Spacing for {\cal P} in XITS

Spacing for {\cal P} in XITS

[Janne Junnila]

Hi,

I just noticed that the spacing after ${\cal P}$ looks a bit too tight
(non-existent?) while using XITS fonts.

\setupbodyfont[xits]
\starttext
The spacing of ${\cal P}$ looks like this.
\stoptext

I'm not sure if the other calligraphic letters are totally fine
either, but this one caught my eye. I suppose it's a font issue. Any
ideas?

Best regards,
Janne Junnila
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Re: Spacing for {\cal P} in XITS

[Khaled Hosny]

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 01:19:00PM +0300, Janne Junnila wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just noticed that the spacing after ${\cal P}$ looks a bit too tight
> (non-existent?) while using XITS fonts.
> 
> \setupbodyfont[xits]
> \starttext
> The spacing of ${\cal P}$ looks like this.
> \stoptext
> 
> I'm not sure if the other calligraphic letters are totally fine
> either, but this one caught my eye. I suppose it's a font issue. Any
> ideas?

Looks fine here (in my eyes at least), can you attach the resulting PDF?

Regards,
 Khaled
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Re: Spacing for {\cal P} in XITS

[Rogers, Michael K]

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On May 29, 2012, at 8:13 AM, Khaled Hosny wrote:

> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 01:19:00PM +0300, Janne Junnila wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just noticed that the spacing after ${\cal P}$ looks a bit too tight
>> (non-existent?) while using XITS fonts.
>> ...
>
> Looks fine here (in my eyes at least), can you attach the resulting PDF?
>
> Regards,
> Khaled

On this input:

\setupbodyfont[xits]
\starttext
The spacing of ${\cal P}$ looks like this.\par
The spacing of \vrule${\cal P}$\vrule looks like this.
\stoptext

I got similar to what Janne described.  See attached (beta ver. 2012.05.29 00:12).  Looks like the kerning might be a little off?

Michael

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Re: Spacing for {\cal P} in XITS

[Khaled Hosny]

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On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:29:02PM +0000, Rogers, Michael K wrote:
> 
> On May 29, 2012, at 8:13 AM, Khaled Hosny wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 01:19:00PM +0300, Janne Junnila wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I just noticed that the spacing after ${\cal P}$ looks a bit too tight
> >> (non-existent?) while using XITS fonts.
> >> ...
> >
> > Looks fine here (in my eyes at least), can you attach the resulting PDF?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Khaled
> 
> On this input:
> 
> \setupbodyfont[xits]
> \starttext
> The spacing of ${\cal P}$ looks like this.\par
> The spacing of \vrule${\cal P}$\vrule looks like this.
> \stoptext
> 
> I got similar to what Janne described.  See attached (beta ver.
> 2012.05.29 00:12).  Looks like the kerning might be a little off?

Looks fine here, bot TL 2012 presets and up to date minimals.

Regards,
 Khaled

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Re: Spacing for {\cal P} in XITS

[Andy Thomas]

Hello,

it looks off on my computer (Mac 10.6 with preview and acrobat) and with the context-standalone (from 1 hour ago). However, it does work with TL2011 (not 12). 

Then, I copied (overwrote) the fonts from TL into the standalone (from /Library/TeX/Root/texmf-dist/fonts/opentype/public/xits/ to ~/context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/xits/) and deleted the cache. But that did not help, the context standalone still produces the 'too-close P'. I also tried the newest font files from yesterday, but still no luck. Hope that help finding the bug. 

Andy

P.S. Is there more to be considered than only the font files (the .otf s)?



On 29.05.2012, at 14:39, Khaled Hosny wrote:

> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:29:02PM +0000, Rogers, Michael K wrote:
>> 
>> On May 29, 2012, at 8:13 AM, Khaled Hosny wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 01:19:00PM +0300, Janne Junnila wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I just noticed that the spacing after ${\cal P}$ looks a bit too tight
>>>> (non-existent?) while using XITS fonts.
>>>> ...
>>> 
>>> Looks fine here (in my eyes at least), can you attach the resulting PDF?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Khaled
>> 
>> On this input:
>> 
>> \setupbodyfont[xits]
>> \starttext
>> The spacing of ${\cal P}$ looks like this.\par
>> The spacing of \vrule${\cal P}$\vrule looks like this.
>> \stoptext
>> 
>> I got similar to what Janne described.  See attached (beta ver.
>> 2012.05.29 00:12).  Looks like the kerning might be a little off?
> 
> Looks fine here, bot TL 2012 presets and up to date minimals.
> 
> Regards,
> Khaled
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Re: Spacing for {\cal P} in XITS

[Rogers, Michael K]

I'm using a Mac, too, with OSX 10.6, if that helps.

On May 29, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Andy Thomas wrote:

> Hello,
>
> it looks off on my computer (Mac 10.6 with preview and acrobat) and with the context-standalone (from 1 hour ago). However, it does work with TL2011 (not 12).
>
> Then, I copied (overwrote) the fonts from TL into the standalone (from /Library/TeX/Root/texmf-dist/fonts/opentype/public/xits/ to ~/context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/xits/) and deleted the cache. But that did not help, the context standalone still produces the 'too-close P'. I also tried the newest font files from yesterday, but still no luck. Hope that help finding the bug.
>
> Andy
>
> P.S. Is there more to be considered than only the font files (the .otf s)?
>
>
>
> On 29.05.2012, at 14:39, Khaled Hosny wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:29:02PM +0000, Rogers, Michael K wrote:
>>>
>>> On May 29, 2012, at 8:13 AM, Khaled Hosny wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 01:19:00PM +0300, Janne Junnila wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I just noticed that the spacing after ${\cal P}$ looks a bit too tight
>>>>> (non-existent?) while using XITS fonts.
>>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Looks fine here (in my eyes at least), can you attach the resulting PDF?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Khaled
>>>
>>> On this input:
>>>
>>> \setupbodyfont[xits]
>>> \starttext
>>> The spacing of ${\cal P}$ looks like this.\par
>>> The spacing of \vrule${\cal P}$\vrule looks like this.
>>> \stoptext
>>>
>>> I got similar to what Janne described.  See attached (beta ver.
>>> 2012.05.29 00:12).  Looks like the kerning might be a little off?
>>
>> Looks fine here, bot TL 2012 presets and up to date minimals.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Khaled
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Re: Spacing for {\cal P} in XITS

[Janne Junnila]

Doesn't seem to be only macs, I'm on Linux using the latest beta. The
PDF I get is like the one Michael sent earlier. I tried other
calligraphic letters with the vrules, and it seems that some of them
have similar issues, just not as striking as with P.

- Janne
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Re: Spacing for {\cal P} in XITS

[Khaled Hosny]

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 05:34:47PM +0300, Janne Junnila wrote:
> Doesn't seem to be only macs, I'm on Linux using the latest beta. The
> PDF I get is like the one Michael sent earlier. I tried other
> calligraphic letters with the vrules, and it seems that some of them
> have similar issues, just not as striking as with P.

It was a bit buzzling, but I think I found it, it seems the lines:

        italics = {
            ["xits-math"] = italics,
        },

in xits-math.lfg (`mtxrun --find-file` to locate it), prevents the
application of italic correction for some reason, removing it resolves
the issue. I didn't experience it because I had a different
xits-math.lfg in my ~/texmf tree.

Hans, what those lines are supposed to do?

Regards,
 Khaled
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