* Difference between \skip and \unskip
@ 2010-11-03 9:21 Matija Šuklje
2010-11-03 9:32 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Matija Šuklje @ 2010-11-03 9:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hullo,
can someone tell me what's the difference between \skip and \unskip and when
to use them?
I've already checked the wiki and the references, but cannot find a definition
of either.
Here's a use case that's giving me headaches for quite some time:
In my bibliography I often have items that are missing one or two fields (e.g.
legal texts with or without amendments etc.) and I have to tell ConTeXt to
skip those. From trial and error I learnt that:
* \skip leaves me with the punctuation and styling around the skipped
field (e.g. a trailing ", ." or "( )")
* \unskip seems to do what I want, but generates the following error every
time 'context' reaches an '\unskip' entry:
--8<------------------
l.1 ...al , št. \localissue /\localvolume \skip ,
\localspremembe .
\currentnotedescriptiontext ...ptionnumberentry )}
\handlenoteitself ... \currentnotedescriptiontext
\endstrut
\dostopstoreddes...
\handlenoteinsert ...s }\handlenoteitself {#1}{#2}
\egroup \the
\everyafterno...
\@@notemakedescription ...note \currentnotenumber
\fi \fi \endgroup \fi \fi
...
...
l.82 ...e Konvencija MOD št. 173\zakon[][MOD_173]
(ter Priporočilo št. 18...
? help
A number should have been here; I inserted `0'.
(If you can't figure out why I needed to see a number,
look up `weird error' in the index to The TeXbook.)
------------------>8--
The example code:
--8<------------------
\def\zakon[#1][#2]%
{\doifdefinedelse{zakonkratko:#2}
{\zakonkratko[#1][#2]}
{\bgroup
\nocite[#2]%
\getcitedata[title][#2] to \localtitle
\getcitedata[kratko][#2] to \localkratko
\getcitedata[journal][#2] to \localjournal
\getcitedata[issue][#2] to \localissue
\getcitedata[volume][#2] to \localvolume
\getcitedata[spremembe][#2] to \localspremembe
\footnote{\localtitle\ (\localkratko), \localjournal, št.
\localissue/\localvolume\skip, \localspremembe.}%
\egroup}
\setvalue{zakonkratko:#2}{done}
}
\def\zakonkratko[#1][#2]%
{\bgroup
\nocite[#2]%
\getcitedata[kratko][#2] to \localkratko
\footnote{\skip#1 \localkratko.}%
\egroup}
\startpublication[k=MESL,
t=zakon,
y=1996
]
\title{Evropska socialna listina (spremenjena)}
\kratko{MESL}
\engtitle{European Social Charter (revised)}
\organization{Svet Evrope}
\journal{Ur. l. RS-MP}
\volume{1999}
\issue{7}
\pubyear{1999}\month{04}\day{10}
\yearfiled{1999}\monthfiled{04}\dayfiled{11}
\biburl{http://www.uradni-list.si/1/objava.jsp?urlmpid=199920}
\stoppublication
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* Re: Difference between \skip and \unskip
2010-11-03 9:21 Difference between \skip and \unskip Matija Šuklje
@ 2010-11-03 9:32 ` Hans Hagen
2010-11-03 9:38 ` Matija Šuklje
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-11-03 9:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 3-11-2010 10:21, Matija Šuklje wrote:
> Hullo,
>
> can someone tell me what's the difference between \skip and \unskip and when
> to use them?
\skip <skip specification> : insert (flexible) glue
\unskip : remove previous glue
it's not so much different from \dress and \undress: you add something
and \un* removes it
Hans
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* Re: Difference between \skip and \unskip
2010-11-03 9:32 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2010-11-03 9:38 ` Matija Šuklje
2010-11-03 9:53 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Matija Šuklje @ 2010-11-03 9:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Dne sreda 3. novembra 2010 ob 10:32:25 je Hans Hagen napisal(a):
> \skip <skip specification> : insert (flexible) glue
> \unskip : remove previous glue
>
> it's not so much different from \dress and \undress: you add something
> and \un* removes it
…soooo, it's kind of like \start* \stop* embracing the content that should be
skipped or not?
pseudo-code:
Some \entries I would, (\like) always and\skip, the \clever\unskip\skip (\bit)
here\unskip.
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* Re: Difference between \skip and \unskip
2010-11-03 9:38 ` Matija Šuklje
@ 2010-11-03 9:53 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-11-03 10:00 ` Matija Šuklje
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2010-11-03 9:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 03.11.2010 um 10:38 schrieb Matija Šuklje:
> Dne sreda 3. novembra 2010 ob 10:32:25 je Hans Hagen napisal(a):
>> \skip <skip specification> : insert (flexible) glue
>> \unskip : remove previous glue
>>
>> it's not so much different from \dress and \undress: you add something
>> and \un* removes it
>
> …soooo, it's kind of like \start* \stop* embracing the content that should be
> skipped or not?
no, it’s about adding and removing space between words
Wolfgang
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* Re: Difference between \skip and \unskip
2010-11-03 9:53 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2010-11-03 10:00 ` Matija Šuklje
2010-11-03 10:08 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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Dne sreda 3. novembra 2010 ob 10:53:58 je Wolfgang Schuster napisal(a):
> Am 03.11.2010 um 10:38 schrieb Matija Šuklje:
> no, it’s about adding and removing space between words
Oh, OK. :\
So, how do I skip missing bibliography fields and characters besides spaces
that are part of the citing style?
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* Re: Difference between \skip and \unskip
2010-11-03 10:00 ` Matija Šuklje
@ 2010-11-03 10:08 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-11-03 10:13 ` Mojca Miklavec
2010-11-03 10:14 ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2010-11-03 10:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 03.11.2010 um 11:00 schrieb Matija Šuklje:
> So, how do I skip missing bibliography fields and characters besides spaces
> that are part of the citing style?
You saved the values here in macros:
\def\zakon[#1][#2]%
{\doifdefinedelse{zakonkratko:#2}
{\zakonkratko[#1][#2]}
{\bgroup
\nocite[#2]%
\getcitedata[title][#2] to \localtitle
\getcitedata[kratko][#2] to \localkratko
\getcitedata[journal][#2] to \localjournal
\getcitedata[issue][#2] to \localissue
\getcitedata[volume][#2] to \localvolume
\getcitedata[spremembe][#2] to \localspremembe
\footnote{\localtitle\ (\localkratko), \localjournal, št. \localissue/\localvolume\skip, \localspremembe.}%
\egroup}%
\setvalue{zakonkratko:#2}{done}}
You can check for content in these macros with:
\doifsomething{\localtitle}{\localtitle}
\doifsomethingelse{\localtitle}{\localtitle}{<something else>}
\doifnothing{\localtitle}{<no title>}
\doifelsenothing{\localtitle}{<no title>}{\localtitle}
Wolfgang
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* Re: Difference between \skip and \unskip
2010-11-03 10:08 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2010-11-03 10:13 ` Mojca Miklavec
2010-11-03 10:17 ` Matija Šuklje
2010-11-03 10:14 ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2010-11-03 10:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:08, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> Am 03.11.2010 um 11:00 schrieb Matija Šuklje:
>
>> So, how do I skip missing bibliography fields and characters besides spaces
>> that are part of the citing style?
>
> You saved the values here in macros:
>
> \def\zakon[#1][#2]%
> {\doifdefinedelse{zakonkratko:#2}
> {\zakonkratko[#1][#2]}
> {\bgroup
> \nocite[#2]%
> \getcitedata[title][#2] to \localtitle
> \getcitedata[kratko][#2] to \localkratko
> \getcitedata[journal][#2] to \localjournal
> \getcitedata[issue][#2] to \localissue
> \getcitedata[volume][#2] to \localvolume
> \getcitedata[spremembe][#2] to \localspremembe
> \footnote{\localtitle\ (\localkratko), \localjournal, št. \localissue/\localvolume\skip, \localspremembe.}%
> \egroup}%
> \setvalue{zakonkratko:#2}{done}}
>
> You can check for content in these macros with:
>
> \doifsomething{\localtitle}{\localtitle}
> \doifsomethingelse{\localtitle}{\localtitle}{<something else>}
> \doifnothing{\localtitle}{<no title>}
> \doifelsenothing{\localtitle}{<no title>}{\localtitle}
But this is what the macros \setuppublicationlayout and \insertXYZ are
already doing, right? Wouldn't it be easier to use those? Or is the
problem that something needs to be cited multiple times (once in
footnote and then again at the end of article)?
Mojca
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* Re: Difference between \skip and \unskip
2010-11-03 10:08 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-11-03 10:13 ` Mojca Miklavec
@ 2010-11-03 10:14 ` Taco Hoekwater
2010-11-03 10:23 ` Matija Šuklje
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2010-11-03 10:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 11/03/10 11:08, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> Am 03.11.2010 um 11:00 schrieb Matija Šuklje:
>
>> So, how do I skip missing bibliography fields and characters besides spaces
>> that are part of the citing style?
Adjust the style? Certainly that is easier than the macro
solution I see below.
> You saved the values here in macros:
>
> \def\zakon[#1][#2]%
> {\doifdefinedelse{zakonkratko:#2}
> {\zakonkratko[#1][#2]}
> {\bgroup
> \nocite[#2]%
> \getcitedata[title][#2] to \localtitle
> \getcitedata[kratko][#2] to \localkratko
> \getcitedata[journal][#2] to \localjournal
> \getcitedata[issue][#2] to \localissue
> \getcitedata[volume][#2] to \localvolume
> \getcitedata[spremembe][#2] to \localspremembe
> \footnote{\localtitle\ (\localkratko), \localjournal, št. \localissue/\localvolume\skip, \localspremembe.}%
> \egroup}%
> \setvalue{zakonkratko:#2}{done}}
>
> You can check for content in these macros with:
>
> \doifsomething{\localtitle}{\localtitle}
> \doifsomethingelse{\localtitle}{\localtitle}{<something else>}
> \doifnothing{\localtitle}{<no title>}
> \doifelsenothing{\localtitle}{<no title>}{\localtitle}
>
> Wolfgang
>
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* Re: Difference between \skip and \unskip
2010-11-03 10:13 ` Mojca Miklavec
@ 2010-11-03 10:17 ` Matija Šuklje
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Dne sreda 3. novembra 2010 ob 11:13:01 je Mojca Miklavec napisal(a):
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:08, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> > Am 03.11.2010 um 11:00 schrieb Matija Šuklje:
> >> So, how do I skip missing bibliography fields and characters besides
> >> spaces that are part of the citing style?
> >
> > You saved the values here in macros:
> > […]
> But this is what the macros \setuppublicationlayout and \insertXYZ are
> already doing, right? Wouldn't it be easier to use those? Or is the
> problem that something needs to be cited multiple times (once in
> footnote and then again at the end of article)?
Each entry has to cited twice, yes — first in a shorter form in the footnote
and then in the full form in the publications list at the end of the document.
Cheers,
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* Re: Difference between \skip and \unskip
2010-11-03 10:14 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2010-11-03 10:23 ` Matija Šuklje
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Dne sreda 3. novembra 2010 ob 11:14:44 je Taco Hoekwater napisal(a):
> Adjust the style? Certainly that is easier than the macro
> solution I see below.
The style is prescribed by the faculty, so that's not really an option. :\
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* Re: Difference between \skip and \unskip
2010-11-03 10:23 ` Matija Šuklje
@ 2010-11-03 10:28 ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2010-11-03 10:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi,
On 11/03/10 11:23, Matija Šuklje wrote:
> Dne sreda 3. novembra 2010 ob 11:14:44 je Taco Hoekwater napisal(a):
>> Adjust the style? Certainly that is easier than the macro
>> solution I see below.
>
> The style is prescribed by the faculty, so that's not really an option. :\
No I was going to propose to adjust the bibliography style, but
if you need it both inline and at the end, that does not work.
As Wolfgang wrote already, macros like
\doifsomethingelse{\localtitle}{\localtitle}{<something else>}
are the most important key to getting the formatting right.
Best wishes,
Taco
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2010-11-03 10:28 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2010-11-03 10:33 ` Matija Šuklje
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Dne sreda 3. novembra 2010 ob 11:28:08 je Taco Hoekwater napisal(a):
> Hi,
>
> On 11/03/10 11:23, Matija Šuklje wrote:
> > Dne sreda 3. novembra 2010 ob 11:14:44 je Taco Hoekwater napisal(a):
> >> Adjust the style? Certainly that is easier than the macro
> >> solution I see below.
> >
> > The style is prescribed by the faculty, so that's not really an option.
> > :\
>
> No I was going to propose to adjust the bibliography style, but
> if you need it both inline and at the end, that does not work.
Oh, OK. Will try something there (also Mojca was kind enough to take a look at
a full example).
Yes, two different citing styles — 1) footnote; 2) end of text — are needed
and that complicates the matters immensely.
> As Wolfgang wrote already, macros like
>
> \doifsomethingelse{\localtitle}{\localtitle}{<something else>}
>
> are the most important key to getting the formatting right.
Will take a look and bug you if I don't figure it out, thanks.
Cheers,
Matija
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