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From: Marcin Borkowski <mbork@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl>
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Subject: Re: Grammar
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:00:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100728130043.GL26009@atos.labs.wmid.amu.edu.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <454323DC-B72C-4418-9B30-89C0E81DB634@uni-bonn.de>

Dnia Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:39:09AM +0200, Thomas A. Schmitz napisa&#322;(a):
> 
> On Jul 28, 2010, at 11:29 AM, John Haltiwanger wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Marcin Borkowski
> >>
> >>I am not sure that I understood your point, but I am quite convinced
> >>that the low percentage of women in mathematics or IT is caused
> >>primarily by the simple fact that an average female brain is not well
> >>fit for this particular purpose.  (Of course, we all know notable
> >>exceptions.  Also note that "better/worse fit for one particular
> >>purpose" is completely unrelated to "better/worse in general".)
> >
> >I'd laugh at this if it wasn't the same shit that's been going around
> >for years in the math/IT circles. Socialization is the cause behind
> >this, not natural differences in brain structure. If the society has
> >decided to accept and repeat this "fact" over and over, and men will
> >generally act as if it is true (pushing out females who make the
> >attempt), then it will come to "appear" as true. But that doesn't make
> >it any less BS.
> 
> No no, I've seen excellent scientific research on this question. It  
> was in a German periodical of 1938. The article explained why women  
> can't do math. I also gave a rigorous demonstration that Poles are  
> genetically inferior to Germans and can only be plumbers or thieves...
> 
> But seriously: Marcin, I would recommend you stop posting on this. All  
> you show is your complete lack of intellectual awareness. You're  
> embarrassing yourself, and that's all.

Why?  Only because I don't believe some claims I find to be highly
controversial?  And BTW, where's the famous freedom of speech?  I do not
claim that I have any research behind my opinion, but I claim that
neither have you.  Any experiment in social science involves so many
factors that obtaining any certain results is imho nearly impossible.
And I do not find anything which would mean that women are "worse" than
men just because they are different.  Of course, it might be the case
that I am just not right, but I don't think that being not right is
embarassing when you have no proofs in either direction.

In other words: I cannot imagine an experiment which might prove any of
us wrong on this subject, and I can see some hints which support your
claim and some which support mine.

Regards

-- 
Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl)
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  reply	other threads:[~2010-07-28 13:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-26 16:23 Grammar Richard Stephens
2010-07-26 20:20 ` Grammar John Haltiwanger
2010-07-26 20:48   ` Grammar Khaled Hosny
2010-07-26 21:25   ` Grammar Hans Hagen
2010-07-27  8:47   ` Grammar Marcin Borkowski
2010-07-27 13:06     ` Grammar John Haltiwanger
2010-07-27 13:17       ` Grammar Hans Hagen
2010-07-27 13:24         ` Grammar luigi scarso
2010-07-27 13:26         ` Grammar Procházka Lukáš
2010-07-27 13:38           ` Grammar Taco Hoekwater
2010-07-27 15:16           ` Grammar Matija Šuklje
2010-07-27 15:28             ` Grammar Arthur Reutenauer
2010-07-27 15:38               ` Grammar Matija Šuklje
2010-07-27 13:31       ` Grammar Arthur Reutenauer
2010-07-27 14:12         ` Grammar John Haltiwanger
2010-07-27 15:04           ` Grammar Arthur Reutenauer
2010-07-27 14:10       ` Grammar David Rogers
2010-07-27 14:15         ` Grammar Hans Hagen
2010-07-27 16:33           ` Grammar David Rogers
2010-07-27 16:59             ` Grammar Matija Šuklje
2010-07-27 17:03               ` Grammar Taco Hoekwater
2010-07-27 15:27       ` Grammar Matija Šuklje
2010-07-27 17:08         ` Grammar John Haltiwanger
2010-07-27 23:10         ` Grammar Marcin Borkowski
2010-07-27 23:40           ` Grammar Hans Hagen
2010-07-28  9:28           ` Grammar Henning Hraban Ramm
2010-07-28 13:14             ` Grammar Alain Delmotte
2010-07-27 22:57       ` Grammar Marcin Borkowski
2010-07-28  5:00         ` Grammar David Rogers
2010-07-28 12:45           ` Grammar Marcin Borkowski
2010-07-28  9:29         ` Grammar John Haltiwanger
2010-07-28  9:39           ` Grammar Thomas A. Schmitz
2010-07-28 13:00             ` Marcin Borkowski [this message]
2010-07-28 13:12           ` Grammar Marcin Borkowski
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-07-24 22:50 Semantic data in ConTeXt? Matija Šuklje
2010-07-25 21:33 ` Matija Šuklje
2010-07-25 23:47   ` Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?) David Rogers
2010-07-26  8:23     ` Matija Šuklje
2010-07-26  9:48       ` John Haltiwanger
2010-07-26 10:06         ` Grammar Hans Hagen
2010-07-26 10:20           ` Grammar luigi scarso
2010-07-26 11:56             ` Grammar Matija Šuklje
2010-07-26 12:38               ` Grammar Hans Hagen
2010-07-26 19:33               ` Grammar Martin Schröder
2010-07-26 20:44                 ` Grammar Matija Šuklje
2010-07-27 16:53         ` Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?) Rory Molinari
2010-07-27 23:12           ` Marcin Borkowski
2010-07-28  0:00             ` Grammar Hans Hagen
2010-07-28  9:33               ` Grammar John Haltiwanger

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