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From: Marcin Borkowski <mbork@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl>
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Subject: Re: The ConTeXt book
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 21:35:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100403193519.GH21212@atos.labs.wmid.amu.edu.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <x2r54d7f5601004030651pda0f88a3ne6fc5a84208fe57d@mail.gmail.com>

Dnia Sat, Apr 03, 2010 at 08:51:03AM -0500, Michael Saunders napisa&#322;(a):
> Because I think it might be possible to produce better output with
> Context than with LaTeX (is this true?).  My experience has been quite
> different from yours.  I got up an running with LaTeX in a week (in
> 1995), found the documentation clear and almost any effect I wanted
> easy to achieve with well-documented packages that never seriously
> conflicted.  This, on the other hand, is a nightmare.

Yep. But when you actually run into one of these problems in LaTeX, you
are often more or less left alone - unlike ConTeXt and this list.

A few examples: tikz (for some obscure reason) breaks some functionality
of empheq; align in intertext in align (yes, I needed something like
this!) in AMS-LaTeX doesn't work; hacking the (otherwise excellent)
amsrefs package (or any AMS-LaTeX package, for that matter) is a real
pain, but sometimes you just need it (for example, amsthm may be a
standard, but it just sucks in quite a few respects!).

============

My general thought on this discussion: someone said "why don't people
switch from LaTeX to ConTeXt if ConTeXt is better?".  The answer is
obvious to me.  First: 99% maths journals accept LaTeX, \epsilon of them
(if any) accept ConTeXt.  Second: people still use their LaTeX 2.09
preambles from the nineties, and spending even 30 minutes on learning a
new package (or just not using $$ ... $$ but \[ ... \] or anything)
seems impossible for them.  Third: sadly, nearly anyone just does not
care whether the results are beautiful or ugly; people (I'm talking
about mathematicians now) use (La|AMS|Con)TeX(t) not because it is
better than (word|OO), but because that is what journals want.

Personally, I use both LaTeX and ConTeXt: LaTeX when I need something
done quickly or when I want to share some code with others (who usually
use LaTeX), and ConTeXt when I have some time and want to learn
something new (or when I have a ready template which *just works(TM)*.)

Cheers

-- 
Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl)
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-04-03 19:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-03 13:51 Michael Saunders
2010-04-03 14:29 ` Peter Münster
2010-04-03 14:37 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-04-03 19:35 ` Marcin Borkowski [this message]
2010-04-03 23:32   ` Excursion PDf w/o controls on the page Russell Urquhart
2010-04-03 23:43     ` Aditya Mahajan
2010-04-04  0:04       ` Russell Urquhart
2010-04-04  0:24         ` Aditya Mahajan
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-04-03 23:20 The ConTeXt book Michael Saunders
2010-04-04  0:39 ` Aditya Mahajan
2010-04-04  7:33   ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-04-03 12:14 Michael Saunders
2010-04-03 12:16 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-04-03  9:23 Michael Saunders
2010-04-03  9:41 ` Patrick Gundlach
2010-04-03 12:38   ` Peter Münster
2010-04-03 10:54 ` Andreas Schneider
2010-04-03 12:13   ` Gour
2010-04-03 12:45     ` Alain Delmotte
2010-04-03 12:56       ` Gour
2010-04-03 14:03         ` Alain Delmotte
2010-04-03 19:27           ` Gour
2010-04-03 19:48             ` Alain Delmotte
2010-04-03 16:00         ` Hans Hagen
2010-04-03 12:24   ` Hans Hagen
2010-04-03 11:20 ` Taco Hoekwater
2010-04-03 11:45   ` Taco Hoekwater
2010-04-03 12:09     ` Vedran Miletić
2010-04-03 12:55     ` Graham Douglas
2010-04-03 12:35 ` Peter Münster
2010-04-03 12:41 ` Hans Hagen
2010-04-03 12:55   ` Andrea Valle
2010-04-01 17:08 Arthur Reutenauer
2010-04-01 17:25 ` Martin Schröder
2010-04-01 17:29   ` Michail Vidiassov
2010-04-01 17:35   ` luigi scarso
2010-04-02  9:49   ` Arthur Reutenauer
2010-04-02  9:57     ` luigi scarso
2010-04-02 10:08       ` Hans Hagen
2010-04-02 11:18         ` John Haltiwanger
2010-04-02 11:40           ` Hans Hagen
2010-04-02 12:20             ` John Haltiwanger
2010-04-02 12:25               ` Taco Hoekwater
2010-04-02 12:39                 ` Patrick Gundlach
2010-04-02 22:32                   ` Russell Urquhart
2010-04-03  5:37                     ` Gour
2010-04-03  6:47                       ` Alan BRASLAU
2010-04-03  7:47                         ` Mojca Miklavec
2010-04-03 11:32                           ` Gour
2010-04-03  6:54                       ` Taco Hoekwater
2010-04-03 11:42                         ` Gour
2010-04-03  8:51                       ` Hans Hagen
2010-04-03 11:48                         ` Gour
2010-04-03 12:30                           ` Hans Hagen
2010-04-03  8:59                       ` Martin Schröder
2010-04-03  9:15                         ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-04-03  9:20                           ` luigi scarso
2010-04-03 12:03                             ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-04-03 13:01                               ` luigi scarso
2010-04-03 13:09                                 ` Taco Hoekwater
2010-04-03 13:31                                   ` luigi scarso
2010-04-03 13:36                                 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-04-03 13:42                                   ` luigi scarso
2010-04-03 13:49                                     ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-04-03 13:53                                       ` luigi scarso
2010-04-03 13:56                                         ` luigi scarso
2010-04-03 14:14                                           ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-04-03 14:02                                         ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-04-03 14:16                                           ` luigi scarso
2010-04-03 14:42                                             ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-04-03 16:11                                       ` Hans Hagen
2010-04-03 16:09                                     ` Hans Hagen
2010-04-03  9:47                           ` Vedran Miletić
2010-04-03 12:07                             ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-04-02 14:12               ` Hans Hagen
2010-04-02 14:16                 ` Matthias Weber
2010-04-01 17:32 ` luigi scarso
2010-04-01 17:40 ` Sebastien Mengin
2010-04-01 17:43   ` Hans Hagen
2010-04-01 19:38     ` Alan BRASLAU
2010-04-01 19:58       ` Hans Hagen
2010-04-01 18:45 ` Graham Douglas

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