From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/59953 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan BRASLAU Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: nomarking function in MKIV Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:44:34 +0200 Organization: CEA DSM-IRAMIS-SPEC Message-ID: <201007011144.34986.alan.braslau@cea.fr> References: <87iq516cjj.fsf@devereux.me.uk> <201007011016.04168.alan.braslau@cea.fr> <20100701092301.GA9647@gaston.couberia.bzh> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1277977503 19784 80.91.229.12 (1 Jul 2010 09:45:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 09:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Peter =?iso-8859-1?q?M=FCnster?= To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu Jul 01 11:45:00 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUGKJ-0000FW-Go for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:44:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E7AC9B4F; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:44:58 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 8Ch4pPZxg-Lw; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:44:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B6DCC9B0D; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:44:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B74C9B0D for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:44:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id oQL+UjY35zGL for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:44:48 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr [132.166.172.107]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91332C9ADD for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:44:48 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from epeire2.extra.cea.fr (epeire2.extra.cea.fr [132.167.198.32]) by sainfoin.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.0) with ESMTP id o619ilKK019950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:44:47 +0200 Original-Received: from orpin2.extra.cea.fr (orpin2.extra.cea.fr [132.167.198.5]) by epeire2.extra.cea.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o619ilbM016303; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:44:47 +0200 (envelope-from alan.braslau@cea.fr) Original-Received: from iram-ha-003840.localnet (iram-ha-003840.extra.cea.fr [132.166.25.152]) by orpin2.extra.cea.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.1) with ESMTP id o619ilaP007550; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:44:47 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.3 (Linux/2.6.32; KDE/4.4.4; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20100701092301.GA9647@gaston.couberia.bzh> X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:59953 Archived-At: On Thursday 01 July 2010 11:23:01 Peter M=FCnster wrote: > On Thu, Jul 01 2010, Alan BRASLAU wrote: > > Functionality such as the subject of this thread > > should be available by default, without having to mess with macros. > > In particular, functionality present in LaTeX for quite some time > > should be possible within ConTeXt rather easily, the ConTeXt way, > > of course. > = > The ConTeXt way is now: \startchapter[...] \stopchapter > When you don't need the extra functionality, you can use the old \chapter > command, but when you need it, the just use the new environment. This is an unsatisfactory statement, indeed. No one has answered my question about to what belongs any text between a proceding \stopchapter and a following \startchapter, as in \startchapter{title} \stopchapter some text \startchapter{next title} = \stopchapter There remains thus some logical/structural problem with this new scheme. (This does not mean, at all, that I dislike the \start \stop syntax.) > > Thus, > > = > > \chapter[toc-entry]{title} > > = > > of LaTeX should have its equivalent in ConTeXt, > > = > > and this would be logically something like: > > \chapter [title=3D{title},list=3D{toc-entry}] > = > Why? LaTeX is not the reference for ConTeXt. So you/we have nothing to learn from years of experience and use of LaTeX? It is indeed not a reference, but an indicator. Do not forget, as well, that many new ConTeXt users will be coming from = LaTeX... 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