From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/63100 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philipp Gesang Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: transliteration russian Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:43:48 +0200 Message-ID: <20101030094348.GC30892@aides> References: <6CB41398-8E44-433C-B4FA-1B98BC684A0E@st.estfiles.de> <20101029224750.GB30892@aides> <4CCB5379.4010605@gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0316476577==" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1288431846 14903 80.91.229.12 (30 Oct 2010 09:44:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 09:44:06 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sat Oct 30 11:44:05 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PC7yi-0000rK-0b for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:44:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB7ACA7F2; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:43:58 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id xfWW49hQ0WME; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:43:55 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B70CCA7EC; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:43:55 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4750CA7EC for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:43:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id KzxLjnMSPi+J for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:43:51 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter3-til.mf.surf.net (filter3-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.219]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6A2CA7E6 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:43:51 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by filter3-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id o9U9hooA012873 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:43:50 +0200 Original-Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (cyrus-portal.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.176]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o9U9hGsA019588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:43:16 +0200 Original-Received: from extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.140]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o9U9hniE016050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:43:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (mnhm-4d0103a6.pool.mediaWays.net [77.1.3.166]) (authenticated bits=0) by extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o9U9hmVQ002316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:43:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4CCB5379.4010605@gmail.com> X-Operating-System: Linux aides 2.6.35-ARCH X-Polite-Request: "Please try to be nice, don't send html mail." User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=129.206.210.211; country=DE; region=01; city=Heidelberg; latitude=49.4167; longitude=8.7000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=49.4167,8.7000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0eDoVHOzJ - e3cc06fa0fa4 - 20101030 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.219 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:63100 Archived-At: --===============0316476577== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6zdv2QT/q3FMhpsV" Content-Disposition: inline --6zdv2QT/q3FMhpsV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2010-10-30 <01:06:33>, Andrzej Or=C5=82owski-Skoczyk wrote: > On 10/30/2010 12:47 AM, Philipp Gesang wrote: > > As others already pointed out, with a small number of strings > > Steffen might get acceptable results by using the patterns of a > > similar language. Although real transliterations work best with > > Czech or Slovak, this peculiar transcription might be better off > > with Polish or even (judging by the use of =E2=80=98sh=E2=80=99) standa= rd > > English. >=20 > I'm afraid Polish will not do (Polish always hyphenates sz-cz, though in > Russian shch is one character; and such). Of course, your point is clear. Still I think Polish would be of more use than Czech in this case because it shares more similarities withe the transcribed Russian. E.g. Russian and Polish have =E2=80=98ks=E2=80=99 where Czech has =E2=80=98x=E2=80=99; both = Ru&Pl allow =E2=80=98ki=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98gi=E2=80=99 which is illegal in Cz; and Czech lacks a native =E2= =80=98g=E2=80=99, while others have kept it. Thus you can hope for more valid hyphenation points if you use the Polish patterns, don=E2=80=99t you? >=20 > I'm afraid none Slavic language will do unless there is one that uses > Latin script _and_ soft/hard sign (yer) - these are tricky, not similar > to anything you meet in Polish/Czech and so on. None of them are perfect, but most cases don=E2=80=99t require perfection. Trans[cription|literation] rarely occurs in masses, so often I just insert the break points by hand and forget about it. 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