From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/66919 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Pontus Lurcock Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 12:04:25 +1300 Message-ID: <20110312230425.GN29732@rae.vm.bytemark.co.uk> References: <874o7bvy5r.fsf@boreebo.bornier.net> <25576DBA-7D75-4B8F-8934-35CC9DBECA05@uni-bonn.de> <87ei6cvlfr.fsf@boreebo.bornier.net> <430B533D-33EE-4697-94E0-04DB7744060A@awi.de> <1B7D7EDC-2721-4DBF-9682-34E57A19FF26@awi.de> <004301cbe0f1$359f65d0$a0de3170$@gmx.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1299971090 19806 80.91.229.12 (12 Mar 2011 23:04:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 23:04:50 +0000 (UTC) To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sun Mar 13 00:04:43 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyXrX-0006dm-LY for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:04:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C247ACAAF0; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:04:42 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id idJ6SNR6iQVZ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:04:40 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07397CAAEB; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:04:40 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7191FCAAEB for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:04:38 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 2Q+QIg7e2KEz for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:04:27 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from filter5-ams.mf.surf.net (filter5-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.73]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5594ACAAE0 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:04:27 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from rae.vm.bytemark.co.uk (rae.talvi.net [89.16.174.99]) by filter5-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id p2CN4QK8030208 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:04:26 +0100 Original-Received: from pont by rae.vm.bytemark.co.uk with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyXrF-00015q-PP for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 23:04:25 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <004301cbe0f1$359f65d0$a0de3170$@gmx.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=89.16.174.99; country=GB; latitude=54.0000; longitude=-2.0000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=54.0000,-2.0000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0BEin4qVd - 37bb666513f9 - 20110313 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.73 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:66919 Archived-At: On Sat 12 Mar 2011, C. wrote: > 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? > Because they already have it in miktex, texlive. What they don't know is > that these versions are outdated and due to the heavy development pretty > far behind. Plus, it should say "Context Standalone" because that is what it > is. I think "Context Standalone" would be a good name: as I understand it, "minimals" refers to the fact that it doesn't include other TeX formats and associated baggage; "standalone" conveys the same idea with less ambiguity, and hints at the fact that it won't interfere with your system's package manager. > 3) how to restructure the garden to make things clearer for newcomers? > I for one would welcome to see more guides like the "titles" guide. Agreed. I've been learning Python matplotlib at the same time as ConTeXt, and find that the quickest way is to pick an example plot from the (extensive) gallery that looks similar to what I want, then progressively modify the source code into what I need. A similar collection of common use-cases for ConTeXt would be great for beginners, I think. > 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? > I don't know. Someone above suggested packaging layouts to approximate the standard LaTeX look, and I too think that this would help. Not that I find the standard LaTeX look very pretty, but familiarity is a powerful force... Pont ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________