weird en/em dash behaviour

weird en/em dash behaviour

[Marco]

Hi,

I've found some in my opinion weird behaviour concerning en/em dashes.
Have a look at the following two MWEs.

%%%%%%%%%%
\starttext
-       % shows up
--      % missing
---     % missing
\endash % missing
\emdash % missing
\stoptext
%%%%%%%%%%

%%%%%%%%%%
\setupbodyfont
  [11.9pt]
\starttext
-       % shows up
--      % shows up
---     % shows up
\endash % shows up
\emdash % shows up
\stoptext
%%%%%%%%%%

Is this expected behaviour?

marco


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Re: weird en/em dash behaviour

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Sun, 4 Apr 2010, Marco wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've found some in my opinion weird behaviour concerning en/em dashes.
> Have a look at the following two MWEs.
>
> %%%%%%%%%%
> \starttext
> -       % shows up
> --      % missing
> ---     % missing
> \endash % missing
> \emdash % missing
> \stoptext
> %%%%%%%%%%

Works here with both MkII and MkIV. But I am using an old version 
(2010.03.20). Maybe a bug was introduced later?

Aditya
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Re: weird en/em dash behaviour

[Marco]

My version:
ConTeXt  ver: 2010.03.30 18:56 MKIV
This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.52.0-2010032402 (rev 3515)

marco


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Re: weird en/em dash behaviour

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 04.04.10 21:04, schrieb Aditya Mahajan:
> Works here with both MkII and MkIV. But I am using an old version 
> (2010.03.20). Maybe a bug was introduced later?
Works here with the latest beta too.

Wolfgang

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Re: weird en/em dash behaviour

[Marco]

Am Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:10:13 +0200
schrieb Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>:

> Am 04.04.10 21:04, schrieb Aditya Mahajan:
> > Works here with both MkII and MkIV. But I am using an old version 
> > (2010.03.20). Maybe a bug was introduced later?
> Works here with the latest beta too.
> 
> Wolfgang
 
2010.03.20 is OK and latest beta is OK, but my version in between broken?
That sounds a bit strange to me. I'll update my minimals this night and
check tomorrow. I'm afraid the problem persists. More information tomorrow.

Thanks for checking.
marco


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Re: weird en/em dash behaviour

[Marco]

Am Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:19:49 +0200
schrieb Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>:

> Am 04.04.10 21:07, schrieb Marco:
> > My version:
> > ConTeXt  ver: 2010.03.30 18:56 MKIV
> > This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.52.0-2010032402 (rev 3515)
> >    
> MTXrun | current version: 2010.03.30 18:56
> This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.52.0-2010031913
> Mac OS X 10.6.3
> 
> Wolfgang
 
OK. The version are the same. I use linux but that should not cause the
problem. Maybe something wrong with the fonts? I also have TeXLive
installed.

marco


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Re: weird en/em dash behaviour

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 04.04.10 21:07, schrieb Marco:
> My version:
> ConTeXt  ver: 2010.03.30 18:56 MKIV
> This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.52.0-2010032402 (rev 3515)
>    
MTXrun | current version: 2010.03.30 18:56
This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.52.0-2010031913
Mac OS X 10.6.3

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Re: weird en/em dash behaviour

[luigi scarso]

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Marco <netuse@lavabit.com> wrote:
> Am Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:19:49 +0200
> schrieb Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>:
>
>> Am 04.04.10 21:07, schrieb Marco:
>> > My version:
>> > ConTeXt  ver: 2010.03.30 18:56 MKIV
>> > This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.52.0-2010032402 (rev 3515)
>> >
>> MTXrun | current version: 2010.03.30 18:56
>> This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.52.0-2010031913
>> Mac OS X 10.6.3
>>
>> Wolfgang
>
> OK. The version are the same. I use linux but that should not cause the
> problem. Maybe something wrong with the fonts? I also have TeXLive
> installed.
same bug here on linux x86

# context --version
MTXrun | current version: 2010.03.30 18:56

# luatex --credits
This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.60.0-2010040410 (rev 3588)


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Re: weird en/em dash behaviour

[Marco]

Am Sun, 4 Apr 2010 22:56:26 +0200
schrieb luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com>:

> > OK. The version are the same. I use linux but that should not cause
> > the problem. Maybe something wrong with the fonts? I also have
> > TeXLive installed.
> same bug here on linux x86
> 
> # context --version
> MTXrun | current version: 2010.03.30 18:56
> 
> # luatex --credits
> This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.60.0-2010040410 (rev 3588)
OK. Then I'm not the only one with this problem. Maybe a platform issue. Or
the same misconfiguration as in my case. Don't know. I'm stuck.

marco


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Re: weird en/em dash behaviour

[Taco Hoekwater]

luigi scarso wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Marco <netuse@lavabit.com> wrote:
>> Am Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:19:49 +0200
>> schrieb Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>:
>>
>>> Am 04.04.10 21:07, schrieb Marco:
>>>> My version:
>>>> ConTeXt  ver: 2010.03.30 18:56 MKIV
>>>> This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.52.0-2010032402 (rev 3515)
>>>>
>>> MTXrun | current version: 2010.03.30 18:56
>>> This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.52.0-2010031913
>>> Mac OS X 10.6.3
>>>
>>> Wolfgang
>> OK. The version are the same. I use linux but that should not cause the
>> problem. Maybe something wrong with the fonts? I also have TeXLive
>> installed.
> same bug here on linux x86
> 
> # context --version
> MTXrun | current version: 2010.03.30 18:56
> 
> # luatex --credits
> This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.60.0-2010040410 (rev 3588)

Same problem here too, and clearing the font cache didn't help. It looks
like Hans needs to have a look.

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: weird en/em dash behaviour

[Marco]

Hi,

sorry for digging out this old thread, but the bug still persists, try

\starttext
\type{-}     : -       \par % OK
\type{--}    : --      \par % missing
\type{---}   : ---     \par % missing
\tex{endash} : \endash \par % missing
\tex{emdash} : \emdash \par % missing

\type{\switchtobodyfont [11.99pt]}
\switchtobodyfont [11.99pt]

\type{-}     : -       \par % OK
\type{--}    : --      \par % OK
\type{---}   : ---     \par % OK
\tex{endash} : \endash \par % OK
\tex{emdash} : \emdash \par % OK
\stoptext
 
My versions:
ConTeXt  ver: 2010.05.08
This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.60.1-2010042821
linux-x86

I need no urgent fix, but maybe this should be solved in long-term. It's
hard to figure out what's wrong in a larger document (and how to get a
workaround) if you don't know.

Marco


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Re: weird en/em dash behaviour

[Hans Hagen]

On 10-5-2010 6:29, Marco wrote:
> \starttext
> \type{-}     : -       \par % OK
> \type{--}    : --      \par % missing
> \type{---}   : ---     \par % missing
> \tex{endash} : \endash \par % missing
> \tex{emdash} : \emdash \par % missing
>
> \type{\switchtobodyfont [11.99pt]}
> \switchtobodyfont [11.99pt]
>
> \type{-}     : -       \par % OK
> \type{--}    : --      \par % OK
> \type{---}   : ---     \par % OK
> \tex{endash} : \endash \par % OK
> \tex{emdash} : \emdash \par % OK
> \stoptext

must be something in your system as i see those dashed here

Hans

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Re: weird en/em dash behaviour

[Marco]

> must be something in your system as i see those dashed here
I don't think so. I suspect a linux-x86 issue, since the only persons
who confirmed this bug were Luigi and Taco, and both run linux-x86
systems. But maybe I'm wrong. I use freshly updated minimals from the
garden, so nothing special.

Marco


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Re: weird en/em dash behaviour

[luigi scarso]

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Marco <netuse@lavabit.com> wrote:
>> must be something in your system as i see those dashed here
> I don't think so. I suspect a linux-x86 issue, since the only persons
> who confirmed this bug were Luigi and Taco, and both run linux-x86
> systems. But maybe I'm wrong. I use freshly updated minimals from the
> garden, so nothing special.
On my linux box it's now OK with last current

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Re: weird en/em dash behaviour

[Marco]

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> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Marco <netuse@lavabit.com> wrote:
> >> must be something in your system as i see those dashed here
> > I don't think so. I suspect a linux-x86 issue, since the only
> > persons who confirmed this bug were Luigi and Taco, and both run
> > linux-x86 systems. But maybe I'm wrong. I use freshly updated
> > minimals from the garden, so nothing special.
> On my linux box it's now OK with last current
Oh, I see. Can somebody confirm the missing glyphs? My output is
attached.

I know Hans has secret access to Mojcas' Mac, maybe he also infiltrated my
system and messed things up. ;-)

Marco

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Re: weird en/em dash behaviour

[luigi scarso]

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Marco <netuse@lavabit.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Marco <netuse@lavabit.com> wrote:
>> >> must be something in your system as i see those dashed here
>> > I don't think so. I suspect a linux-x86 issue, since the only
>> > persons who confirmed this bug were Luigi and Taco, and both run
>> > linux-x86 systems. But maybe I'm wrong. I use freshly updated
>> > minimals from the garden, so nothing special.
>> On my linux box it's now OK with last current
> Oh, I see. Can somebody confirm the missing glyphs? My output is
> attached.
What is wrong in your pdf ?
It's like mine, and it's ok.
Try to see it with Adobe Reader,  or xpdf at least 400% , or just print it

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Re: weird en/em dash behaviour

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 20:25, Marco wrote:
>> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Marco wrote:
>> >> must be something in your system as i see those dashed here
>> > I don't think so. I suspect a linux-x86 issue, since the only
>> > persons who confirmed this bug were Luigi and Taco, and both run
>> > linux-x86 systems. But maybe I'm wrong. I use freshly updated
>> > minimals from the garden, so nothing special.
>> On my linux box it's now OK with last current
> Oh, I see. Can somebody confirm the missing glyphs? My output is
> attached.

I can only confirm that they are not missing in your attachment. The
dashes are very thin, so maybe your PDF viewer doesn't show them until
you make a slightly bigger magnification.

Mojca
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Re: weird en/em dash behaviour

[Marco]

> > Oh, I see. Can somebody confirm the missing glyphs? My output is
> > attached.
> What is wrong in your pdf ?
Actually nothing.

> It's like mine, and it's ok.
> Try to see it with Adobe Reader,  or xpdf at least 400% , or just
> print it
Ogh! The lower dashes are visible at _any_ magnification. The upper dashes
only at 400% and more (only xpdf available at the moment). Strange!

Thanks for enlighten me and sorry for the noise, men!
Marco


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