From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/59964 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan BRASLAU Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: nomarking function in MKIV Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 20:59:27 +0200 Organization: CEA DSM-IRAMIS-SPEC Message-ID: <201007012059.27547.alan.braslau@cea.fr> References: <87iq516cjj.fsf@devereux.me.uk> <201007011144.34986.alan.braslau@cea.fr> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278010795 16128 80.91.229.12 (1 Jul 2010 18:59:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 18:59:55 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu Jul 01 20:59:54 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUOzF-0002eZ-1J for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 20:59:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FD5C9B35; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 20:59:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id lZhpHg+QtVau; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 20:59:38 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02485C9AE3; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 20:59:35 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EAAC9AE3 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 20:59:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id z5BptUBPW7l8 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 20:59:29 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr (oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr [132.168.224.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F14C9AC7 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 20:59:28 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from epeire1.extra.cea.fr (epeire1.extra.cea.fr [132.167.198.31]) by oxalide.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.0) with ESMTP id o61IxSMf001148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 20:59:28 +0200 Original-Received: from orpin2.extra.cea.fr (orpin2.extra.cea.fr [132.167.198.5]) by epeire1.extra.cea.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o61IxSSI008096 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 20:59:28 +0200 (envelope-from alan.braslau@cea.fr) Original-Received: from iram-hb-003386.localnet (scylla.extra.cea.fr [132.166.43.101]) by orpin2.extra.cea.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.1) with ESMTP id o61IxR3B014912 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 20:59:27 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.3 (Linux/2.6.32; KDE/4.4.4; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:59964 Archived-At: On Thursday 01 July 2010 12:00:45 Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > On Jul 1, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Alan BRASLAU wrote: > > No one has answered my question about to what belongs any text > > between a proceding \stopchapter and a following \startchapter, as in > > \startchapter{title} > > \stopchapter > > some text > > \startchapter{next title} > > \stopchapter > > Excuse me, but your question is just plain nonsense. What you show us is > sloppy writing. Why should ConTeXt or any other system cater to this? > You're asking "where does text belong that doesn't belong to any > hierarchical structure of my document?" The answer is obvious: this text > doesn't belong anywhere. This is a very good answer. Now, think about robustness. So called sloppy writing can easily happen in a very big project, or more likely by an inexperienced user. ConTeXt is pretty good in handling this, but not perfect. How many times have we tried options that do not exist and which are simply ignored in silence. Now try: \input knuth \starttext What about this? \stoptext Sometimes our errors, ignored in silence, end up having strange side effects that are long to debug. I came across this, for example, using by mistake \cite{reference} rather then \cite[reference]. Back to robustness, I once wrote a very big system used to run expriments. It *had* to be robust. Luckly, to insure this, I had a collegue who was very good in doing every thing wrong. For example, if the program asked "how many cycles" to run, he was capable of typing "yes". Why not? The program still had to handle this correctly. Should be the same for typesetting. I hope that you all *never* make mistakes. Remember, *real* unix users only use cat; All other text editors are for "sissys". 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