
%C therefore copyrighted by \PRAGMA. See mreadme.pdf for
%C details.

% Todo: replace \'.. by \namedglyph

\writestatus{loading}{ConTeXt Language Macros / Italic Languages}

%D The framework of this module is set up by Hans Hagen while
%D many of the first translations were done by Tobias. Later
%D on, corrections were made by users. If you have suggestions,
%D or feel that your name missing here, don't hesitate to send
%D us an email.
%D
%D \starttabulate[|lB|l|]
%D \NC Italian    \NC Giuseppe Bilotta       \NC \NR
%D \NC Romanian   \NC Dan Seracu             \NC \NR
%D \NC Portuguese \NC Pedro F. M. Mendon\c a \NC \NR
%D \stoptabulate

%  Latin, Italian, Rhaeto-Romanic, Rumanian, Sardian
%  Catalan, French, Ladino, Portuguese, Proven\c{c}al, Spanish

\unprotect

\ifx\guillemotspace\undefined \let\guillemotspace\empty \fi
\ifx\sentencespace \undefined \let\sentencespace \empty \fi

\installlanguage
  [\s!fr]
  [\c!spacing=\v!packed,
   \c!leftsentence=\emdash,
   \c!rightsentence=\emdash,
   \c!leftsubsentence=\emdash,
   \c!rightsubsentence=\emdash,
   \c!leftquote=\leftguillemot,
   \c!rightquote=\rightguillemot,
   \c!leftquotation=\leftguillemot,
   \c!rightquotation=\rightguillemot,
   \c!date={\v!day+,\v!space,\v!month,\v!space,\v!year},
   \s!mapping={texnansi,ec},
   \s!encoding={texnansi,ec}]

\installlanguage
  [\s!es]
  [\c!spacing=\v!packed,
   \c!leftsentence=---,
   \c!rightsentence=---,
   \c!leftsubsentence=---,
   \c!rightsubsentence=---,
   \c!leftquote=\upperleftsinglesixquote,
   \c!rightquote=\upperrightsingleninequote,
   \c!leftquotation=\upperleftdoublesixquote,
   \c!rightquotation=\upperrightdoubleninequote,
   \c!date={\v!day,\ ,\v!month,\ ,\v!year}]

\installlanguage [sp] [\s!es] % old times context

\installlanguage
  [\s!ca]
  [\c!spacing=\v!packed,
   \c!leftsentence=---,
   \c!rightsentence=---,
   \c!leftsubsentence=---,
   \c!rightsubsentence=---,
   \c!leftquote=\upperleftsinglesixquote,
   \c!rightquote=\upperrightsingleninequote,
   \c!leftquotation=\upperleftdoublesixquote,
   \c!rightquotation=\upperrightdoubleninequote,
   \c!date={\v!day,\ ,\v!month,\ ,\v!year}]

% Note GB left|/|right (sub)sentences are for \quote {incisi}.

\installlanguage
  [\s!it]
  [\c!spacing=\v!packed,
   \c!leftsentence=---,
   \c!rightsentence=---,
   \c!leftsubsentence=--,
   \c!rightsubsentence=--,
   \c!leftquote=\upperleftsinglesixquote,
   \c!rightquote=\upperrightsingleninequote,
   \c!leftquotation=\upperleftdoublesixquote,
   \c!rightquotation=\upperrightdoubleninequote,
   \c!leftspeech=\leftguillemot,
   \c!middlespeech=\leftguillemot,
   \c!rightspeech=\rightguillemot,
   \c!date={\v!day,\ ,\v!month,\ ,\v!year},
   \s!mapping={texnansi,ec},
   \s!encoding={texnansi,ec}]

\installlanguage % the same as italian
  [\s!la]
  [\c!spacing=\v!packed,
   \c!leftsentence=---,
   \c!rightsentence=---,
   \c!leftsubsentence=---,
   \c!rightsubsentence=---,
   \c!leftquote=\upperleftsinglesixquote,
   \c!rightquote=\lowerrightsingleninequote,
   \c!leftquotation=\upperleftdoublesixquote,
   \c!rightquotation=\lowerrightdoubleninequote,
   \c!date={\v!day,\ ,\v!month,\ ,\v!year}]

\installlanguage
  [\s!pt]
  [\c!spacing=\v!packed,
   \c!leftsentence=---,
   \c!rightsentence=---,
   \c!leftsubsentence=---,
   \c!rightsubsentence=---,
   \c!leftquote=\upperleftsinglesixquote,
   \c!rightquote=\upperrightsingleninequote,
   \c!leftquotation=\upperleftdoublesixquote,
   \c!rightquotation=\upperrightdoubleninequote,
   \c!date={\v!year,\ ,\v!month,\ ,\v!day},
   \s!mapping={texnansi,ec},
   \s!encoding={texnansi,ec}]

\installlanguage
  [\s!ro]
  [\c!spacing=\v!packed,
   \c!leftsentence=---,
   \c!rightsentence=---,
   \c!leftsubsentence=---,
   \c!rightsubsentence=---,
   \c!leftquote=\leftguillemot,
   \c!rightquote=\rightguillemot,
   \c!leftquotation=\lowerrightdoubleninequote,
   \c!rightquotation=\upperleftdoublesixquote,
   \c!date={\v!day,\ ,\v!month,\ ,\v!year}]

%D For compatibility reasons we also define:

\installlanguage [fa]          [\s!fr] % for dutchies only

\installlanguage [french]      [\s!fr]
\installlanguage [spanish]     [\s!es]
\installlanguage [catalan]     [\s!ca]
\installlanguage [italian]     [\s!it]
\installlanguage [latin]       [\s!la]
\installlanguage [portuguese]  [\s!pt]
\installlanguage [romanian]    [\s!ro]

%D Labels and header texts.

\setupheadtext [\s!fr] [\v!content=Table des mati\`eres]
\setupheadtext [\s!es] [\v!content=\'Indice]
\setupheadtext [\s!ca] [\v!content=\'Index de continguts]
\setupheadtext [\s!it] [\v!content=Indice]
\setupheadtext [\s!la] [\v!content=Quod in libro continetur] %Argumentum
\setupheadtext [\s!pt] [\v!content=Conte\'udo]
\setupheadtext [\s!ro] [\v!content=Cuprins]

\setupheadtext [\s!fr] [\v!tables=Tableaux]
\setupheadtext [\s!es] [\v!tables=Tablas]
\setupheadtext [\s!ca] [\v!tables=Taules]
\setupheadtext [\s!it] [\v!tables=Tabelle]
\setupheadtext [\s!la] [\v!tables=Tabulae]
\setupheadtext [\s!pt] [\v!tables=Tabelas]
\setupheadtext [\s!ro] [\v!tables=Tabele]

\setupheadtext [\s!fr] [\v!figures=Figures]
\setupheadtext [\s!es] [\v!figures=Ilustraciones]
\setupheadtext [\s!ca] [\v!figures=Figures]
\setupheadtext [\s!it] [\v!figures=Figure]
\setupheadtext [\s!la] [\v!figures=Imagines]
\setupheadtext [\s!pt] [\v!figures=Figuras]
\setupheadtext [\s!ro] [\v!figures=Figuri]

\setupheadtext [\s!fr] [\v!graphics=Graphiques]
\setupheadtext [\s!es] [\v!graphics=Gr\'aficos]
\setupheadtext [\s!it] [\v!graphics=Grafici]
\setupheadtext [\s!ca] [\v!graphics=Gr\`afiques]
\setupheadtext [\s!la] [\v!graphics=Typi]
\setupheadtext [\s!pt] [\v!graphics=Gr\'aficos]
\setupheadtext [\s!ro] [\v!graphics=Grafice]

\setupheadtext [\s!fr] [\v!intermezzi=Interm\`edes]
\setupheadtext [\s!es] [\v!intermezzi=intermedios]
\setupheadtext [\s!ca] [\v!intermezzi=intermedis]
\setupheadtext [\s!it] [\v!intermezzi=Intermezzi]
\setupheadtext [\s!la] [\v!intermezzi=Intermissa]
\setupheadtext [\s!pt] [\v!intermezzi=Interm\'edios]
\setupheadtext [\s!ro] [\v!intermezzi=Intermzzo]

\setupheadtext [\s!fr] [\v!index=Index]
\setupheadtext [\s!es] [\v!index=\'Indice alfab\'etico]
\setupheadtext [\s!ca] [\v!index=\'Index alfab\`etic]
\setupheadtext [\s!it] [\v!index=Indice]
\setupheadtext [\s!la] [\v!index=Indices]
\setupheadtext [\s!pt] [\v!index=\'Indice]
\setupheadtext [\s!ro] [\v!index=Index]

\setupheadtext [\s!fr] [\v!abbreviations=Abr\'eviations]
\setupheadtext [\s!es] [\v!abbreviations=Abreviaciones]
\setupheadtext [\s!ca] [\v!abbreviations=Abreviacions]
\setupheadtext [\s!it] [\v!abbreviations=Abbreviazioni]
\setupheadtext [\s!la] [\v!abbreviations=Notae]
\setupheadtext [\s!pt] [\v!abbreviations=Abreviaturas]
\setupheadtext [\s!ro] [\v!abbreviations=Abrevieri]

\setupheadtext [\s!fr] [\v!logos=Logos]
\setupheadtext [\s!es] [\v!logos=Logotipos]
\setupheadtext [\s!ca] [\v!logos=Logotips]
\setupheadtext [\s!it] [\v!logos=Logotipi]
\setupheadtext [\s!la] [\v!logos=Typi negotiales]
\setupheadtext [\s!pt] [\v!logos=Logotipos]
\setupheadtext [\s!ro] [\v!logos=Logo-uri]

\setupheadtext [\s!fr] [\v!units=Unit\'es]
\setupheadtext [\s!es] [\v!units=Unidades]
\setupheadtext [\s!ca] [\v!units=Unitats]
\setupheadtext [\s!it] [\v!units=Unit\`a]
\setupheadtext [\s!la] [\v!units=Modi]
\setupheadtext [\s!pt] [\v!units=Unidades]
\setupheadtext [\s!ro] [\v!units=Unit\u{a}\c{t}i]

\setupheadtext [\s!fr] [pubs=Bibliographie]
%setupheadtext [\s!es] [pubs=?]
\setupheadtext [\s!ca] [pubs=Referències]
\setupheadtext [\s!it] [pubs=Bibliografia]
%setupheadtext [\s!la] [pubs=?]
%setupheadtext [\s!pt] [pubs=?]
%setupheadtext [\s!ro] [pubs=?]

\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!table=Tableau ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es] [\v!table=Tabla ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca] [\v!table=Taula ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it] [\v!table=Tabella ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la] [\v!table=Tabula ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt] [\v!table=Tabela ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!table=Tabelul ]

\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!figure=Figure ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es] [\v!figure=Ilustraci\'on ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca] [\v!figure=Figura ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it] [\v!figure=Fig. ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la] [\v!figure=Imago ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt] [\v!figure=Figura ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!figure=Figura ]

\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!intermezzo=Interm\`ede ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es] [\v!intermezzo=intermedio ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca] [\v!intermezzo=Intermedi ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it] [\v!intermezzo=Intermezzo ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la] [\v!intermezzo=Intermissum ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt] [\v!intermezzo=Interm\'edio ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!intermezzo=Intermezzo ]

\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!graphic=Illustration ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es] [\v!graphic=Gr\'afico ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca] [\v!graphic=Gr\`afica ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it] [\v!graphic=Grafico ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la] [\v!graphic=Typus ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt] [\v!graphic=Gr\'afico ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!graphic=Graficul ]

\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!chapter=Chapitre]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es] [\v!chapter=Cap\'\i tulo]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca] [\v!chapter=Cap\'\i tol]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it] [\v!chapter=]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la] [\v!chapter=]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt] [\v!chapter=]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!chapter=]

\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!section=Section]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es] [\v!section=Secci\'on]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca] [\v!section=Secci\'o]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it] [\v!section=]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la] [\v!section=]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt] [\v!section=]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!section=]

\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsection=Soussection]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es] [\v!subsection=Subsecci\'on]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca] [\v!subsection=Subsecci\'o]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it] [\v!subsection=]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la] [\v!subsection=]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt] [\v!subsection=]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!subsection=]

\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsubsection=Soussoussection]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es] [\v!subsubsection=Subsubsecci\'on]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca] [\v!subsubsection=Subsubsecci\'o]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it] [\v!subsubsection=]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la] [\v!subsubsection=]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt] [\v!subsubsection=]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!subsubsection=]

\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsubsubsection=Soussoussoussection]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es] [\v!subsubsubsection=Subsubsubsecci\'on]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca] [\v!subsubsubsection=Subsubsubsecci\'o]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it] [\v!subsubsubsection=]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la] [\v!subsubsubsection=]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt] [\v!subsubsubsection=]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!subsubsubsection=]

\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!appendix=Annexe]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es] [\v!appendix=Ap\'endice]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca] [\v!appendix=Ap\`endix]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it] [\v!appendix=]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la] [\v!appendix=]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt] [\v!appendix=]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!appendix=]

\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!part=Partie ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es] [\v!part=Parte ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca] [\v!part=Part ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it] [\v!part=Parte ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la] [\v!part=Pars ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt] [\v!part=Parte ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!part=Partea ]

\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!line=ligne ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es] [\v!line=l\'\i nea ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca] [\v!line=l\'\i nia ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it] [\v!line=riga ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la] [\v!line=versus ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt] [\v!line=linha ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!line=linia ]

\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!lines=lignes ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es] [\v!lines=l\'\i neas ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca] [\v!lines=l\'\i nies ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it] [\v!lines=righe ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la] [\v!lines=versus ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt] [\v!lines=linhas ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!lines=liniile ]

\setuplabeltext [\s!fr]   [\v!january=janvier]
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr]  [\v!february=f\'evrier]
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr]     [\v!march=mars]
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr]     [\v!april=avril]
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr]       [\v!may=mai]
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr]      [\v!june=juin]
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr]      [\v!july=juillet]
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr]    [\v!august=ao\^ut]
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!september=septembre]
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr]   [\v!october=octobre]
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr]  [\v!november=novembre]
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr]  [\v!december=d\'ecembre]

\setuplabeltext [\s!es]   [\v!january=enero]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es]  [\v!february=febrero]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es]     [\v!march=marzo]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es]     [\v!april=abril]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es]       [\v!may=mayo]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es]      [\v!june=junio]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es]      [\v!july=julio]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es]    [\v!august=agosto]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es] [\v!september=septiembre]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es]   [\v!october=octubre]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es]  [\v!november=noviembre]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es]  [\v!december=diciembre]

\setuplabeltext [\s!ca]   [\v!january=gener]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca]  [\v!february=febrer]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca]     [\v!march=mar\c{c}]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca]     [\v!april=abril]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca]       [\v!may=maig]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca]      [\v!june=juny]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca]      [\v!july=juliol]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca]    [\v!august=agost]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca] [\v!september=setembre]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca]   [\v!october=octubre]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca]  [\v!november=novembre]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca]  [\v!december=desembre]

\setuplabeltext [\s!it]   [\v!january=gennaio]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it]  [\v!february=febbraio]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it]     [\v!march=marzo]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it]     [\v!april=aprile]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it]       [\v!may=maggio]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it]      [\v!june=giugno]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it]      [\v!july=luglio]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it]    [\v!august=agosto]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it] [\v!september=settembre]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it]   [\v!october=ottobre]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it]  [\v!november=novembre]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it]  [\v!december=dicembre]

\setuplabeltext [\s!la]   [\v!january=Ianuarius]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la]  [\v!february=Februarius]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la]     [\v!march=Martius]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la]     [\v!april=Aprilis]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la]       [\v!may=Maius]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la]      [\v!june=Iunius]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la]      [\v!july=Iulius]   % formerly Quintilis
\setuplabeltext [\s!la]    [\v!august=Augustus] % formerly Sextilis
\setuplabeltext [\s!la] [\v!september=September]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la]   [\v!october=October]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la]  [\v!november=November]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la]  [\v!december=December]

\setuplabeltext [\s!pt]   [\v!january=janeiro]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt]  [\v!february=fevereiro]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt]     [\v!march=mar\c{c}o]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt]     [\v!april=abril]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt]       [\v!may=maio]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt]      [\v!june=junho]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt]      [\v!july=julho]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt]    [\v!august=agosto]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt] [\v!september=setembro]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt]   [\v!october=outubro]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt]  [\v!november=novembro]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt]  [\v!december=dezembro]

\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!january=ianuarie]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!february=februarie]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!march=martie]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!april=aprilie]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!may=mai]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!june=iunie]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!july=iulie]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!august=august]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!september=septembrie]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!october=octombrie]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!november=noiembrie]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!december=decembrie]

\setuplabeltext [\s!fr]    [\v!sunday=dimanche]
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr]    [\v!monday=lundi]
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr]   [\v!tuesday=mardi]
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!wednesday=mercredi]
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr]  [\v!thursday=jeudi]
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr]    [\v!friday=vendredi]
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr]  [\v!saturday=samedi]

\setuplabeltext [\s!es]    [\v!sunday=domingo]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es]    [\v!monday=lunes]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es]   [\v!tuesday=martes]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es] [\v!wednesday=mi\'ercoles]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es]  [\v!thursday=jueves]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es]    [\v!friday=viernes]
\setuplabeltext [\s!es]  [\v!saturday=s\'abado]

\setuplabeltext [\s!ca]    [\v!sunday=diumenge]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca]    [\v!monday=dilluns]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca]   [\v!tuesday=dimarts]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca] [\v!wednesday=dimecres]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca]  [\v!thursday=dijous]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca]    [\v!friday=divendres]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ca]  [\v!saturday=dissabte]

\setuplabeltext [\s!it]    [\v!sunday=domenica]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it]    [\v!monday=luned\`\i]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it]   [\v!tuesday=marted\`\i]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it] [\v!wednesday=mercoled\`\i]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it]  [\v!thursday=gioved\`\i]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it]    [\v!friday=venerd\`\i]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it]  [\v!saturday=sabato]

\setuplabeltext [\s!la]    [\v!sunday=Dies Solis]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la]    [\v!monday=Dies Lunae]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la]   [\v!tuesday=Dies Martis]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la] [\v!wednesday=Dies Mercuri]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la]  [\v!thursday=Dies Iovis]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la]    [\v!friday=Dies Veneris]
\setuplabeltext [\s!la]  [\v!saturday=Dies Saturni]

\setuplabeltext [\s!pt]    [\v!sunday=domingo]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt]    [\v!monday=segunda-feira]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt]   [\v!tuesday=ter\c{c}a-feira]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt] [\v!wednesday=quarta-feira]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt]  [\v!thursday=quinta-feira]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt]    [\v!friday=sexta-feira]
\setuplabeltext [\s!pt]  [\v!saturday=s\'abado]

\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!sunday=duminic\u{a}]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!monday=luni]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!tuesday=mar\c{t}i]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!wednesday=miercuri]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!thursday=joi]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!friday=vineri]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ro] [\v!saturday=s\^{a}mb\u{a}t\u{a}]

%D Rather new \unknown

\setuplabeltext [\s!it]      [\v!page=pagina ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it]    [\v!atpage=a pagina ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it] [\v!hencefore=come mostrato sopra]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it] [\v!hereafter=come mostrato sotto]
\setuplabeltext [\s!it]       [\v!see=cf. ]

\setuplabeltext [\s!fr]      [\v!page=page ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr]    [\v!atpage=à la page ]
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!hencefore=ci-dessus]
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!hereafter=ci-dessous]
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr]       [\v!see=cf. ]

%D Ordinal converters:

\def\frordinaldaynumber#1% date is masculine
  {\number#1\ifcase#1\or
     \highordinalstr{er}%
   \fi}

\defineconversion [\s!fr] [\v!day+] [\frordinaldaynumber]

%D \ShowAllLanguageValues [\s!fr] [french]     {French}     {kiss}        % franse slag
%D \ShowAllLanguageValues [\s!es] [spanish]    {Spanish}    {guitar}      % spaans benauwd
%D \ShowAllLanguageValues [\s!ca] [catalan]    {Catalan}    {cream}
%D \ShowAllLanguageValues [\s!it] [italian]    {Italian}    {aria}
%D \ShowAllLanguageValues [\s!la] [latin]      {Latin}      {lover}       % latijnse missen
%D \ShowAllLanguageValues [\s!pt] [portuguese] {Portuguese} {fisherman}
%D \ShowAllLanguageValues [\s!ro] [romanian]   {Romanian}   {traveller}

\protect \endinput

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 10-2-2010 8:55, Alan BRASLAU wrote:

> $ diff lang-ita.tex lang-ita.tex.orig
> 268c268
> <  \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!chapter=Chapitre]
> ---
>> \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!chapter=]
> 276c276
> <  \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!section=Section]
> ---
>> \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!section=]
> 284c284
> <  \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsection=Soussection]
> ---
>> \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsection=]
> 292c292
> <  \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsubsection=Soussoussection]
> ---
>> \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsubsection=]
> 300c300
> <  \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsubsubsection=Soussoussoussection]
> ---
>> \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsubsubsection=]
> 308c308
> <  \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!appendix=Annexe]
> ---
>> \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!appendix=]

we can add them commented as i don't think that users want to see 
"Chapter 1" every time

> BTW, in this file, some texts have trailing spaces and some do not.
> This is probably a bug?

no, figure~1 and so

> Also, some strings have unicode characters and some have escaped accents.
> This also should probably be cleaned-up.

at some point we can have mkii and mkiv versions (keep in mind that mkii 
uses them too and there we can have whatever encoding)

Hans

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Wednesday 10 February 2010 09:36:10 Hans Hagen wrote:
> we can add them commented as i don't think that users want to see 
> "Chapter 1" every time
> 

I have raised this question before. In fact, the strings *should* be defined
by the language and some (other) mechanism (option) should activate them
in the headings or not. Of course, they could (or should) by default
be inactive.


> > BTW, in this file, some texts have trailing spaces and some do not.
> > This is probably a bug?
> 
> no, figure~1 and so
> 

So some trailing spaces are missing in the file that I sent...

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Sebastien Mengin]

Le 09 févr. 2010 à 11:30, Peter Münster a écrit:
> Hello Sebastien,

Hi Peter,

Thanks for your interest.

> Anyway, it was not the latest version.
> 
> In the current version of MKIV, there is no support for language-specifics,
> so there is actually no support for switching back from French to another
> language.
> 
> > Did you have a look at the doc I posted yesterday?
> 
> Yes. I attach a recent t-french.tex file, that supports most of frenchb.

ok, I just installed the current ConTeXt minimal and your module works
fine.

> > 4. footnotes are displayed "à la française".
> 
> What is this?

The footnote mark is not superscript and followed by a dot.

> > 5. the space after \dots is removed in French.
> 
> There is no space.

Comment: \dots actually produces a space, not \ldots.

> > 1. French quotation marks
> 
> \quotation{...}

There I should probably dive in the doc cause I'd be surprised nothing
is set up for the following issue, but, in French, if we have a
quotation in a quotation, the second pair of quotation marks shoud
appear as `` and ''.

\quotation{Citation \quotation{exemple}}

If I do \quotation{Citation ``exemple''} the result is incorrect.

> > 4. Commands \primo, \secundo, \tertio and \quarto print 1o, 2o, 3o, 4o.
> > \FrenchEnumerate{6} prints 6o.
> 
> > obtained via the commands \No, \Nos, \no, \nos.

> > 6. Two commands are provided to typeset the symbol for \degre

> No.

You mean: not for the moment?

> > 8. A command \nombre was provided in 1.x versions to easily format numbers
> 
> \dorecurse6{
> \setdigitmode \recurselevel\relax
> \recurselevel: \digits{12.345,90} \digits{12.345.000} \digits{1,23}\par}

The third item of this example is correct in French.

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Wednesday 10 February 2010 10:07:26 Sebastien Mengin wrote:
> > > 4. Commands \primo, \secundo, \tertio and \quarto print 1o, 2o, 3o, 4o.
> > > \FrenchEnumerate{6} prints 6o.
> >
> > 
> >
> > > obtained via the commands \No, \Nos, \no, \nos.
> > >
> > > 6. Two commands are provided to typeset the symbol for \degre
> >
> > No.
> 
> You mean: not for the moment?
> 

Of course, should be 1°, 2°.
I believe that "No" means that \primo, \secundo, ... and \No, \Nos, ...
make absolutely NO sense in mkiv, nor does \degre as we have unicode input.

Nothing, of course, prevents a user from defining \degre, etc.
if he/she prefers to write input in this way.

(I suppose that one could take a similar position on other, traditional
TeX definitions like \ldots and many others...)

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 10.02.10 10:07, schrieb Sebastien Mengin:

>>> 1. French quotation marks
>>
>> \quotation{...}
>
> There I should probably dive in the doc cause I'd be surprised nothing
> is set up for the following issue, but, in French, if we have a
> quotation in a quotation, the second pair of quotation marks shoud
> appear as `` and ''.
>
> \quotation{Citation \quotation{exemple}}
>
> If I do \quotation{Citation ``exemple''} the result is incorrect.

\quotation{Citation \quote{exemple}}

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Sebastien Mengin]

Le 10 févr. 2010 à 03:04, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit:
> Am 10.02.10 10:07, schrieb Sebastien Mengin:
>
>>>> 1. French quotation marks
>>>
>>> \quotation{...}
>>
>> There I should probably dive in the doc cause I'd be surprised nothing
>> is set up for the following issue, but, in French, if we have a
>> quotation in a quotation, the second pair of quotation marks shoud
>> appear as `` and ''.
>>
>> \quotation{Citation \quotation{exemple}}
>>
>> If I do \quotation{Citation ``exemple''} the result is incorrect.
>
> \quotation{Citation \quote{exemple}}

Right, thanks.
I'd like to be able to do « Citation ``citation'' », though.
(Put clearly, I'm not sure I like the \quotaion{} mecanism.)

At the moment, the : `` actually prints literally, instead of printing
an english left double-quote.

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Thursday 11 February 2010 11:10:19 Sebastien Mengin wrote:
> Le 10 févr. 2010 à 03:04, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit:
> > Am 10.02.10 10:07, schrieb Sebastien Mengin:
> >>>> 1. French quotation marks
> >>>
> >>> \quotation{...}
> >>
> >> There I should probably dive in the doc cause I'd be surprised nothing
> >> is set up for the following issue, but, in French, if we have a
> >> quotation in a quotation, the second pair of quotation marks shoud
> >> appear as `` and ''.
> >>
> >> \quotation{Citation \quotation{exemple}}
> >>
> >> If I do \quotation{Citation ``exemple''} the result is incorrect.
> >
> > \quotation{Citation \quote{exemple}}
> 
> Right, thanks.
> I'd like to be able to do « Citation ``citation'' », though.
> (Put clearly, I'm not sure I like the \quotaion{} mecanism.)
> 
> At the moment, the : `` actually prints literally, instead of printing
> an english left double-quote.
> 

In this case, use: « Citation “citation” »

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Bernhard Rosensteiner]

Am 08.02.2010 um 12:43 schrieb Sebastien Mengin:

> Le 08 févr. 2010 à 12:25, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what  
>> feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX  
>> system or unavailable in any TeX system?
> 
> I once tried to list the different points missing regarding the french
> language support and think of a way to integrate them as a module for
> ConTeXt, as frenchb [1] does for LaTeX.
> 
> This is finally not trivial at all (at least for me).
> 
> I don't know if this goes in the category « something missing » you are
> talking about... but for me, it is a reason why I stick to LaTeX.
> 
> [1] http://daniel.flipo.free.fr/frenchb/index.html
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> -- 
> Sébastien Mengin

Hi,

there is a nice LaTeX package called floatrow. Most of the things what it does you can do with ConTeXt much more easily expect (i think) one thing: placing more than one picture in a given width with automatic rescaling of the images so all images in one row have the same height. This feature is really handy for me. Maybe there is something in ConTeXt which does the same and i´m missing something?

best regards
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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 08.02.10 12:43, schrieb Sebastien Mengin:
> I once tried to list the different points missing regarding the french
> language support and think of a way to integrate them as a module for
> ConTeXt, as frenchb [1] does for LaTeX.
>
> This is finally not trivial at all (at least for me).
>    
Do you have a english version of the manual or can you make a summary
what the package provides (it's hard to guess from the commands)?

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Sebastien Mengin]

Le 08 févr. 2010 à 01:14, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit:
> Am 08.02.10 12:43, schrieb Sebastien Mengin:
>> I once tried to list the different points missing regarding the french
>> language support and think of a way to integrate them as a module for
>> ConTeXt, as frenchb [1] does for LaTeX.
>>
>> This is finally not trivial at all (at least for me).
>>    
> Do you have a english version of the manual or can you make a summary
> what the package provides (it's hard to guess from the commands)?

Yes, here's the manual (PDF) produced from the DTX file from CTAN.

http://edilibre.net/depot/frenchb.pdf

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Peter Münster]

On Mon, Feb 08 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what 
> feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX 
> system or unavailable in any TeX system?

The lst-listing package from LaTeX is very good.

I would be nice, to get at least support for pretty printing the
language C.

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Monday 08 February 2010 12:25:58 Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what
> feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX
> system or unavailable in any TeX system?
> 
> Wolfgang

Hello,

I have been using the (old) chart module to draw not only flow charts
but also to draw functional diagrams for gas handling and
hydrolics systems. This module could be significantly developped,
in particular though abstraction of node placement, color, etc.

One could go further, drawing tree diagrams. Here, I am thinking
about some of the possibilities of pgf/TiKz. Something probably
already exists in Metapost, but it would be nice to have such
tools native in ConTeXt.

pgf/TiKz is a nice package, and I like its support for ConTeXt.
However, a simpler, cleaner interface and syntax can be achieved
natively in ConTeXt and Metapost...

Going a bit further, I suppose that the same logic could be applied
to drawing schematic diagrams for electronics.

And why not abstract this further? One could then flexibly
logically place (and connect) containers of any sort.
I use collectors and columnsetspan to put together posters (A0).
This could be made easier.

Alan


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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 08.02.10 14:41, schrieb Alan BRASLAU:

> And why not abstract this further? One could then flexibly
> logically place (and connect) containers of any sort.
> I use collectors and columnsetspan to put together posters (A0).
> This could be made easier.

The flowfram [1] package for LaTeX looks like a good example how this 
can be done and with the current stream and layer mechanism it should be 
doable to provide something similar in ConTeXt.

[1] http://ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/flowfram.html

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

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I'd just like to chime in that a new bibliography system would be first
suggestion for ConTeXt. I've only used BibTeX a few times, and never
BibLaTeX (because I'd already switched to ConTeXT), but it's inflexibility
makes it unworkable.

Ideally ConTeXt could provide its general sensible-ness (and Lua power) to
do for bibliographies what it has already done for TeX. CSL support and
something similar to string.format('%s. (%s). %s.', author, year, title) or
something just as easy for defining a new output style would be the two
features most desired. If MLA were finally implemented (or implementable)
for \cite{} in TeX, I would be a very happy masters student indeed ;)

(BibLaTeX's MLA did not work for me in LyX, which is about as far as I'm
going to go into LaTeX).

Until then I'll just use the MLA setup environment from the ConTeXt wiki and
input my refs by hand.

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Wolfgang Schuster <
schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Am 08.02.10 14:41, schrieb Alan BRASLAU:
>
>
>  And why not abstract this further? One could then flexibly
>> logically place (and connect) containers of any sort.
>> I use collectors and columnsetspan to put together posters (A0).
>> This could be made easier.
>>
>
> The flowfram [1] package for LaTeX looks like a good example how this can
> be done and with the current stream and layer mechanism it should be doable
> to provide something similar in ConTeXt.
>
> [1] http://ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/flowfram.html
>
> Wolfgang
>
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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

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Hello Wolfgang!


On 2010-02-08 <12:25:58>, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing,
> what feature or package do you miss which is already available in
> another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?
Most definately: all the details of Philipp Lehman's BibLaTeX package
which is one of the greatest things LaTeX has to offer: multi-part
bibliographies, lots of different citation rules, manifold idem/ibidem/
op. cit. &c handling, authoring new styles -- all solved in one single
stroke and neatly documented.

That'd be "nice to have" …


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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Bernhard Rosensteiner]

Am 08.02.2010 um 14:49 schrieb Philipp Gesang:

> Hello Wolfgang!
> 
> 
> On 2010-02-08 <12:25:58>, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing,
>> what feature or package do you miss which is already available in
>> another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?
> Most definately: all the details of Philipp Lehman's BibLaTeX package
> which is one of the greatest things LaTeX has to offer: multi-part
> bibliographies, lots of different citation rules, manifold idem/ibidem/
> op. cit. &c handling, authoring new styles -- all solved in one single
> stroke and neatly documented.

yes, apart from floatrow i mentioned earlier biblatex features are superior.
AFAIKS the bibliography module will be rewritten and maybe will have similar features?
nevertheless for me ConTeXt is way ahead of LaTeX!

best regards
Bernhard

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Taco Hoekwater]

Philipp Gesang wrote:
> Hello Wolfgang!
> 
> 
> On 2010-02-08 <12:25:58>, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing,
>> what feature or package do you miss which is already available in
>> another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?
> Most definately: all the details of Philipp Lehman's BibLaTeX package
> which is one of the greatest things LaTeX has to offer: multi-part
> bibliographies, lots of different citation rules, manifold idem/ibidem/
> op. cit. &c handling, authoring new styles -- all solved in one single
> stroke and neatly documented.
> 
> That'd be "nice to have" …

Well, the context bib module predates biblatex by a few years,
and I never got around doing a rewrite after biblatex had
added new stuff the bib module didn't have ...

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 8-2-2010 14:49, Philipp Gesang wrote:
> Hello Wolfgang!
>
>
> On 2010-02-08<12:25:58>, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing,
>> what feature or package do you miss which is already available in
>> another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?
> Most definately: all the details of Philipp Lehman's BibLaTeX package
> which is one of the greatest things LaTeX has to offer: multi-part
> bibliographies, lots of different citation rules, manifold idem/ibidem/
> op. cit.&c handling, authoring new styles -- all solved in one single
> stroke and neatly documented.
>
> That'd be "nice to have" …

fyi: the whole bin stuff will be redone in mkiv. some of it is already 
done.

1 - mkii compatible support (built in, no module)
2 - loading of bib databases in memory and converte them in an xml tree
3 - access to entries in arbitrary ways using path expressions
4 - rewrite of rendering variants using the built in xml handler

1 is more or less done, 2 also, 3 is possible but we might want more and 
for 4 taco and i will cook up an interface

Hans


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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Philipp Gesang]

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On 2010-02-08 <16:12:09>, Hans Hagen wrote:
> fyi: the whole bin stuff will be redone in mkiv. some of it is
> already done.
> 
> 1 - mkii compatible support (built in, no module)
> 2 - loading of bib databases in memory and converte them in an xml tree
> 3 - access to entries in arbitrary ways using path expressions
> 4 - rewrite of rendering variants using the built in xml handler
> 
> 1 is more or less done, 2 also, 3 is possible but we might want more
> and for 4 taco and i will cook up an interface

Great news, indeed!  Is some of this already usable / accessable by way
of functions in minimals?  I can't wait to have a glance at those
features, especially no. 3.

Regards,


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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 08.02.10 22:14, schrieb Philipp Gesang:
> On 2010-02-08<16:12:09>, Hans Hagen wrote:
>    
>> fyi: the whole bin stuff will be redone in mkiv. some of it is
>> already done.
>>
>> 1 - mkii compatible support (built in, no module)
>> 2 - loading of bib databases in memory and converte them in an xml tree
>> 3 - access to entries in arbitrary ways using path expressions
>> 4 - rewrite of rendering variants using the built in xml handler
>>
>> 1 is more or less done, 2 also, 3 is possible but we might want more
>> and for 4 taco and i will cook up an interface
>>      
> Great news, indeed!  Is some of this already usable / accessable by way
> of functions in minimals?  I can't wait to have a glance at those
> features, especially no. 3.
>    
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20100126.184359.e6567256.en.html

Wolfgang

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Philipp Gesang]

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On 2010-02-08 <22:26:06>, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> >Great news, indeed!  Is some of this already usable / accessable by way
> >of functions in minimals?  I can't wait to have a glance at those
> >features, especially no. 3.
> http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20100126.184359.e6567256.en.html
Ahh, thanks for the example.  But when running context on it I get the
following:

  ----------
! Undefined control sequence.
\@@su:xml:bibtex:sorter #1->\xmlresetsorter 
                                            {bibtex}\xmlfilter {#1}{e/comman...
l.71 ...etup{bibtex:somebibtex}{xml:bibtex:sorter}
  ----------

which is odd because \xmlresetsorter _is_ defined in lxml-sor.mkiv.
Furthermore when I add

  ----------
\unprotect
\def\xmlresetsorter     #1{\ctxlua{lxml.sorters.reset("#1")}}
\protect 
  ----------

to the preamble, I get a lua error ("attempt to index field 'sorters' (a
nil value)").

But thank you anyways, I now have an impression about how things may
look like in the future and I promise to read
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/XML#XML.2FConTeXt_in_general next weekend.

Regards,


Philipp



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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 08.02.10 23:08, schrieb Philipp Gesang:

> But thank you anyways, I now have an impression about how things may
> look like in the future and I promise to read
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/XML#XML.2FConTeXt_in_general next weekend.

For MkIV read this: http://pragma-ade.com/show-man-43.htm

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 8-2-2010 23:08, Philipp Gesang wrote:
> On 2010-02-08<22:26:06>, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>>> Great news, indeed!  Is some of this already usable / accessable by way
>>> of functions in minimals?  I can't wait to have a glance at those
>>> features, especially no. 3.
>> http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20100126.184359.e6567256.en.html
> Ahh, thanks for the example.  But when running context on it I get the
> following:
>
>    ----------
> ! Undefined control sequence.
> \@@su:xml:bibtex:sorter #1->\xmlresetsorter

maye your version is too old

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Philipp Gesang]

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On 2010-02-08 <23:20:17>, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 8-2-2010 23:08, Philipp Gesang wrote:
> >On 2010-02-08<22:26:06>, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> >>>Great news, indeed!  Is some of this already usable / accessable by way
> >>>of functions in minimals?  I can't wait to have a glance at those
> >>>features, especially no. 3.
> >>http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20100126.184359.e6567256.en.html
> >Ahh, thanks for the example.  But when running context on it I get the
> >following:
> >
> >   ----------
> >! Undefined control sequence.
> >\@@su:xml:bibtex:sorter #1->\xmlresetsorter
> 
> maye your version is too old
That was it, sorry, I reinstalled minimals and LuaTeX recently and
forgot to update ConTeXt.  Now the file is processed and I get a pdf
file containing the words
  --------
sortkeys:
n   id  entry
  --------
and an hrule beneath that.  As I'm not (yet) familiar with the control
sequences used in the file as well as parts of its syntax, I can only
guess that there's a table missing from "\startxmlsetups bibtex:one
\starttabulate etc.".
Good night,


Philipp

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Curiouslearn]

Nice thread. Thanks for starting this Wolfgang.

First of all, Context is great and I love it. I think I miss the
geometry package of the latex. It makes setting margins very easy. I
think setting margins (left, right, top and bottom) could be easier in
Context.

I am glad that tikz has started working well with context. That is a
big relief.

I hope (and this perhaps has nothing to do with the brilliant Context
development team) is that journals start accepting Context files.
While I use context for my personal and class notes, for articles I am
still forced to go to latex because journals do not accept context
files.



On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Philipp Gesang
<pgesang@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:
> On 2010-02-08 <23:20:17>, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> On 8-2-2010 23:08, Philipp Gesang wrote:
>> >On 2010-02-08<22:26:06>, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>> >>>Great news, indeed!  Is some of this already usable / accessable by way
>> >>>of functions in minimals?  I can't wait to have a glance at those
>> >>>features, especially no. 3.
>> >>http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20100126.184359.e6567256.en.html
>> >Ahh, thanks for the example.  But when running context on it I get the
>> >following:
>> >
>> >   ----------
>> >! Undefined control sequence.
>> >\@@su:xml:bibtex:sorter #1->\xmlresetsorter
>>
>> maye your version is too old
> That was it, sorry, I reinstalled minimals and LuaTeX recently and
> forgot to update ConTeXt.  Now the file is processed and I get a pdf
> file containing the words
>  --------
> sortkeys:
> n   id  entry
>  --------
> and an hrule beneath that.  As I'm not (yet) familiar with the control
> sequences used in the file as well as parts of its syntax, I can only
> guess that there's a table missing from "\startxmlsetups bibtex:one
> \starttabulate etc.".
> Good night,
>
>
> Philipp
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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Tuesday 09 February 2010 03:50:27 Curiouslearn wrote:
> 
> I hope (and this perhaps has nothing to do with the brilliant Context
> development team) is that journals start accepting Context files.
> While I use context for my personal and class notes, for articles I am
> still forced to go to latex because journals do not accept context
> files.
> 

In fact, not many journals even accept LaTeX: I sometimes have to submit
so-called ".txt" files!

As Otared Kavian pointed out, the mathematics journals are a bit more
advanced (as are the purely physics journals), and LaTeX is even a
standard. Unfortunately, arXiv.org (still) has problems with ConTeXt,
as the submitted source is detected as TeX but the compilation fails.
One is thus obligated to translate to LaTeX:
  "Your (La)TeX, AMS(La)TeX, or PDFLaTeX submission will be processed 
automatically by our AutoTeX software."

Now, if only my administration and funding agencies would stop sending 
MS-Word files...

Alan
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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[John Haltiwanger]

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On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr> wrote:

> On Tuesday 09 February 2010 03:50:27 Curiouslearn wrote:
> >
> > I hope (and this perhaps has nothing to do with the brilliant Context
> > development team) is that journals start accepting Context files.
> > While I use context for my personal and class notes, for articles I am
> > still forced to go to latex because journals do not accept context
> > files.
> >
>
> In fact, not many journals even accept LaTeX: I sometimes have to submit
> so-called ".txt" files!
>
> As Otared Kavian pointed out, the mathematics journals are a bit more
> advanced (as are the purely physics journals), and LaTeX is even a
> standard. Unfortunately, arXiv.org (still) has problems with ConTeXt,
> as the submitted source is detected as TeX but the compilation fails.
> One is thus obligated to translate to LaTeX:
>  "Your (La)TeX, AMS(La)TeX, or PDFLaTeX submission will be processed
> automatically by our AutoTeX software."
>
> Now, if only my administration and funding agencies would stop sending
> MS-Word files...
>
> Alan
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Perhaps not an appropriate solution in all cases, but the application Pandoc
is able to generate standalone LaTeX files. One has to use something other
than ConTeXt as an input language (it can translate LaTeX input but so far
no ConTeXt; I use Markdown but reStructuredText and HTML are also available.
The standalone LaTeX files generated (meaning they include the header setup)
compile fine, at least the ones I've tested (ConTeXt standalone seems to
require Mk.II).

I must say I'm very impressed with this software. It turned all of my ""s
into \quotation{}, for instance, and it knows to do {\it italics} rather
than \it{italics}. One could also generate a Word document (via
OpenOffice.org ODT format output). Not to mention HTML.

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 09.02.10 03:50, schrieb Curiouslearn:
> Nice thread. Thanks for starting this Wolfgang.
>
> First of all, Context is great and I love it. I think I miss the
> geometry package of the latex. It makes setting margins very easy. I
> think setting margins (left, right, top and bottom) could be easier in
> Context.

ConTeXt use a more sofisticated page model than LaTeX, you have not only 
left and right margin but also left/right edges and each page consists 
of three separate layer, one for the paper, on for the page and on top 
the layer for the text, headers, footers and margin texts.

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 9-2-2010 0:40, Philipp Gesang wrote:
> On 2010-02-08<23:20:17>, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> On 8-2-2010 23:08, Philipp Gesang wrote:
>>> On 2010-02-08<22:26:06>, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>>>>> Great news, indeed!  Is some of this already usable / accessable by way
>>>>> of functions in minimals?  I can't wait to have a glance at those
>>>>> features, especially no. 3.
>>>> http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20100126.184359.e6567256.en.html
>>> Ahh, thanks for the example.  But when running context on it I get the
>>> following:
>>>
>>>    ----------
>>> ! Undefined control sequence.
>>> \@@su:xml:bibtex:sorter #1->\xmlresetsorter
>>
>> maye your version is too old
> That was it, sorry, I reinstalled minimals and LuaTeX recently and
> forgot to update ConTeXt.  Now the file is processed and I get a pdf
> file containing the words
>    --------
> sortkeys:
> n   id  entry
>    --------
> and an hrule beneath that.  As I'm not (yet) familiar with the control
> sequences used in the file as well as parts of its syntax, I can only
> guess that there's a table missing from "\startxmlsetups bibtex:one
> \starttabulate etc.".

are those two files present and can they be found?

\registerbibtexfile [somebibtex][tugboat.bib]
\registerbibtexfile [somebibtex][komoedie.bib]

Hans

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Philipp Gesang]

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On 2010-02-09 <15:04:16>, Hans Hagen wrote:
> are those two files present and can they be found?
> 
> \registerbibtexfile [somebibtex][tugboat.bib]
> \registerbibtexfile [somebibtex][komoedie.bib]
They were present but somehow minimals don't use the TeXlive tree, so
had to symlink them and it's working now.  (Why don't I at least get a
*warning* or something like that in the log?)

Quite impressive!  I'll have closer look at it next weekend.

Thanks for your patience,


Philipp


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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 9-2-2010 15:27, Philipp Gesang wrote:
> On 2010-02-09<15:04:16>, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> are those two files present and can they be found?
>>
>> \registerbibtexfile [somebibtex][tugboat.bib]
>> \registerbibtexfile [somebibtex][komoedie.bib]
> They were present but somehow minimals don't use the TeXlive tree, so
> had to symlink them and it's working now.  (Why don't I at least get a
> *warning* or something like that in the log?)

because it is new code that need to mature

Hans

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

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On Feb 9, 2010, at 12:40 AM, Philipp Gesang wrote:

> That was it, sorry, I reinstalled minimals and LuaTeX recently and
> forgot to update ConTeXt.  Now the file is processed and I get a pdf
> file containing the words
>  --------
> sortkeys:
> n   id  entry
>  --------
> and an hrule beneath that.  As I'm not (yet) familiar with the control
> sequences used in the file as well as parts of its syntax, I can only
> guess that there's a table missing from "\startxmlsetups bibtex:one
> \starttabulate etc.".
> Good night,
> 
> 
> Philipp

In order to see what this example does, you will have to use your own bib file and examples from it. I attach a modified test file with a small bib so you can test. However, I don't yet understand how to use this either. Let's hope this goes trough to the list.

All best

Thomas


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\def\MF {MF} \def\MP {MP} \def\TUB{TUGboat} \def\Mc {Mac}
\def\sltt{\tt} \def\acro#1{#1}

\usemodule[abr-01]

\startxmlsetups bibtex
   % todo: messy
   \xmlregistereddocumentsetups{#1}{}
   \xmlsetsetup{#1}{bibtex|c|e|v}{bibtex:*}
   \xmlmain{#1}
\stopxmlsetups

% \xmlregisterdocumentsetup{bibtex:somebibtex}{bibtex:main}

\startxmlsetups bibtex:bibtex
   \xmlfilter{#1}{e/v[@n=='author' and find(text(),'Arafat') or find(text(),'Joyner')]/../command(bibtex:one)}
\stopxmlsetups

\startxmlsetups bibtex:c
\stopxmlsetups

\startxmlsetups bibtex:e
\stopxmlsetups

% \startxmlsetups bibtex:v
%    \xmlflushcontext{#1}
% \stopxmlsetups

\startxmlsetups xml:bibtex:sorter
   \xmlresetsorter{bibtex}
   \xmlfilter{#1}{e/command(bibtex:entry:getkeys)}
   \blank sortkeys: \blank\xmlshowsorter{bibtex}\blank
   \xmlsortentries{bibtex}
   \xmlflushsorter{bibtex}{bibtex:entry:flush}
\stopxmlsetups

\startxmlsetups bibtex:entry:getkeys
   \xmladdsortentry{bibtex}{#1}{\xmlfilter{#1}{/v[@n=='author']/text()}}
   \xmladdsortentry{bibtex}{#1}{\xmlfilter{#1}{/v[@n=='year']/text()}}
   \xmladdsortentry{bibtex}{#1}{\xmlatt{#1}{n}}
\stopxmlsetups

\startxmlsetups bibtex:one
   \starttabulate
   \NC id     \NC \xmlatt{#1}{n} \NC \NR
   \NC author \NC \xmlfilter{#1}{/v[@n=='author']/context()} \NC \NR
   \NC title  \NC \xmlfilter{#1}{/v[@n=='title']/context()} \NC \NR
   \stoptabulate
\stopxmlsetups

\startxmlsetups bibtex:entry:flush
   \xmlfilter{#1}{/v[@n=='author']/context()} / %
   \xmlfilter{#1}{/v[@n=='year']/context()}   / %
   \xmlatt{#1}{n}\par
\stopxmlsetups


\starttext

\definebibtexsession [somebibtex]
% \registerbibtexentry [somebibtex][Hagen:TB26-2-152]
%\registerbibtexfile  [somebibtex][tugboat.bib]
\registerbibtexfile  [somebibtex][test.bib]
% \registerbibtexentry [somebibtex][Hagen:TB26-2-152]
\preparebibtexsession[somebibtex]
\applytobibtexsession[somebibtex][bibtex]

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@Book{arafatpausanias,
  author	= {Arafat, Karim W.},
  title		= {Pausanias' Greece: Ancient Artists and Roman Rulers},
  address	= {Cambridge (Engl.)},
  publisher	= {Cambridge  UP},
  year		= {1996},
  annote	= {BMCRev 1997 8 (1): 11-14 Kenneth D. S. Lapatin ; BMCRev 1997 8 (3): 191-194 Kenneth D. S. Lapatin ; EMC 1996 40 (3): 458-462 Christopher P. Jones ; Phoenix 1997 51 (2): 229-233 Nigel Martin Kennell ; TLS 1996 N 4883: 30 Peter Levi ; AJA 1998 102 (4): 843-844 Michael C. Hoff ; NECN 1997-1998 25 (1): 23-24 Hugh Elton ; JRS 2000 90: 232-233 Harry Sidebottom ; Klio 2000 82 (1): 277-278 J{\"o}rn Kobes ; Gnomon 2001 73 (2): 109-111 Christian Habicht ; OAth 2000-2001 25-26: 124-128 Helene Whittaker},
}

@Book{pausaniashardt,
  title		= {Pausanias historien: huit expos{\'e}s suivis de discussions},
  editor        = {Jean Bingen},
  address	= {Vand{\oe}uvres},
  publisher	= {Fondation Hardt},
  year		= {1996},
  series	= {Entretiens sur l'Antiquit{\'e} classique},
  volume	= {41},
  annote	= {AAHG 1999 52 (1-2): 95-98 Karl Christ ; Phoenix 1997 51 (2): 229-233 Nigel Martin Kennell},
}

@Book{pritchettpausanias,
  author	= {Pritchett, W. Kendrick},
  title		= {Pausanias Periegetes},
  address	= {Amsterdam},
  publisher	= {Gieben},
  year		= {1998--1999},
  month         = {2},
  series	= {Archaia Hellas: monographs on ancient Greek history and archaeology},
  volume	= {6--7},
  annote	= {LEC 2000 68 (4): 396-397 Olivier Gengler ; Antiquit{\'e} Classique 2000 69: 327-329 Dominique Mulliez},
}

@Book{editer,
  title		= {{\'E}diter, traduire, commenter Pausanias en l'an 2000: actes du colloque de Neuch{\^a}tel et de Fribourg (18-22 septembre 1998): autour des deux {\'e}ditions en cours de la \quote{P{\'e}ri{\'e}g{\`e}se} (Coll. des universit{\'e}s de France -- Fondazione Lorenzo Valla)},
  editor        = {Denis Knoepfler and Marcel Pi{\'e}rart},
  address	= {Gen{\`e}ve},
  publisher	= {Droz},
  year		= {2001},
  series	= {Recueil de travaux publi{\'e}s par la Facult{\'e} des lettres et sciences humaines, Universit{\'e} de Neuch{\^a}tel},
  volume	= {49},
  annote	= {Antiquit{\'e} Classique 2003 72: 369-371 Francis Prost ; JRA 2003 16 (2): 673-676 Christopher P. Jones ; MH 2003 60 (4): 231-232 Jan Felix Gaertner ; RA 2003 N. S. (2): 418-419 Gunnel Ekroth ; REA 2003 105 (2): 654-656 {\'E}ric Foulon ; Klio 2003 85 (2): 538-540 Johannes Engels ; RBPh 2006 84 (1): 144-146 Alain Duplouy ; Topoi (Lyon) 2005 12-13 (2): 587-604 Madeleine Jost},
}

@Article{arafatpausaniastraveller,
  author	= {Arafat, Karim W.},
  title		= {Pausanias the Traveller: Digressions on the Wonders of Nature and of Foreign Lands},
  journal	= {Euphrosyne},
  year		= {1999},
  volume	= {27},
  pages		= {237--248},
  annote	= {R{\'e}flexions sur l'attitude de Pausanias vis-{\`a}-vis des non-Grecs et son empressement {\`a} faire conna{\^i}tre les choses curieuses {\`a} ses lecteurs grecs},
}

@Article{joynerpausanias1,
  author	= {Joyner, Graham},
  title		= {Pausanias and His Guide Book. 1, the Man and His Work},
  journal	= {AH},
  year		= {1998},
  volume	= {28},
  pages		= {113--135},
  annote	= {On the scope, form, genre, and publication of Pausanias' work, as well as what we know about Pausanias the man (his background, date, and range of travels).},
}

@Article{joynerpausanias23,
  author	= {Joyner, Graham},
  title		= {Pausanias and His Guide Book. 2, Pausanias at Work; 3, the Value of Pausanias},
  journal	= {AH},
  year		= {1999},
  volume	= {29},
  pages		= {46--67},
  annote	= {On the extent to which Pausanias may be considered a historian ; how he worked and used his sources ; and his models. The conclusion is that Pausanias was writing a guide-book rather than primarily writing history. Though Pausanias is selective, he is useful to us as the interpreter of the past, and the scope of his work is enormous. For part 1 => 73-00000.},
}

@Article{sidebottompausanias,
  author	= {Sidebottom, Harry},
  title		= {Pausanias: Past, Present, and Closure},
  journal	= {Classical Quarterly},
  year		= {2002},
  volume	= {52},
  pages		= {494--499},
  annote	= {The only vaguely fixed frame of periodization of political history that Pausanias has is a tripartite one of pre-heroic, heroic, and post-heroic. When looking backwards or forwards, however, Pausanias often juxtaposes things from widely different times, bringing the past into close relation to the present and creating the impression that they belong together. This strategy reaches its culmination in Book 10, which can be seen not as an unfinished piece of work but as a sophisticated tour de force.},
}

@Article{pretzlerturning,
  author	= {Pretzler, Maria},
  title		= {Turning Travel Into Text: Pausanias at Work},
  journal	= {Greece \& Rome},
  year		= {2004},
  volume	= {51},
  pages		= {199--216},
  annote	= {Only a close scrutiny of the \quote{Periegesis} together with other sources for the activities of ancient travellers allow insight into the process that led to Pausanias' published work. Internal references show that Pausanias wrote between the 150s and ca. A.D. 180. The \quote{Periegesis} represents a meandering route through Greece that does not reproduce an actual itinerary. Pausanias developed a geographical ordering that avoided repetition and was easy to remember. The work reflects a traveller's view of geography: although links among regions reveal Pausanias' grasp of the Greek landscape, adjacent geographical features are often not connected if they are not along the same route. Pausanias focused on sacred buildings, statues, and memorials that he considered \quote{wort
 h seeing} even if they were damaged, and regardless of their aesthetic appeal. His insistence on autopsy makes his work valuable.},
}

@Book{pretzlertravel,
  author =	 {Maria Pretzler},
  title =	 {Pausanias. Travel Writing in Ancient Greece},
  publisher =	 {Duckworth},
  year =	 2007,
  address =	 {London}}

@InCollection{goldhillreligion,
  author	= {Goldhill, Simon},
  title		= {Religion, Wissenschaftlichkeit und griechische Identit{\"a}t im r{\"o}mischen Kaiserreich},
  crossref	= {ostenrupkewaldner},
  pages		= {125--140},
  annote	= {Einige bislang unterbewertete Passagen von Autoren der \quote{Zweiten Sophistik} (Pausanias, Plutarch, Aelius Aristides) werden daraufhin untersucht, was sie {\"u}ber den Umgang der Intellektuellen des 2. Jh. mit Tradition und polytheistischer Religion aussagen.},
}

@Book{ostenrupkewaldner,
  title		= {Texte als Medium und Reflexion von Religion im r{\"o}mischen Reich},
  editor        = {Dorothee Elm von der Osten and J{\"o}rg R{\"u}pke and Katharina Waldner},
  address	= {Stuttgart},
  publisher	= {Steiner},
  year		= {2006},
  series	= {Potsdamer altertumswissenschaftliche Beitr{\"a}ge},
  volume	= {14},
  annote	= {Antiquit{\'e} Classique 2007 76: 426-427 Fran{\ccedilla}oise Van Haeperen ; BMCRev 2007 (4): non pagin{\'e} Peter Van Nuffelen},
}

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[John Haltiwanger]

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On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Philipp Gesang <
pgesang@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:

> On 2010-02-08 <16:12:09>, Hans Hagen wrote:
> > fyi: the whole bin stuff will be redone in mkiv. some of it is
> > already done.
> >
> > 1 - mkii compatible support (built in, no module)
> > 2 - loading of bib databases in memory and converte them in an xml tree
> > 3 - access to entries in arbitrary ways using path expressions
> > 4 - rewrite of rendering variants using the built in xml handler
> >
> > 1 is more or less done, 2 also, 3 is possible but we might want more
> > and for 4 taco and i will cook up an interface
>

Whoops, somehow missed this bombshell while writing my last email. Excellent
news!

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Oliver Heins]

Philipp Gesang <pgesang@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> writes:

> Hello Wolfgang!
>
> On 2010-02-08 <12:25:58>, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing,
>> what feature or package do you miss which is already available in
>> another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?
> Most definately: all the details of Philipp Lehman's BibLaTeX package
> which is one of the greatest things LaTeX has to offer: multi-part
> bibliographies, lots of different citation rules, manifold idem/ibidem/
> op. cit. &c handling, authoring new styles -- all solved in one single
> stroke and neatly documented.
>
> That'd be "nice to have" …

I second this.  Right now, biblatex is the killer feature that I'm at
least partially stuck with LaTeX.

However, I wonder if it would be hard to do a port of biblatex to
context.  I've not looked into the code yet, but I doubt that there is
much LaTeX specific code...

Best regards,
 olli
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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[David Rogers]

* Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> [2010-02-08 12:25]:

>Hi all,
>
>ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, 
>what feature or package do you miss which is already available in 
>another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?


Five hundred pages of organized, detailed, up-to-date (well, somewhat
up-to-date) documentation, written by the small group of experts who are
so helpful on this list. If just one of you was unable to continue your
excellent work, FAR too much of the world knowledge of ConTeXt would
simply be gone, and that's not a good situation.

Compared to this, new features can wait - but here's my feature: ConTeXt
itself has beautiful support for side-by-side translations. It makes me
happy every time I look at the results. But... it works only on separate
pages. Making it work on columns as well would make my life easier. (May
be impossible, but you asked...)

|Original Language|First Translation|Second Translation|
|Bla bla bla ...  |Blu blu blu ...  |Ble ble ble ...   |


-- 
Thanks
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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 8-2-2010 18:29, David Rogers wrote:

> |Original Language|First Translation|Second Translation|
> |Bla bla bla ... |Blu blu blu ... |Ble ble ble ... |

it's one of the things on the agenda for mkiv but it has to wait for a 
while till we have opened up the page builder a bit more in luatex



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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Otared Kavian]

On 8 févr. 2010, at 12:25, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?
> 
> Wolfgang

Hi Wolfgang and all ConTeXters,

Thanks for asking us the question.
I haven't really missed any particular feature, since each time I wanted to do something less elementary, I found out that the feature is actually waiting there, and I have just to be a little bit patient and look in the manuals or on th wiki. And if I am not patient (that is most of the time…) some wizards on the list are so patient and so wise that they know how to do things.

Now, that said, I do all my presentations with ConTeXt, and there is one thing which should be added for more ease of use: a stepwise procedure which can do better than the RawSteps module I use (see http://wiki.contextgarden.net/RawSteps), and which would also work with the simpleslides modules set up by Thomas A. Schmitz and Aditya Mahajan.

Another problem one may encounter is that, as far as I know, the Mathematics journals do not accept yet a paper written in ConTeXt. So at some point, when submitting the source file of the paper, one has to « translate » ConTeXt commands into plain-TeX or LaTeX.  I wish I had a script, for instance
go-back-2-latex.lua
(or any other language) which would take as input the file
my-beautiful-article.tex
written in ConTeXt and turn it to 
my-ugly-article.in-latex.tex. 
Actually I do this manually and, despite being time consuming, I prefer to write in ConTeXt and to translate my paper into LaTeX at the very last step.

Best wishes: OK


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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 9-2-2010 6:53, Otared Kavian wrote:

> Now, that said, I do all my presentations with ConTeXt, and there is one thing which should be added for more ease of use: a stepwise procedure which can do better than the RawSteps module I use (see http://wiki.contextgarden..net/RawSteps), and which would also work with the simpleslides modules set up by Thomas A. Schmitz and Aditya Mahajan.

There is a generic stepper:

\usemodule[pre-60] % use the stepper

\starttext

\title {Whatever}

\dorecurse{10} {
     \title{Just a few dummy pages}
     \StartSteps \startitemize[packed]
     \startitemize
         \startitem bla \FlushStep \stopitem
         \startitem bla bla \FlushStep \stopitem
         \startitem bla bla bla \FlushStep \stopitem
         \startitem bla bla bla bla \FlushStep \stopitem
     \stopitemize \StopSteps
}

> Actually I do this manually and, despite being time consuming, I prefer to write in ConTeXt and to translate my paper into LaTeX at the very last step.

i would not be surprised if the journal editors then translate it into 
their local variant; it's probably the text (plus time consuming 
formulas) they keep

Hans

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Vedran Miletić]

2010/2/8 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>:
> Hi all,
>
> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what
> feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX
> system or unavailable in any TeX system?
>
> Wolfgang

Ability to change math font to modern sans serif. I don't know how to
do it in LaTeX, but I know it's possible because beamer does it.

Regards,

-- 
Vedran Miletić
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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 09.02.10 13:09, schrieb Vedran Miletić:

> Ability to change math font to modern sans serif. I don't know how to
> do it in LaTeX, but I know it's possible because beamer does it.

In MkIV something like

\unprotect

\appendtoks
   \dosetfontattribute\??mo\c!style
\to \everymathematics

\appendtoks
   \setmathfunctionstyle{\mathematicsparameter\c!style}%
\to \everymathematics

\protect

\setupmathematics[style=sans]

does the job, the correct implementation is up to Hans and Aditya.

Wolfgang
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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Oliver Buerschaper]

> Hi all,
> 
> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?
> 
> Wolfgang


1. While TeX has been very strong at typesetting math traditionally its rivals are closing up and even surpassing TeX in this area partly. However, none of today's tools (including TeX) seem to be capable of laying out (2D) formulas fully automatically with the finest typographic results from their mathematical meaning alone. For example, in TeX I always find myself tweaking the spacing of glyphs or adjusting the size of brackets (among other things) once a formula becomes a little more involved. If TeX could make these decisions on its own it would help tremendously.

Of course, there's a limit to what extent visual aesthetics can be cast into algorithms ultimately but I do think that TeX can be improved significantly in this direction. I think what will help most is teaching TeX to not only think in terms of boxes but work with the actual glyph shapes.

For example, one could tackle the problem of delimiter sizes in the following way. First TeX needs to keep track of how deeply a given pair of delimiters is nested. This directly sets a certain minimal size if one wants nested brackets to increase in size towards the outside. Next TeX typesets all the material enclosed by the delimiters in question and inspects how the ink is actually spread out on paper. Based on knowledge about various features of the subformula's actual shape TeX can now make an informed decision about the surrounding delimiters. It is clear that for a visually pleasing result this decision will have to be different depending on whether the ink is, say, concentrated in one spot predominantly or smeared out over a long narrow band. So far TeX has only examined the total 
 height of this ink distribution which usually leads to excessively large delimiters. If one wants to quote a metaphor from optics TeX could analyze how much the ink distribution resembles an
  hourglass shaped light beam travelling back and forth between two facing round mirrors (i.e., the delimiters). One could then demand that the brackets' size is chosen such that a certain fraction of the enclosed ink is contained in the beam profile.

An approach based on glyph shapes could also help TeX to decide on how it places exponents. At the moment one has to decide manually whether an exponential is typeset as e^{\dots} or exp(\dots). Many more cases come to mind.

However, as far as I recall from conversations with Taco and others there are already some efforts underway to extend TeX's math skills :-)


2. I'd love to see better support for figures within formulas (in ConTeXt). I often use diagrammatic notation and find it difficult to align diagrams with the rest of the formula. For example, I'm missing a way to specify the math axis from within MetaPost code. That is, I'd like to mark an invisible point in the drawing which will later be aligned with the formula's math axis automatically.


3. I'd very much like to second Alan's suggestion to provide containers for text to flow in and out! Perhaps one could even go further and root ConTeXt entire page model in such an approach. After all, it's just text flowing in and out of pages together with fixed containers for headers and footers. This might also provide a consistent yet flexible foundation for all things columns.

While I'm at it (and because this is a wish list) having configurable page templates as in XSL-FO or Docscape would also be very nice :-)

Oliver
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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 09.02.10 17:31, schrieb Oliver Buerschaper:
> 3. I'd very much like to second Alan's suggestion to provide containers for text to flow in and out! Perhaps one could even go further and root ConTeXt entire page model in such an approach. After all, it's just text flowing in and out of pages together with fixed containers for headers and footers. This might also provide a consistent yet flexible foundation for all things columns.
If things where so easy in TeX we won’t have the problems with text in 
columns etc. as we currently have. Changing the line distance in the 
normal text can influence also header and footer texts and frames are 
not so easy too because once a text is typeset by TeX the linebreaks are 
fixed and you can't change them.

You're not the only one who wants such a flexible mechanism are you 
descibe but let’s see what features LuaTeX provide once the access to 
the pagebuilder is available.

Wolfgang

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Khaled Hosny]

On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 12:25:58PM +0100, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing,
> what feature or package do you miss which is already available in
> another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?

An implementation of Unicode Bidirectional Algorithm[1] and automatic,
script based font switching, Unicode Script Property[2]. Editing mixed
RTL and LTR text is mess already, adding to the mix LTR TeX commands for
every directionally switch makes it a nightmare. I ended up doing my
first pass without any directional commands at all then using some
regular expressions to post process the text, but this is no fun and
needs manual review not to mention that post editing that text still a
nightmare.

I've attempted to write the BiDi implementation several times myself, by
never managed to actually allocate enough time for it. ConTeXt already
has a BiDi implantation (typo-mir.{lua,mkiv}), but I gave up using it
because it is buggy and can be hardly used for any thing.

[1] http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr9/
[2] http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr24/

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 9-2-2010 18:50, Khaled Hosny wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 12:25:58PM +0100, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing,
>> what feature or package do you miss which is already available in
>> another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?
>
> An implementation of Unicode Bidirectional Algorithm[1] and automatic,
> script based font switching, Unicode Script Property[2]. Editing mixed
> RTL and LTR text is mess already, adding to the mix LTR TeX commands for
> every directionally switch makes it a nightmare. I ended up doing my
> first pass without any directional commands at all then using some
> regular expressions to post process the text, but this is no fun and
> needs manual review not to mention that post editing that text still a
> nightmare.
>
> I've attempted to write the BiDi implementation several times myself, by
> never managed to actually allocate enough time for it. ConTeXt already
> has a BiDi implantation (typo-mir.{lua,mkiv}), but I gave up using it
> because it is buggy and can be hardly used for any thing.
>
> [1] http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr9/
> [2] http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr24/

i cannot fix things unless i know what is broken -) also, i need to 
cater for mixed bidi input and txt/pardir usage which is non trivial

anyway, luatex > 0.60 will have an improved tagging of nodes so that 
might help

Hans


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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Khaled Hosny]

On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 06:56:05PM +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 9-2-2010 18:50, Khaled Hosny wrote:
> >On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 12:25:58PM +0100, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing,
> >>what feature or package do you miss which is already available in
> >>another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?
> >
> >An implementation of Unicode Bidirectional Algorithm[1] and automatic,
> >script based font switching, Unicode Script Property[2]. Editing mixed
> >RTL and LTR text is mess already, adding to the mix LTR TeX commands for
> >every directionally switch makes it a nightmare. I ended up doing my
> >first pass without any directional commands at all then using some
> >regular expressions to post process the text, but this is no fun and
> >needs manual review not to mention that post editing that text still a
> >nightmare.
> >
> >I've attempted to write the BiDi implementation several times myself, by
> >never managed to actually allocate enough time for it. ConTeXt already
> >has a BiDi implantation (typo-mir.{lua,mkiv}), but I gave up using it
> >because it is buggy and can be hardly used for any thing.
> >
> >[1] http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr9/
> >[2] http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr24/
> 
> i cannot fix things unless i know what is broken -) also, i need to
> cater for mixed bidi input and txt/pardir usage which is non trivial

IIRC, I reported all of that months ago but I usually get no answer.

> anyway, luatex > 0.60 will have an improved tagging of nodes so that
> might help

Right, having a direction property for each node (assuming this what the
tagging feature you mean) would help even in OpenType layout, like
supporting 'rtla' and 'rtlm' (RTL alternates and mirrors) which need to
be enabled conditionally based on glyph direction.

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

Salaam, Khaled,

On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:44:55 -0700, Khaled Hosny <khaledhosny@eglug.org>  
wrote:

> IIRC, I reported all of that months ago but I usually get no answer.

Are you sure about that? A quick check shows answers...eg

http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080816.075921.0f92a2d3.en.html

In any case: Can you provide minimal samples of problems with the current  
mechanism? I have a bidi test-suite that I will revisit but some sample  
files from you will help too.

One sample-per-problem would be a help.

:-) :-)

سلام
Idris

PS Some of these problems have been on the backburner but there is already  
a TON of other things on the plate so ... I use formatting characters +  
mirroring in the meantime ...

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Khaled Hosny]

On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 12:12:00PM -0700, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس  سماوي حامد wrote:
> 
> 
> Salaam, Khaled,
> 
> On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:44:55 -0700, Khaled Hosny
> <khaledhosny@eglug.org> wrote:
> 
> >IIRC, I reported all of that months ago but I usually get no answer.
> 
> Are you sure about that? A quick check shows answers...eg
> 
> http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080816.075921.0f92a2d3.en.html
> 
> In any case: Can you provide minimal samples of problems with the
> current mechanism? I have a bidi test-suite that I will revisit but
> some sample files from you will help too.
> 
> One sample-per-problem would be a help.

I've to find my old test files then.

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Martin Schröder]

2010/2/8 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>:
> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what
> feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX
> system or unavailable in any TeX system?

- Stable underlining across line- and pagebreaks with the finest
  typographic quality. This might be possible with luaTeX & mplib.

- Document-global optimization of page breaks. Of course with floats,
  multicol and parshapes. :-)

Best
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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 9-2-2010 19:07, Martin Schröder wrote:
> 2010/2/8 Wolfgang Schuster<schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>:
>> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what
>> feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX
>> system or unavailable in any TeX system?
>
> - Stable underlining across line- and pagebreaks with the finest
>    typographic quality. This might be possible with luaTeX&  mplib.

already in mkiv ...

\starttext

\underbar {
     \dorecurse {10} {
         \input tufte
         \starttabulate
         \NC \underbar {test} \NC \input tufte \shiftup{\input tufte } 
\input tufte \NC \NR
         \stoptabulate
     }
}

\stoptext

plus some more on the agenda

however, underlining is not really part of fine typography

> - Document-global optimization of page breaks. Of course with floats,
>    multicol and parshapes. :-)

yeah, maybe some day ... not that trivial but you know that -)

Hans

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Martin Schröder]

2010/2/9 Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:
> however, underlining is not really part of fine typography

I know. But it's hard to do right in TeX (see the troubles soul.sty
brings) and people are used to it.

>> - Document-global optimization of page breaks. Of course with floats,
>>   multicol and parshapes. :-)
>
> yeah, maybe some day ... not that trivial but you know that -)

I know. LuaTeX 2.0? :-)

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Kevin D. Robbins]

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I dream of a flexible changebar module (similar to the LaTeX changebar
package) with Lua drivers so I can run something like:

context --mark-changes foo1 foo2

to produce a (possibly mangled) output TeX file that when built produces a
PDF with changebars in the margin, additions/deletions/modifications in
colored text, etc. I would want the Lua drivers to work with the
project/product/component structure, so that I could quickly markup the
changes in all the products in a project, just one product, or even just one
component.

Kevin

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Wolfgang Schuster <
schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what
> feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX
> system or unavailable in any TeX system?
>
> Wolfgang
>
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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 9-2-2010 19:21, Kevin D. Robbins wrote:
> I dream of a flexible changebar module (similar to the LaTeX changebar
> package) with Lua drivers so I can run something like:
>
> context --mark-changes foo1 foo2
>
> to produce a (possibly mangled) output TeX file that when built produces a
> PDF with changebars in the margin, additions/deletions/modifications in
> colored text, etc. I would want the Lua drivers to work with the
> project/product/component structure, so that I could quickly markup the
> changes in all the products in a project, just one product, or even just one
> component.

it's not that hard to build something like that

Hans

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[John Devereux]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

> On 9-2-2010 19:21, Kevin D. Robbins wrote:
>> I dream of a flexible changebar module (similar to the LaTeX changebar
>> package) with Lua drivers so I can run something like:
>>
>> context --mark-changes foo1 foo2
>>
>> to produce a (possibly mangled) output TeX file that when built produces a
>> PDF with changebars in the margin, additions/deletions/modifications in
>> colored text, etc. I would want the Lua drivers to work with the
>> project/product/component structure, so that I could quickly markup the
>> changes in all the products in a project, just one product, or even just one
>> component.
>
> it's not that hard to build something like that

I would think that would be an extremely useful feature in technical
environment, where all document changes need to be reviewed and
precisely recorded. It certainly would be for me.

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tracking changes (was: Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?)

[Peter Münster]

On Sat, Feb 13 2010, John Devereux wrote:

> I would think that would be an extremely useful feature in technical
> environment, where all document changes need to be reviewed

Hello John,

Perhaps this can help: 
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20060806.143457.47021821.en.html


> and precisely recorded.

Then I suggest a version control system.

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Re: tracking changes (was: Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?)

[Kevin D. Robbins]

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Hi Peter,

Thanks for the reference to your thread from 2006. In my post the other day,
I was just wishing for a changebar capability to be fully integrated to
ConTeXt now that we have LuaTeX. Leveraging Lua, we could have a
cross-platform way to visually markup the changes between two versions.

I don't mean to speak for John, but your suggestion to use version control
to 'precisely record' the changes between two versions of the same document
addresses the need only of the author(s) or others with understanding and
access to the version control system.

For me, changebars provide a useful way to definitively show users the
changes between two releases of large document without resorting to the
common practice (one I dislike) of including a table of significant changes
at the start of the document.

Cheers,

Kevin

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Peter Münster <pmlists@free.fr> wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 13 2010, John Devereux wrote:
>
> > I would think that would be an extremely useful feature in technical
> > environment, where all document changes need to be reviewed
>
> Hello John,
>
> Perhaps this can help:
> http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20060806.143457.47021821.en.html
>
>
> > and precisely recorded.
>
> Then I suggest a version control system.
>
> Cheers, Peter
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Re: tracking changes (was: Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?)

[John Devereux]

Peter Münster <pmlists@free.fr> writes:

> On Sat, Feb 13 2010, John Devereux wrote:
>
>> I would think that would be an extremely useful feature in technical
>> environment, where all document changes need to be reviewed
>
> Hello John,
>
> Perhaps this can help: 
> http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20060806.143457.47021821.en.html
>
>
>> and precisely recorded.
>
> Then I suggest a version control system.


Hello Peter,

Thanks, I do already use a version control system (gi). The built-in
diff system is ideal for my own use, but my "audience" would not be
resist this approach.

The text-worddiff utility looks interesting. Does it work well in
practice?  Did you develop the "little script" you posted any further,
or is it sufficient?

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[Peter Münster]

On Sat, Feb 13 2010, John Devereux wrote:

> The text-worddiff utility looks interesting. Does it work well in
> practice?

Hello John,

I don't know, I've never used it in real life ... ;)

It was just a "prove of concept": I'm working in an environment where
everybody uses M$-Office, I'm the only exception. And I want to be prepared
for the moment, when one of my co-workers wants to see such visualisation
of changes. That's the only reason, why I need it. But up to now, nobody
has ever asked me for such visualisation :)


> Did you develop the "little script" you posted any further,
> or is it sufficient?

I've put the latest version on the web:
http://pmrb.free.fr/work/OS/ConTeXt/typeset-diff.sh

In fact, there are only 3 commands:
- wdiff
- editor to tune the tex-file (grouping issues and such)
- context

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Monday 08 February 2010 12:25:58 Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what
> feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX
> system or unavailable in any TeX system?
> 
> Wolfgang

What I would really like is an automatic composer,
one that would write my papers, books and documentation for me.

minimal example:
 \startext
 \composebook [title="My best selling novel"]
 \stoptext
(notice that the title is optional)

However, it would have to produce output that is up
to my standards - not at all an easy task!

Alan

(Sorry for hijacking this interesting thread.)
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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 09.02.10 19:45, schrieb Alan BRASLAU:
> What I would really like is an automatic composer,
> one that would write my papers, books and documentation for me.
>
> minimal example:
>   \startext
>   \composebook [title="My best selling novel"]
>   \stoptext
> (notice that the title is optional)
>
> However, it would have to produce output that is up
> to my standards - not at all an easy task!
>    
m-visual.tex ;)

%D For Mojca:
%D
%D \starttyping
%D \def\simplethesis
%D   {\setupsystem[random=1234]
%D    \title{\fakewords{3}{4}}
%D    \placelist[chapter,section]
%D    \dorecurse{6}
%D      {\chapter{\fakewords{5}{10}}
%D       \dorecurse{5}
%D         {\section{\fakewords{2}{5}}
%D          \dorecurse{2}
%D            {\dorecurse{3}{\fakewords{100}{200}\endgraf}
%D             
\placefigure{\fakewords{8}{15}}{\fakefigure{5cm}{3cm}{10cm}{5cm}}
%D             \dorecurse{2}{\fakewords{100}{200}\endgraf}}}}}
%D
%D \starttext
%D   \simplethesis
%D \stoptext
%D \stoptyping

Wolfgang

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 9-2-2010 19:50, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

> %D For Mojca:
> %D
> %D \starttyping
> %D \def\simplethesis
> %D {\setupsystem[random=1234]
> %D \title{\fakewords{3}{4}}
> %D \placelist[chapter,section]
> %D \dorecurse{6}
> %D {\chapter{\fakewords{5}{10}}
> %D \dorecurse{5}
> %D {\section{\fakewords{2}{5}}
> %D \dorecurse{2}
> %D {\dorecurse{3}{\fakewords{100}{200}\endgraf}
> %D \placefigure{\fakewords{8}{15}}{\fakefigure{5cm}{3cm}{10cm}{5cm}}
> %D \dorecurse{2}{\fakewords{100}{200}\endgraf}}}}}
> %D
> %D \starttext
> %D \simplethesis
> %D \stoptext
> %D \stoptyping
>
> Wolfgang

as we've never seen her thesis it could well be that she maneged to pass 
the examns with this

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[luigi scarso]

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> On 9-2-2010 19:50, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
>> %D For Mojca:
>> %D
>> %D \starttyping
>> %D \def\simplethesis
>> %D {\setupsystem[random=1234]
>> %D \title{\fakewords{3}{4}}
>> %D \placelist[chapter,section]
>> %D \dorecurse{6}
>> %D {\chapter{\fakewords{5}{10}}
>> %D \dorecurse{5}
>> %D {\section{\fakewords{2}{5}}
>> %D \dorecurse{2}
>> %D {\dorecurse{3}{\fakewords{100}{200}\endgraf}
>> %D \placefigure{\fakewords{8}{15}}{\fakefigure{5cm}{3cm}{10cm}{5cm}}
>> %D \dorecurse{2}{\fakewords{100}{200}\endgraf}}}}}
>> %D
>> %D \starttext
>> %D \simplethesis
>> %D \stoptext
>> %D \stoptyping
>>
>> Wolfgang
>
> as we've never seen her thesis
False.
I have seen her thesis .


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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[luigi scarso]

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Wolfgang Schuster
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> Am 09.02.10 19:45, schrieb Alan BRASLAU:
>>
>> What I would really like is an automatic composer,
>> one that would write my papers, books and documentation for me.
>>
>> minimal example:
>>  \startext
>>  \composebook [title="My best selling novel"]
>>  \stoptext
>> (notice that the title is optional)
>>
>> However, it would have to produce output that is up
>> to my standards - not at all an easy task!
>>
>
> m-visual.tex ;)

http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/


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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 9-2-2010 19:45, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
> On Monday 08 February 2010 12:25:58 Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what
>> feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX
>> system or unavailable in any TeX system?
>>
>> Wolfgang
>
> What I would really like is an automatic composer,
> one that would write my papers, books and documentation for me.
>
> minimal example:
>   \startext
>   \composebook [title="My best selling novel"]
>   \stoptext
> (notice that the title is optional)

and then

\composemanual [title="The real context manual",writingstyle=knuth]


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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Mikael Persson]

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Wolfgang Schuster
<schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what
> feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX
> system or unavailable in any TeX system?
>
> Wolfgang
>

Thanks for asking, Wolfgang.

I would like support for more fonts out of the box (in the minimals).
For example it would be really nice to be able to use
utopia+fourier ( http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/fourier-GUT/ )
charter+mathdesign (
http://tug.ctan.org/cgi-bin/ctanPackageInformation.py?id=mathdesign )

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 10.02.10 09:00, schrieb Mikael Persson:

> I would like support for more fonts out of the box (in the minimals).
> For example it would be really nice to be able to use
> utopia+fourier ( http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/fourier-GUT/ )
> charter+mathdesign (
> http://tug.ctan.org/cgi-bin/ctanPackageInformation.py?id=mathdesign )

MkIV has support for the Charter and the Mathdesign fonts.

\definetypafec[charter][rm][serif][charter]     [default]
%\definetypafec[charter][mm][math] [mathdesignch][default]
\definetypafec[charter][mm][math] [charter]     [default]

What's missing are the fonts but they are already on the server [1],
Mojca should be able to tell you how you can install them.

[1] http://minimals.contextgarden.net/current/fonts/extra/

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 08.02.2010 um 12:25 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

> Hi all,
> 
> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?



I miss a command to force a manual line break at any point in a \hyphenatedurl string.

Like, e.g. "*" in "\hyphenatedurl{http://www.a_ridiculous_very_long_alpanum*eric_sequence}


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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Taco Hoekwater]

Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> Am 08.02.2010 um 12:25 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
> 
>> Hi all,
>>
>> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?
> 
> 
> 
> I miss a command to force a manual line break at any point in a \hyphenatedurl string.
> 
> Like, e.g. "*" in "\hyphenatedurl{http://www.a_ridiculous_very_long_alpanum*eric_sequence}

+1 for this idea.


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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

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On 11-2-2010 9:43, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>
> Am 08.02.2010 um 12:25 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?
>
>
>
> I miss a command to force a manual line break at any point in a \hyphenatedurl string.
>
> Like, e.g. "*" in "\hyphenatedurl{http://www.a_ridiculous_very_long_alpanum*eric_sequence}


is * never part of a url then?

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

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> is * never part of a url then?
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According to RFC 1738 from IETF, * is used only as a wildcard, e.g. to
denote all newsgroups from specific category. It is never used for
specifiying a single URL.

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Peter Münster]

On Thu, Feb 11 2010, Vedran Miletić wrote:

> According to RFC 1738 from IETF, * is used only as a wildcard, e.g. to
> denote all newsgroups from specific category. It is never used for
> specifiying a single URL.

So, "http://pmrb.free.fr/tmp/file*with*stars" is not allowed???
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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Taco Hoekwater]

Peter Münster wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 11 2010, Vedran Miletić wrote:
> 
>> According to RFC 1738 from IETF, * is used only as a wildcard, e.g. to
>> denote all newsgroups from specific category. It is never used for
>> specifiying a single URL.
> 
> So, "http://pmrb.free.fr/tmp/file*with*stars" is not allowed???

No, the RFC only says that "news:*" has a defined meaning. You can
have "*" in lots of locations in an URL, just not in scheme or domain
names.

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Taco Hoekwater]

Vedran Miletić wrote:
>> is * never part of a url then?
> 
> According to RFC 1738 from IETF, * is used only as a wildcard, e.g. to
> denote all newsgroups from specific category. It is never used for
> specifiying a single URL.

Still, * can appear unencoded in any url, in either pathinfo or in
GET arguments, so * is not always the best thing to use. It is better
have it configurable (but default to *)

Best wishes,
Taco

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 11.02.2010 um 11:08 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:

> Vedran Miletić wrote:
>>> is * never part of a url then?
>> According to RFC 1738 from IETF, * is used only as a wildcard, e.g. to
>> denote all newsgroups from specific category. It is never used for
>> specifiying a single URL.
> 
> Still, * can appear unencoded in any url, in either pathinfo or in
> GET arguments, so * is not always the best thing to use. It is better
> have it configurable (but default to *)


Yes. To "have it configurable" sounds great ;o)

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 11.02.2010 um 10:37 schrieb Hans Hagen:

> On 11-2-2010 9:43, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> 
>> Am 08.02.2010 um 12:25 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I miss a command to force a manual line break at any point in a \hyphenatedurl string.
>> 
>> Like, e.g. "*" in "\hyphenatedurl{http://www.a_ridiculous_very_long_alpanum*eric_sequence}
> 
> 
> is * never part of a url then?


This was just an example. Maybe "|" is a better glyph.

Is this the only problem to find a character that is not used as part of a valid URL?


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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Sebastien Mengin]

Le 11 févr. 2010 à 11:12, Steffen Wolfrum a écrit:
> >> I miss a command to force a manual line break at any point in a \hyphenatedurl string.
> >> 
> >> Like, e.g. "*" in "\hyphenatedurl{http://www.a_ridiculous_very_long_alpanum*eric_sequence}

+1 also.

> > is * never part of a url then?
> 
> This was just an example. Maybe "|" is a better glyph.

What about ¶ ?

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 11-2-2010 9:43, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>
> Am 08.02.2010 um 12:25 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?
>
>
>
> I miss a command to force a manual line break at any point in a \hyphenatedurl string.
>
> Like, e.g. "*" in "\hyphenatedurl{http://www.a_ridiculous_very_long_alpanum*eric_sequence}

i've added

\def\hyphenatedurldiscretionary{*}

\hsize1cm \hyphenatedurl{xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx*xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx}

but it defaults to

\def\hyphenatedurldiscretionary{}


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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Peter Münster]

On Mon, Feb 08 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what 
> feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX 
> system or unavailable in any TeX system?

Hello Wolfgang,

It would be nice, to specify a background-color for some text, but without
that the background of one line touches the background of the line below.

Illustration of what I'm looking for:

\setupinterlinespace[line=1cm] % just to make the example more obvious
\definetextbackground[myBG][background=color, backgroundcolor=green,
  % backgroundheight=1ex, % does not work
  % height=1ex,           % does not work
frame=off]
\starttext
bla bla \startmyBG \dorecurse{30}{bla }\stopmyBG bla bla
\stoptext

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 11-2-2010 10:55, Peter Münster wrote:
> \setupinterlinespace[line=1cm] % just to make the example more obvious
> \definetextbackground[myBG][background=color, backgroundcolor=green,
>    % backgroundheight=1ex, % does not work
>    % height=1ex,           % does not work
> frame=off]
> \starttext
> bla bla \startmyBG \dorecurse{30}{bla }\stopmyBG bla bla
> \stoptext

\starttext

\startbuffer
\definebar
   [backbar]
   [offset=1.5,rulethickness=2.4,color=blue,
    continue=yes,order=background]

\definebar
   [forebar]
   [offset=1.5,rulethickness=2.4,color=blue,
    continue=yes,order=foreground]
\stopbuffer

\typebuffer \getbuffer

The following example code looks messy but this has to do with
the fact that we want properly spaced sample injection.

\startbuffer
from here
     \startcolor[white]%
         \startbar[backbar]%
             \input zapf
             \removeunwantedspaces
         \stopbar
     \stopcolor
\space till here
\blank
from here
     \startbar[forebar]%
         \input zapf
         \removeunwantedspaces
     \stopbar
\space till here
\stopbuffer

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Peter Münster]

On Thu, Feb 11 2010, Hans Hagen wrote:

> \definebar
>   [backbar]
>   [offset=1.5,rulethickness=2.4,color=blue,
>    continue=yes,order=background]

Great, many thanks for this "hidden" feature!

What is the logic behind offset and rulethickness (the units and the
reference point)?
(I played a bit with offset=0 and different rulethicknesses...)

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 11-2-2010 14:48, Peter Münster wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 11 2010, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> \definebar
>>    [backbar]
>>    [offset=1.5,rulethickness=2.4,color=blue,
>>     continue=yes,order=background]
>
> Great, many thanks for this "hidden" feature!
>
> What is the logic behind offset and rulethickness (the units and the
> reference point)?
> (I played a bit with offset=0 and different rulethicknesses...)

will be in an upcoming maps article and i'm hesitant to put the text 
online before it's published

see end of node-rul.mkiv ... you can do underline etc by manipulating 
these values

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Peter Münster]

On Mon, Feb 08 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what 
> feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX 
> system or unavailable in any TeX system?

Hello,

What about collecting these feature requests somewhere at a central point,
for example at http://tracker.luatex.org/ and keeping their status updated.

It would also be nice, to have milestones attached to each request, so that
users know how long to wait.

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[John Devereux]

Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> writes:

> Hi all,
>
> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing,
> what feature or package do you miss which is already available in
> another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?

I asked before why ConTeXt does not flag incorrect parameters, I seem to
recall the answer was that it would slow things down too much. But a
command line switch to do this would be very useful.

And as always, better (more complete) documentation on the commands
available and what they and their parameters actually *do*.

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 13.02.10 13:24, schrieb John Devereux:
> I asked before why ConTeXt does not flag incorrect parameters, I seem to
> recall the answer was that it would slow things down too much. But a
> command line switch to do this would be very useful.
Already available for MkIV (mult-chk.mkiv):

\starttext

\testfeatureonce{10000}{\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][a=b,c= d, e = 
f]} % 0.20 seconds

\enablecheckparameters

\testfeatureonce{10000}{\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][a=b,c= d, e = 
f]} % 0.35 seconds

\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][a=a]
\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][b= b]
\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][c = c]
\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][d = d d , e = e ,f = f ]
\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][g={oeps {oeps}}]
\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][crap=whatever]

\startlines
[a:\getvalue{xxa}][a]
[b:\getvalue{xxb}][b]
[c:\getvalue{xxc}][c]
[d:\getvalue{xxd}][d d ]
[e:\getvalue{xxe}][e ]
[f:\getvalue{xxf}][f ]
[g:\getvalue{xxg}][\detokenize\expandafter{\xxg}]
\stoplines

\setvalidparameterkeys[test][crap]

\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][crap=whatever]

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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checking keys (was: Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?)

[Peter Münster]

On Sat, Feb 13 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

> \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][a=a]
> \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][b= b]
> \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][c = c]
> \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][d = d d , e = e ,f = f ]
> \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][g={oeps {oeps}}]
> \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][crap=whatever]

Hello Wolfgang,

I get:
syntax          : invalid key 'crap' for 'test' in line 16

But no messages for the other keys.

Consider also this:

\enablecheckparameters
\starttext
\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][g=g]
\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][h=h]
\stoptext

$ context test | grep invalid
syntax          : invalid key 'h' for 'test' in line 4

So, the keys a-g are always valid!? ;)

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Re: checking keys

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 13.02.10 14:21, schrieb Peter Münster:
> So, the keys a-g are always valid!? ;)
Hans made them valid for the test namespace, replace the test with
a different name and they should be invalid too.

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Re: checking keys

[Peter Münster]

On Sat, Feb 13 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

> Hans made them valid for the test namespace, replace the test with
> a different name and they should be invalid too.

Result:

\enablecheckparameters
\starttext
\getcheckedparameters[bla][xx][h=h]
\getcheckedparameters[bla][xx][g=g]
\stoptext

->

! LuaTeX error ...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mult-chk.lua:61: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)
stack traceback:
    ...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mult-chk.lua:61: in function '_gcp_'
    <main ctx instance>:1: in main chunk.
\dogetcheckedparametersyes ...okenize {#3}\!!es )}
                                                  
l.3 \getcheckedparameters[bla][xx][h=h]

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Re: checking keys

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 13.02.10 14:45, schrieb Peter Münster:

\setvalidparameterkeys[bla][]
> \enablecheckparameters
> \starttext
> \getcheckedparameters[bla][xx][h=h]
> \getcheckedparameters[bla][xx][g=g]
> \stoptext
>    
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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[John Devereux]

Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> writes:

> Am 13.02.10 13:24, schrieb John Devereux:
>> I asked before why ConTeXt does not flag incorrect parameters, I seem to
>> recall the answer was that it would slow things down too much. But a
>> command line switch to do this would be very useful.
> Already available for MkIV (mult-chk.mkiv):
>
> \starttext
>
> \testfeatureonce{10000}{\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][a=b,c= d, e =
> f]} % 0.20 seconds
>
> \enablecheckparameters
>
> \testfeatureonce{10000}{\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][a=b,c= d, e =
> f]} % 0.35 seconds
>
> \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][a=a]
> \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][b= b]
> \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][c = c]
> \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][d = d d , e = e ,f = f ]
> \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][g={oeps {oeps}}]
> \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][crap=whatever]
>
> \startlines
> [a:\getvalue{xxa}][a]
> [b:\getvalue{xxb}][b]
> [c:\getvalue{xxc}][c]
> [d:\getvalue{xxd}][d d ]
> [e:\getvalue{xxe}][e ]
> [f:\getvalue{xxf}][f ]
> [g:\getvalue{xxg}][\detokenize\expandafter{\xxg}]
> \stoplines
>
> \setvalidparameterkeys[test][crap]
>
> \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][crap=whatever]
>
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang


Hi Wolfgang.

That is a bit beyond me... I am guessing this means that there is now a
facility whereby certain commands could be instrumented? In the future?

What I was asking for was a general "switch" that could turn on
parameter error checking for all commands. (Perhaps the work involved is
too much).



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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Eric DÉTREZ]

Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> a écrit :

> Hi all,
>
> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing,
> what feature or package do you miss which is already available in
> another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?

Indeed I miss a huge documentation.
A very good one is the documentation for Tikz : starts with case- 
studies then encyclopaedic définitions.

Maybe a less supra-human task :
a site with example as texample (always for tikz) : http://www.texample.net/ 
.
We learn a lot seeing the way others do.


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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Kevin D. Robbins]

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Hi everyone,

I remembered another capability that I'd love to see integrated with ConTeXt
somehow – automated graph layout. It would be great if there were a ConTeXt
module that supported GraphXML or another XML graph format, so that users
could draw graphs using GUI tools and then let the module typeset the graphs
in MetaPost. I imagine the setups for the module would allow users to pass
layout hints and styles to the layout engine.

Kevin

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> Hi all,
>
> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what
> feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX
> system or unavailable in any TeX system?
>
> Wolfgang
>
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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Vedran Miletić]

2010/2/8 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>:
> Hi all,
>
> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what
> feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX
> system or unavailable in any TeX system?
>
> Wolfgang

One very small thing that works fine in MKIV but not in MKII: when I
put PDF title that has characters with caron, in MKII they turn into
ASCII counterparts when compiling. E.g. "Računalne mreže" becomes
"Racunalne mreze". pdfLaTeX has no problems with that (with proper
packages, at least).

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Vedran Miletić]

Datuma 8. ožujka 2010. 15:36 Mojca Miklavec
<mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> je napisao/la:
>> does
>>
>> \PDFunicodetrue
>>
>> help
>
> No. (I remember there were some threads about that in past though, but
> I don't remember the outcome.)
>
> Mojca

It doesn't change anything.

By the way, XeTeX also breaks, but in a different way. "Računalne
mreže" becomes "RaÄ“unalne mreže". Same option also doesn't do
anything.

MkIV works nicely, and I know I should probably be using that, but
LaTeX with hyperref can do unicode bookmarks in both XeTeX and pdfTeX,
so it would be really cool if ConTeXt would be able to do it as well.

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 14-3-2010 22:06, Vedran Miletić wrote:
> Datuma 8. ožujka 2010. 15:36 Mojca Miklavec
> <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com>  je napisao/la:
>>> does
>>>
>>> \PDFunicodetrue
>>>
>>> help
>>
>> No. (I remember there were some threads about that in past though, but
>> I don't remember the outcome.)
>>
>> Mojca
>
> It doesn't change anything.
>
> By the way, XeTeX also breaks, but in a different way. "Računalne
> mreže" becomes "RaÄ“unalne mreže". Same option also doesn't do
> anything.
>
> MkIV works nicely, and I know I should probably be using that, but
> LaTeX with hyperref can do unicode bookmarks in both XeTeX and pdfTeX,
> so it would be really cool if ConTeXt would be able to do it as well.

Hm, i wonder what goes wrong, so can you make a test file? I was under 
the impression that context could do it before latex if only because it 
was used to test the <> entries when that feature was added to pdftex so 
maybe soemthing got lost (it might also be that some ecodings work 
better than others, so let's assume utf)

Hans


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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Mojca Miklavec]

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>> By the way, XeTeX also breaks, but in a different way. "Računalne
>> mreže" becomes "RaÄ“unalne mreže". Same option also doesn't do
>> anything.
>>
>> MkIV works nicely, and I know I should probably be using that, but
>> LaTeX with hyperref can do unicode bookmarks in both XeTeX and pdfTeX,
>> so it would be really cool if ConTeXt would be able to do it as well.
>
> Hm, i wonder what goes wrong, so can you make a test file? I was under the
> impression that context could do it before latex if only because it was used
> to test the <> entries when that feature was added to pdftex so maybe
> soemthing got lost (it might also be that some ecodings work better than
> others, so let's assume utf)

I figured out that loading "\input spec-tst.mkii" before
\setupinteraction[state=start] works as expected in MKII (but then -
the backward compatibility is broken as well since one would have to
load the "tex" version of that file in past). Loading it after doesn't
have any influence.

It would be really nice if there was some more elegant way to use
UTF-8 in bookmarks than \input spec-tst.mkii.

For me the bookmarks in XeTeX seem to work fine.

Mojca

%%% only for pdftex
\enableregime
	[utf-8]
\input spec-tst.mkii
%%%
\setupinteraction
	[state=start]
\placebookmarks
	[chapter,section,subsection]
	[chapter,section]
\setupinteractionscreen
	[option=bookmark]

\starttext

\section{Čisto prva}
\page
\section{še druga}
\page
\section{In žadnja}
\section{Računalne mreže}

\stoptext

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 15-3-2010 14:53, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>>> By the way, XeTeX also breaks, but in a different way. "Računalne
>>> mreže" becomes "RaÄ“unalne mreže". Same option also doesn't do
>>> anything.
>>>
>>> MkIV works nicely, and I know I should probably be using that, but
>>> LaTeX with hyperref can do unicode bookmarks in both XeTeX and pdfTeX,
>>> so it would be really cool if ConTeXt would be able to do it as well.
>>
>> Hm, i wonder what goes wrong, so can you make a test file? I was under the
>> impression that context could do it before latex if only because it was used
>> to test the<>  entries when that feature was added to pdftex so maybe
>> soemthing got lost (it might also be that some ecodings work better than
>> others, so let's assume utf)
>
> I figured out that loading "\input spec-tst.mkii" before
> \setupinteraction[state=start] works as expected in MKII (but then -
> the backward compatibility is broken as well since one would have to
> load the "tex" version of that file in past). Loading it after doesn't
> have any influence.
>
> It would be really nice if there was some more elegant way to use
> UTF-8 in bookmarks than \input spec-tst.mkii.

i'll merge the tst code into the other spec files

Hans

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Vedran Miletić]

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2010/3/15 Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:
>> I figured out that loading "\input spec-tst.mkii" before
>> \setupinteraction[state=start] works as expected in MKII (but then -
>> the backward compatibility is broken as well since one would have to
>> load the "tex" version of that file in past). Loading it after doesn't
>> have any influence.
>>
>> It would be really nice if there was some more elegant way to use
>> UTF-8 in bookmarks than \input spec-tst.mkii.
>
> i'll merge the tst code into the other spec files
>
> Hans
>

Works now! Thanks!

P.S.
In case you want a testcase that breaks with --xtx for me, it's attached.

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Re: What do you miss in ConTeXt?

[Joshua Lee]

Hi Guys,
The verbatim or listings of MKIV sucks. Here's a little sample:

\definetyping[code][numbering=line]
\starttext

\startcode
...
...
\stopcode

\startcode[continue]
...
...
\stopcode

\startcode[start=10]
...
...
\stopcode

\typefile[numbering=file]{test.tex}

\stoptext

It can not work with MKIV that shows.
1  ...
2  ...
10 ...
11 ...
1  ...
2  ...
   \definetyping[code][numbering=line]
   \starttext
   \startcode
   ...
   ...
   \stopcode
   \startcode[continue]
   ...
   ...
   \stopcode
   \startcode[start=10]
   ...
   ...
   \stopcode
   \typefile[numbering=file]{test.tex}
   \stoptext

Best regards,
Joshua

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing,
> what feature or package do you miss which is already available in
> another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?
> 
> Wolfgang
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