From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/78366 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan BRASLAU Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Bibliography, unicode strings, @ELECTRONIC, sorting and bibtex Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:15:28 +0200 Organization: CEA DSM-IRAMIS-SPEC Message-ID: <20120918171528.5aab1414@sole> References: <20120918122858.265bbad1@homerow> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1347981340 16028 80.91.229.3 (18 Sep 2012 15:15:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:15:40 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Sep 18 17:15:45 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TDzWb-0005d8-3O for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:15:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6808D101F6; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:15:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id jFXKkhbP80KR; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:15:38 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28734101E6; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:15:38 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751CB101E6 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:15:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 0jiE8LZQcSEI for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:15:31 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter2-utr.mf.surf.net (filter2-utr.mf.surf.net [195.169.124.153]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F73E101E0 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:15:31 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr (oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr [132.168.224.8]) by filter2-utr.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id q8IFFTfE027834 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:15:30 +0200 Original-Received: from epeire1.extra.cea.fr (epeire1.extra.cea.fr [132.167.198.31]) by oxalide.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.3) with ESMTP id q8IFFTRB017066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:15:29 +0200 Original-Received: from orpin1.extra.cea.fr (orpin1.extra.cea.fr [132.167.198.4]) by epeire1.extra.cea.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q8IFFS38006546 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:15:29 +0200 (envelope-from alan.braslau@cea.fr) Original-Received: from sole (iram-ha-003840.extra.cea.fr [132.166.25.152]) by orpin1.extra.cea.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/CEAnet-Extranet-out-1.2) with ESMTP id q8IFFSLX016395 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:15:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=132.168.224.8; country=FR; region=A3; city=Gif-sur-yvette; latitude=48.6833; longitude=2.1333; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=48.6833,2.1333&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 04I0DftfP - bd709f922d51 - 20120918 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 195.169.124.153 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:78366 Archived-At: On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:41:56 +0200 Schmitz Thomas A. wrote: > > On Sep 18, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Marco Patzer > wrote: > > > 5) (side question) > > What is BibTeX used for in ConTeXt? As far as I can see, it reads > > the .bib database and generates a .bbl file which then is read in by > > ConTeXt. Why do we need an external tool for this? Why does ConTeXt > > not read in the .bib database and directly save it as a Lua table? > > Because nobody has coded that part yet? This may not be as easy as > you make it sound because quite a few heuristics go into parsing > bibtex files (e.g., look at the way in which bibtex divides names > into first name, last name, von-part, jr-part). Over the years, I > have read and heard many complaints about bibtex and many > announcements that something infinitely better is just around the > corner, to be delivered in all its glory "real soon now." For the > time being, I don't see any real replacement, but I may be wrong. Do not forget that there are many databases and tools that more or less know how to deal with bibtex files. And many web sites can output bibtex data, more or less correctly. Of course, one could also consider using other "standards", such as EndNote... but we would not want to do that, would we? Alan ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________