* Fwd: Re: New beta 2010-09-22 and xits fonts
@ 2010-09-25 16:07 Hans Hagen
2010-09-25 16:32 ` Andreas Harder
2010-09-25 19:00 ` Khaled Hosny
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-09-25 16:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Subject: Re: [NTG-context] New beta 2010-09-22 and xits fonts
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 11:03:13 +0200
From: Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com>
To: Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>
On 24 sept. 2010, at 12:00, Hans Hagen wrote:
> […]
> I uploaded a new beta. As a side effect of the changed table loader some info was missing.
>
> Hans
Hi,
Many thanks Hans: now xits fonts work as before (with ConTeXt ver:
2010.09.24 11:40 MKIV fmt: 2010.9.24).
However, for some reason it seems that the white space (or should I say
the glue?) between some operators such as \int and the following
characters is too big.
For instance the following
%%%% begin xits-int.tex
\starttext
\startbuffer[Test]
Since $F(u)={\rm e}^{x/n}$, it is clear that
\startformula
\int {\rm e}^x = F(u)^n.
\stopformula
\stopbuffer
\getbuffer[Test]
\switchtobodyfont[xits]
\getbuffer[Test]
\stoptext
%%%% end xits-int.tex
results in the attached PDF: notice the difference between the integral
sign in LM and in xits.
I am just reporting the issue for debugging, since one may always write
\int\!\!\! to add a manual correction, but this is not a « solution ».
Best and warmest regards: OK
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* Re: Fwd: Re: New beta 2010-09-22 and xits fonts
2010-09-25 16:07 Fwd: Re: New beta 2010-09-22 and xits fonts Hans Hagen
@ 2010-09-25 16:32 ` Andreas Harder
2010-09-25 19:00 ` Khaled Hosny
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From: Andreas Harder @ 2010-09-25 16:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 25.09.2010 um 18:07 schrieb Hans Hagen:
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] New beta 2010-09-22 and xits fonts
> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 11:03:13 +0200
> From: Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com>
> To: Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>
>
>
> On 24 sept. 2010, at 12:00, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> […]
>> I uploaded a new beta. As a side effect of the changed table loader some info was missing.
>>
>> Hans
>
> Hi,
>
> Many thanks Hans: now xits fonts work as before (with ConTeXt ver: 2010.09.24 11:40 MKIV fmt: 2010.9.24).
> However, for some reason it seems that the white space (or should I say the glue?) between some operators such as \int and the following characters is too big.
> For instance the following
>
> %%%% begin xits-int.tex
> \starttext
>
> \startbuffer[Test]
> Since $F(u)={\rm e}^{x/n}$, it is clear that
> \startformula
> \int {\rm e}^x = F(u)^n.
> \stopformula
> \stopbuffer
>
> \getbuffer[Test]
> \switchtobodyfont[xits]
> \getbuffer[Test]
> \stoptext
> %%%% end xits-int.tex
>
> results in the attached PDF: notice the difference between the integral sign in LM and in xits.
>
> I am just reporting the issue for debugging, since one may always write \int\!\!\! to add a manual correction, but this is not a « solution ».
Another problem is
\setupbodyfont[xits]
\startTEXpage[offset=1ex]
$k\choose n$
\stopTEXpage
Greeting
Andreas
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* Re: Fwd: Re: New beta 2010-09-22 and xits fonts
2010-09-25 16:07 Fwd: Re: New beta 2010-09-22 and xits fonts Hans Hagen
2010-09-25 16:32 ` Andreas Harder
@ 2010-09-25 19:00 ` Khaled Hosny
2010-09-26 7:58 ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Khaled Hosny @ 2010-09-25 19:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 06:07:27PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
> >[…]
> >I uploaded a new beta. As a side effect of the changed table loader some info was missing.
> >
> >Hans
>
> Hi,
>
> Many thanks Hans: now xits fonts work as before (with ConTeXt ver:
> 2010.09.24 11:40 MKIV fmt: 2010.9.24).
> However, for some reason it seems that the white space (or should I
> say the glue?) between some operators such as \int and the following
> characters is too big.
Seems like another italic correction related issue. Taco, should the
italic correction be ignored if the \int does not have scripts?
Regards,
Khaled
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Free font developer
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* Re: Fwd: Re: New beta 2010-09-22 and xits fonts
2010-09-25 19:00 ` Khaled Hosny
@ 2010-09-26 7:58 ` Taco Hoekwater
2010-09-26 11:05 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2010-09-26 7:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 09/25/2010 09:00 PM, Khaled Hosny wrote:
>>
>> Many thanks Hans: now xits fonts work as before (with ConTeXt ver:
>> 2010.09.24 11:40 MKIV fmt: 2010.9.24).
>> However, for some reason it seems that the white space (or should I
>> say the glue?) between some operators such as \int and the following
>> characters is too big.
>
> Seems like another italic correction related issue. Taco, should the
> italic correction be ignored if the \int does not have scripts?
This gets sort of ridiculous, as *ignoring* the italic correction is not
good enough, it has to be explicitly substracted from the glyph width
(at least that is the case for the integrals with subscripts so I
assume that that will apply here as well). Why on earth would someone
design a font in this manner ?!
Anyway, a small test file would be helpful, as it should not be hard
to do. Can you create a tracker?
Best wishes,
Taco
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* Re: Fwd: Re: New beta 2010-09-22 and xits fonts
2010-09-26 7:58 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2010-09-26 11:05 ` Hans Hagen
2010-09-26 11:26 ` Khaled Hosny
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-09-26 11:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Taco Hoekwater
On 26-9-2010 9:58, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> On 09/25/2010 09:00 PM, Khaled Hosny wrote:
>>>
>>> Many thanks Hans: now xits fonts work as before (with ConTeXt ver:
>>> 2010.09.24 11:40 MKIV fmt: 2010.9.24).
>>> However, for some reason it seems that the white space (or should I
>>> say the glue?) between some operators such as \int and the following
>>> characters is too big.
>>
>> Seems like another italic correction related issue. Taco, should the
>> italic correction be ignored if the \int does not have scripts?
>
> This gets sort of ridiculous, as *ignoring* the italic correction is not
> good enough, it has to be explicitly substracted from the glyph width
> (at least that is the case for the integrals with subscripts so I
> assume that that will apply here as well). Why on earth would someone
> design a font in this manner ?!
>
> Anyway, a small test file would be helpful, as it should not be hard
> to do. Can you create a tracker?
is this to be hardcoded or do we need flags for that so that we can set
the method depending on the font .. implementing redicoulous specs
sounds somewhat strange
Hans
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* Re: Fwd: Re: New beta 2010-09-22 and xits fonts
2010-09-26 11:05 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2010-09-26 11:26 ` Khaled Hosny
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From: Khaled Hosny @ 2010-09-26 11:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 01:05:21PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 26-9-2010 9:58, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> >On 09/25/2010 09:00 PM, Khaled Hosny wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Many thanks Hans: now xits fonts work as before (with ConTeXt ver:
> >>>2010.09.24 11:40 MKIV fmt: 2010.9.24).
> >>>However, for some reason it seems that the white space (or should I
> >>>say the glue?) between some operators such as \int and the following
> >>>characters is too big.
> >>
> >>Seems like another italic correction related issue. Taco, should the
> >>italic correction be ignored if the \int does not have scripts?
> >
> >This gets sort of ridiculous, as *ignoring* the italic correction is not
> >good enough, it has to be explicitly substracted from the glyph width
> >(at least that is the case for the integrals with subscripts so I
> >assume that that will apply here as well). Why on earth would someone
> >design a font in this manner ?!
> >
> >Anyway, a small test file would be helpful, as it should not be hard
> >to do. Can you create a tracker?
>
> is this to be hardcoded or do we need flags for that so that we can
> set the method depending on the font .. implementing redicoulous
> specs sounds somewhat strange
AFAICT, both XITS and Cambria integrals should look OK with no italic
correction applied (both have around .1em right side bearing) and no
negative italic correction is needed.
I'll open a tracker issue with a test file.
Regards,
Khaled
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Arabic localiser and member of Arabeyes.org team
Free font developer
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