From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/76133 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Pontus Lurcock Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: "standard" for bibliographies Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 05:25:11 +1200 Message-ID: <20120510172511.GL31075@rae.vm.bytemark.co.uk> References: <4FABA803.1070509@uni-bonn.de> <4FABAAF8.3050005@uni-bonn.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1336670722 11537 80.91.229.3 (10 May 2012 17:25:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 17:25:22 +0000 (UTC) To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu May 10 19:25:22 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SSX7A-0006sN-7U for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:25:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693F3101E5; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:25:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id AMq4er3yq0Rj; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:25:17 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4894101E0; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:25:17 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 025F4101E0 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:25:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Vh7GZ4k3fRyb for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:25:14 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter4-ams.mf.surf.net (filter4-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.72]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A54101CF for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:25:14 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from rae.talvi.net (cherry.me.uk [IPv6:2001:41c8:1:5986::10]) by filter4-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id q4AHTFSR002590 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:29:18 +0200 Original-Received: from pont by rae.talvi.net with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SSX71-0005Fs-8I for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Thu, 10 May 2012 18:25:11 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4FABAAF8.3050005@uni-bonn.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=2001:41c8:1:5986::10; country=GB X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 01H8htfHH - a8fc3f1f5eaf - 20120510 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:76133 Archived-At: On Thu 10 May 2012, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > one glaring omission to me was the lack of support for > cross-references within bibliographical lists (e.g., you have a > chapter in a book and want to refer back to item X in your list). > This has been asked again and again on the zotero forums. Answer > 2007: yes, this is coming real soon now. 2008: Well, it needs > support from CSL, and may be a bit longer. 2009-2011: more requests, > no reply. 2012, one of the developers: not any time soon... This > makes CSL worthless to me, I'm afraid. This is certainly a limitation for Zotero (I noticed it as well when I tried it out a little while ago) but I'm not sure that it's a problem for CSL. As I understand it, CSL defines formatting for typeset citations and bibliography entries. It's not meant to handle tasks such as cross-referencing chapter entries to their book entries -- that should be the job of the software (Zotero, Mendeley, etc.) which is using CSL for its formatting. My experience with CSL is limited, though, so I could be wrong about this. At any rate, CSL seems to be achieving a critical mass of usage and support, and there's a huge number of predefined, publicly available styles ( https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/wiki ). Pont ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________