From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/60482 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Grammar Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:00:43 +0200 Message-ID: <20100728130043.GL26009@atos.labs.wmid.amu.edu.pl> References: <20100727084715.GD26009@atos.labs.wmid.amu.edu.pl> <20100727225714.GG26009@atos.labs.wmid.amu.edu.pl> <454323DC-B72C-4418-9B30-89C0E81DB634@uni-bonn.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1280322054 12727 80.91.229.12 (28 Jul 2010 13:00:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:00:54 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Wed Jul 28 15:00:53 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oe6Fg-0003xv-RG for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:00:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601F7C9CD6; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:00:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Q7l+48dDHWHY; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:00:48 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67533C9CDD; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:00:48 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901C1C9CDD for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:00:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id feY1ZZEauwzH for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:00:43 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl (atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl [150.254.78.2]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890E9C9CD6 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:00:43 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622011013A11 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:00:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (PLD-Linux) at wmid.amu.edu.pl Original-Received: from atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id GpGVINQB5ANM for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:00:43 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 3884) id 396951013A0D; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:00:43 +0200 (CEST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <454323DC-B72C-4418-9B30-89C0E81DB634@uni-bonn.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:60482 Archived-At: Dnia Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:39:09AM +0200, Thomas A. Schmitz napisał(a): > > On Jul 28, 2010, at 11:29 AM, John Haltiwanger wrote: > > >On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Marcin Borkowski > >> > >>I am not sure that I understood your point, but I am quite convinced > >>that the low percentage of women in mathematics or IT is caused > >>primarily by the simple fact that an average female brain is not well > >>fit for this particular purpose. (Of course, we all know notable > >>exceptions. Also note that "better/worse fit for one particular > >>purpose" is completely unrelated to "better/worse in general".) > > > >I'd laugh at this if it wasn't the same shit that's been going around > >for years in the math/IT circles. Socialization is the cause behind > >this, not natural differences in brain structure. If the society has > >decided to accept and repeat this "fact" over and over, and men will > >generally act as if it is true (pushing out females who make the > >attempt), then it will come to "appear" as true. But that doesn't make > >it any less BS. > > No no, I've seen excellent scientific research on this question. It > was in a German periodical of 1938. The article explained why women > can't do math. I also gave a rigorous demonstration that Poles are > genetically inferior to Germans and can only be plumbers or thieves... > > But seriously: Marcin, I would recommend you stop posting on this. All > you show is your complete lack of intellectual awareness. You're > embarrassing yourself, and that's all. Why? Only because I don't believe some claims I find to be highly controversial? And BTW, where's the famous freedom of speech? I do not claim that I have any research behind my opinion, but I claim that neither have you. Any experiment in social science involves so many factors that obtaining any certain results is imho nearly impossible. And I do not find anything which would mean that women are "worse" than men just because they are different. Of course, it might be the case that I am just not right, but I don't think that being not right is embarassing when you have no proofs in either direction. In other words: I cannot imagine an experiment which might prove any of us wrong on this subject, and I can see some hints which support your claim and some which support mine. Regards -- Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl) ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________