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* ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub
@ 2012-10-07 10:43 Marco Pessotto
  2012-10-16 22:14 ` Aditya Mahajan
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From: Marco Pessotto @ 2012-10-07 10:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context


Hello there!

TL;DR: https://github.com/melmothx/context-unofficial-test-suite

A week ago I had a conversation with mpfusion and another user over IRC
about the ConTeXt test suite. mpfusion had a tarball with some test and
an elaborate machinery to see if the testfiles compile. He kindly
provided the tarball, and I took the liberty to do it my way (I didn't
hear back from him, I assume he's working on his solution), using the
testfiles and rewriting the code.

My solution is quite simple, is written in perl (300 lines all included)
and probably is not portable to non-unix machines. It uses imagemagick
and pdftoppm to raster the PDF, and it's resonably fast (with a trick to
speed up the difference parsing).

It produces an ascii table like this:

./run-test.pl --run
Using /usr/local/bin/context

mtx-context     | ConTeXt Process Management 0.52
mtx-context     |
mtx-context     | main context file: /usr/local/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/tex/context/base/context.mkiv
mtx-context     | current version: 2012.05.30 11:26
.................

|           File name | Success |  Differs Avg 	|  Worst value 	| Pages | Time |
|          arrows-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    2 |
|        catcodes-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    2 |
|      columnsets-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|    10 |    4 |
|            date-002 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    2 |
|           dates-001 |      OK |  0.605634 	|  0.605634 	|     1 |    2 |
|           dates-002 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    3 |
|             hsv-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     8 |    5 |
|           inclusion |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    2 |
|        metapost-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    2 |
|        metapost-002 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    2 |
|           mixed-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     2 |    2 |
|   narrower-bidi-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     4 |    2 |
|         ppchtex-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    2 |
|         ppchtex-005 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    2 |
|         ppchtex-006 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    2 |
|            spot-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    3 |
|          tables-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    1 |

It leaves the visual diffs as png images under diffs/

I'd like to know if there is some interest in this thing, as (obviously)
the test suit is not really populated to have any kind of value. There
is also room for improvement (like custom arguments to the compilation).

Happy euroTeXt to the lucky partecipants. Enjoy!

Best wishes

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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub
  2012-10-07 10:43 ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub Marco Pessotto
@ 2012-10-16 22:14 ` Aditya Mahajan
  2012-10-17  6:44   ` Marco Pessotto
  2012-10-17  7:41   ` Marco Patzer
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2012-10-16 22:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Sun, 7 Oct 2012, Marco Pessotto wrote:

>
> Hello there!
>
> TL;DR: https://github.com/melmothx/context-unofficial-test-suite
>
> A week ago I had a conversation with mpfusion and another user over IRC
> about the ConTeXt test suite. mpfusion had a tarball with some test and
> an elaborate machinery to see if the testfiles compile. He kindly
> provided the tarball, and I took the liberty to do it my way (I didn't
> hear back from him, I assume he's working on his solution), using the
> testfiles and rewriting the code.
>
> [....]
>
> I'd like to know if there is some interest in this thing, as (obviously)
> the test suit is not really populated to have any kind of value. There
> is also room for improvement (like custom arguments to the compilation).

This is an excellent idea. I am assuming that you are aware of the earlier 
effort:

 	http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Test

In particular the test repository:

 	http://foundry.supelec.fr/gf/project/contexttest/scmsvn/

The test repository started around six years ago after discussions at the 
first ConTeXt meeting, but lost momentum after a few years. It does have a 
more extensive set of test cases, and a script to compare PDF files. It 
may be worthwhile to merge the two repos.

Ideally such a test suite should be run periodically on a server and it 
can send an email to a list if one of the tests fails.

Aditya
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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub
  2012-10-16 22:14 ` Aditya Mahajan
@ 2012-10-17  6:44   ` Marco Pessotto
  2012-10-17  6:55     ` luigi scarso
  2012-10-17  7:41   ` Marco Patzer
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread
From: Marco Pessotto @ 2012-10-17  6:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> writes:

> It may be worthwhile to merge the two repos.

I'm on my way. I'll keep you posted.


-- 
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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub
  2012-10-17  6:44   ` Marco Pessotto
@ 2012-10-17  6:55     ` luigi scarso
  2012-10-17  7:27       ` Marco Pessotto
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From: luigi scarso @ 2012-10-17  6:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Marco Pessotto <melmothx@gmail.com> wrote:

> Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> writes:
>
> > It may be worthwhile to merge the two repos.
>
> I'm on my way. I'll keep you posted.
>
>
> Can you use graphicsmagick ?


-- 
luigi

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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub
  2012-10-17  6:55     ` luigi scarso
@ 2012-10-17  7:27       ` Marco Pessotto
  2012-10-17 10:12         ` luigi scarso
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From: Marco Pessotto @ 2012-10-17  7:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> writes:

> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Marco Pessotto <melmothx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> writes:
>    
>     > It may be worthwhile to merge the two repos.
>    
>     I'm on my way. I'll keep you posted.
>
> Can you use graphicsmagick ?

So far I've used imagemagick. I guess that it shouldn't be a problem to
replace it with its fork, if it offers the same features. I've never
used graphicsmagick. Can we expect better performances?

-- 
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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub
  2012-10-16 22:14 ` Aditya Mahajan
  2012-10-17  6:44   ` Marco Pessotto
@ 2012-10-17  7:41   ` Marco Patzer
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Marco Patzer @ 2012-10-17  7:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

> > A week ago I had a conversation with mpfusion and another user over IRC
> > about the ConTeXt test suite. mpfusion had a tarball with some test and
> > an elaborate machinery to see if the testfiles compile. He kindly
> > provided the tarball,

That's me, by the way.

> and I took the liberty to do it my way (I didn't
> > hear back from him, I assume he's working on his solution), using the
> > testfiles and rewriting the code.

I cleaned up the code and rewrote some part of it. But it's in a
stage where it does not compile. At the moment I'm quite busy and
don't have time to work on that, that's why I didn't publish, yet.


Marco

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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub
  2012-10-17  7:27       ` Marco Pessotto
@ 2012-10-17 10:12         ` luigi scarso
  2012-10-17 11:27           ` Marco Pessotto
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From: luigi scarso @ 2012-10-17 10:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Marco Pessotto <melmothx@gmail.com> wrote:

> luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Marco Pessotto <melmothx@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >     Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> writes:
> >
> >     > It may be worthwhile to merge the two repos.
> >
> >     I'm on my way. I'll keep you posted.
> >
> > Can you use graphicsmagick ?
>
> So far I've used imagemagick. I guess that it shouldn't be a problem to
> replace it with its fork, if it offers the same features. I've never
> used graphicsmagick. Can we expect better performances?
>
It's not a huge difference, but it can integrated better with mkiv; see
http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2011/talks/day1_05_luigi_graphicmagick/
(if you like these kind of things)

-- 
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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub
  2012-10-17 10:12         ` luigi scarso
@ 2012-10-17 11:27           ` Marco Pessotto
  2012-10-17 12:06             ` Marco Patzer
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread
From: Marco Pessotto @ 2012-10-17 11:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> writes:

> It's not a huge difference, but it can integrated better with mkiv; see
> http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2011/talks/day1_05_luigi_graphicmagick/
> (if you like these kind of things)

I think I'll have to run some benchmark to see if it can save some
resources and speed up the testing. I don't care too much for the mkiv
integration. The other Marco's idea was exactly to make conTeXt run the
tests. I prefer to let ConTeXt do the typesetting and do the dirty stuff
with perl.

So far I've included the testfiles from contexttest, parking the failing
ones in a dedicated directory. There are 62 files now, and the test
takes 13 minutes to run on my humble machine.

These are the results for version 2012.10.16 23:38 against TeXlive2012:

|           File name | Success |  Differs Avg 	|  Worst value 	| Pages | Time |
|          arrows-001 |      OK |  6.105634 	|  6.105634 	|     1 |    5 |
|        catcodes-001 |      OK |  50.219512 	|  50.219512 	|     1 |    3 |
|      columnsets-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|    10 |    7 |
|        core-des-001 |      OK |  0.324862 	|  0.658451 	|    23 |    9 |
|        core-des-002 |      OK |  1.527666 	|  2.651408 	|     7 |    8 |
|        core-itm-001 |      OK |  11.947183 	|  13.753521 	|     5 |    5 |
|        core-mat-001 |      OK |  0.070423 	|  0.070423 	|     1 |    5 |
|        core-mat-002 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    5 |
|        core-mat-003 |      OK |  1.788732 	|  1.788732 	|     1 |    5 |
|        core-mat-004 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     2 |    5 |
|        core-mat-005 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    3 |
|        core-rul-001 |      OK |  0.151408 	|  0.151408 	|     1 |    4 |
|        core-sec-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    3 |
|        core-ver-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    4 |
|        core-ver-002 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    4 |
|        core-ver-003 |      OK |  0.131162 	|  0.524648 	|     4 |    5 |
|        core-ver-004 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    4 |
|        core-ver-005 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    4 |
|        core-ver-007 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    4 |
|            date-002 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    3 |
|           dates-001 |      OK |  3.880282 	|  3.880282 	|     1 |    4 |
|           dates-002 |      OK |  0.359155 	|  0.359155 	|     1 |    4 |
|        enco-pfr-001 |      OK |  0.095070 	|  0.095070 	|     1 |    4 |
|          floats-001 |      OK |  31.651408 	|  31.651408 	|     1 |    4 |
|          floats-002 |      OK |  31.651408 	|  31.651408 	|     1 |    5 |
|             hsv-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     8 |   14 |
|           inclusion |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    4 |
|        math-pln-001 |      OK |  0.049296 	|  0.049296 	|     1 |    4 |
|        meta-ini-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     2 |    4 |
|        metapost-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    4 |
|        metapost-002 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    3 |
|           mixed-001 |      OK |  21.327465 	|  37.492958 	|     2 |    4 |
|   narrower-bidi-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     4 |    4 |
|        page-run-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    4 |
|        page-txt-001 |      OK |  0.445171 	|  0.496479 	|     7 |    5 |
|         ppchtex-001 |      OK |  1.573944 	|  1.573944 	|     1 |    4 |
|         ppchtex-005 |      OK |  1.169014 	|  1.169014 	|     1 |    4 |
|         ppchtex-006 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    4 |
|    spacing-grid-001 |      OK |  10.443662 	|  10.531690 	|     3 |    5 |
|    spacing-grid-005 |      OK |  11.602993 	|  14.975352 	|     8 |    9 |
|   spacing-space-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    3 |
|   spacing-space-002 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     2 |    4 |
|   spacing-space-003 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    4 |
|   spacing-space-004 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    4 |
|        spec-mis-001 |  FAILED |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     0 |    0 |
|            spot-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    4 |
|struc-allkind-tex-001 |      OK |  0.292254 	|  0.292254 	|     1 |    5 |
|struc-allkind-xml-001 |      OK |  1.471831 	|  1.471831 	|     1 |    6 |
|   struc-itemize-001 |      OK |  0.176056 	|  0.176056 	|     1 |    4 |
|   struc-itemize-002 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    3 |
|      struc-page-001 |      OK |  6.237676 	|  7.066901 	|     4 |   14 |
|  struc-sections-002 |      OK |  0.161972 	|  0.161972 	|     1 |    4 |
|struc-sections-xml-002 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    4 |
|        supp-mps-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    4 |
|        supp-mps-002 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    4 |
|        supp-mps-003 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    3 |
|        supp-mps-004 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    4 |
|        supp-mps-005 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    3 |
|          tables-001 |      OK |  0.577465 	|  0.577465 	|     1 |    4 |
|  widgets-fields-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    5 |
|        x-res-00-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    5 |
|       xml-chain-001 |      OK |  0.000000 	|  0.000000 	|     1 |    4 |


Looking at the diffs, many of the differences are really tiny, but
differences exist nevertheless. It will take me some time to sort out
which ones are just tiny space shifting, and which ones give really
different output.

To run the tests yourself it's extremely easy:

git clone git://github.com/melmothx/context-unofficial-test-suite.git
cd context-unofficial-test-suite
./run-test.pl --run 2>&1 | tee test.log

Have a coffee and that's it.

I always keep the repo on github synced with mine.

Cheers

P.S. When on-line, I'm logged into the #context channel on freenode as
"melmothX".

-- 
Marco

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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub
  2012-10-17 11:27           ` Marco Pessotto
@ 2012-10-17 12:06             ` Marco Patzer
  2012-10-17 16:57               ` Marco Pessotto
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread
From: Marco Patzer @ 2012-10-17 12:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

2012-10-17 Marco Pessotto:

> luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > It's not a huge difference, but it can integrated better with mkiv; see
> > http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2011/talks/day1_05_luigi_graphicmagick/
> > (if you like these kind of things)
> 
> I think I'll have to run some benchmark to see if it can save some
> resources and speed up the testing. I don't care too much for the mkiv
> integration. The other Marco's idea was exactly to make conTeXt run the
> tests.

I removed that part, it was a stupid idea. At the moment it's a pure
Lua solution. It's divided into two parts. The first part is the
database update, Lua runs context on the tests and writes the
results to a database (a Lua table stored in a file). For the second
part context is run on the database to generate the report from the
database. With this database you can display information like “What
broke in the last beta”.

> Looking at the diffs, many of the differences are really tiny, but
> differences exist nevertheless. It will take me some time to sort out
> which ones are just tiny space shifting, and which ones give really
> different output.

That's why I use a header for each test file. You can specify
“sensitivity=low|medium|high”, this sets a predefined tolerance for
the page difference. I don't see any other option. There is no
single value which is sensitive enough, for instance to detect if a
footnote is subscripted or not and at the same time tolerant enough
not to always mark a fifty page document as “failed”.


Marco

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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub
  2012-10-17 12:06             ` Marco Patzer
@ 2012-10-17 16:57               ` Marco Pessotto
  2012-10-17 17:05                 ` Hans Hagen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread
From: Marco Pessotto @ 2012-10-17 16:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

Marco Patzer <homerow@lavabit.com> writes:

>> Looking at the diffs, many of the differences are really tiny, but
>> differences exist nevertheless. It will take me some time to sort out
>> which ones are just tiny space shifting, and which ones give really
>> different output.
>
> That's why I use a header for each test file. You can specify
> “sensitivity=low|medium|high”, this sets a predefined tolerance for
> the page difference. I don't see any other option. There is no
> single value which is sensitive enough, for instance to detect if a
> footnote is subscripted or not and at the same time tolerant enough
> not to always mark a fifty page document as “failed”.

I'm not sure that exists a “fuzzy” algorithm for the tolerance. From my
testing, a minimal shift, say, to the right, on a full page will
generate a lot of noise, because each glyph will be “doubled”. I'm
generating, with the visual diffs, a script to launch two PDF viewers and
eventually promote the generated to the new reference.

I guess there is no shortcuts to the manual ispection of the diffs.

-- 
Marco

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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub
  2012-10-17 16:57               ` Marco Pessotto
@ 2012-10-17 17:05                 ` Hans Hagen
  2012-10-17 17:58                   ` Marco Pessotto
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2012-10-17 17:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Marco Pessotto

On 17-10-2012 18:57, Marco Pessotto wrote:
> Marco Patzer <homerow@lavabit.com> writes:
>
>>> Looking at the diffs, many of the differences are really tiny, but
>>> differences exist nevertheless. It will take me some time to sort out
>>> which ones are just tiny space shifting, and which ones give really
>>> different output.
>>
>> That's why I use a header for each test file. You can specify
>> “sensitivity=low|medium|high”, this sets a predefined tolerance for
>> the page difference. I don't see any other option. There is no
>> single value which is sensitive enough, for instance to detect if a
>> footnote is subscripted or not and at the same time tolerant enough
>> not to always mark a fifty page document as “failed”.
>
> I'm not sure that exists a “fuzzy” algorithm for the tolerance. From my
> testing, a minimal shift, say, to the right, on a full page will
> generate a lot of noise, because each glyph will be “doubled”. I'm
> generating, with the visual diffs, a script to launch two PDF viewers and
> eventually promote the generated to the new reference.
>
> I guess there is no shortcuts to the manual ispection of the diffs.

vertical shifts are probably more an issue; for horizontal shifts you 
can use a threshold of .1em because that catches spaces and distances 
etc but ignores differences in fonts.

Hans

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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub
  2012-10-17 17:05                 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2012-10-17 17:58                   ` Marco Pessotto
  2012-10-17 18:08                     ` Marco Patzer
  2012-10-17 18:49                     ` Hans Hagen
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Marco Pessotto @ 2012-10-17 17:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Hans Hagen; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users


Ok, this is my first bug report. I noticed that the column width/margin
is quite altered since TL12. There are some other problems, tough.

Full report here:

https://github.com/melmothx/context-unofficial-test-suite/commit/8575456ae9e5dfe1f5dea5ac1224f75b5d1eb0a2

(It's stored in the commit log).

I also caught some problems which are fixed in the beta, but broken in
TL12.

Hans Hagen writes:

> vertical shifts are probably more an issue; for horizontal shifts you
> can use a threshold of .1em because that catches spaces and distances
> etc but ignores differences in fonts.

I'm comparing pixel by pixel, I don't have any idea how to implement a
sensible treshold system, without writing another TeX engine...

Best wishes.

-- 
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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub
  2012-10-17 17:58                   ` Marco Pessotto
@ 2012-10-17 18:08                     ` Marco Patzer
  2012-10-17 18:54                       ` Hans Hagen
  2012-10-17 19:31                       ` ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub Hans Hagen
  2012-10-17 18:49                     ` Hans Hagen
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Marco Patzer @ 2012-10-17 18:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

2012-10-17 Marco Pessotto:

> Ok, this is my first bug report. I noticed that the column width/margin
> is quite altered since TL12. There are some other problems, tough.
> 
> Full report here:
> 
> https://github.com/melmothx/context-unofficial-test-suite/commit/8575456ae9e5dfe1f5dea5ac1224f75b5d1eb0a2
> 
> (It's stored in the commit log).
> 
> I also caught some problems which are fixed in the beta, but broken in
> TL12.

I don't know if Hans appreciates a test suite, seems like plenty of
work for him ;)


Marco

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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub
  2012-10-17 17:58                   ` Marco Pessotto
  2012-10-17 18:08                     ` Marco Patzer
@ 2012-10-17 18:49                     ` Hans Hagen
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2012-10-17 18:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Marco Pessotto; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1466 bytes --]

On 17-10-2012 19:58, Marco Pessotto wrote:
>
> Ok, this is my first bug report. I noticed that the column width/margin
> is quite altered since TL12. There are some other problems, tough.
>
> Full report here:
>
> https://github.com/melmothx/context-unofficial-test-suite/commit/8575456ae9e5dfe1f5dea5ac1224f75b5d1eb0a2
>
> (It's stored in the commit log).
>
> I also caught some problems which are fixed in the beta, but broken in
> TL12.
>
> Hans Hagen writes:
>
>> vertical shifts are probably more an issue; for horizontal shifts you
>> can use a threshold of .1em because that catches spaces and distances
>> etc but ignores differences in fonts.
>
> I'm comparing pixel by pixel, I don't have any idea how to implement a
> sensible treshold system, without writing another TeX engine...

Last time I looked into this (quite a while ago) i did something like 
the attached; in there you find:

local command = string.format('gm convert -verbose -density 72 "%s" 
%s',pdfname,ppmname)

so I used a rather low density and (and then used md5 for comparing)

Hans


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[-- Attachment #2: mtx-testsuite.lua --]
[-- Type: text/x-lua, Size: 3993 bytes --]

if not modules then modules = { } end modules ['mtx-testsuite'] = {
    version   = 1.002,
    comment   = "companion to mtxrun.lua",
    author    = "Hans Hagen, PRAGMA-ADE, Hasselt NL",
    copyright = "PRAGMA ADE / ConTeXt Development Team",
    license   = "see context related readme files"
}

-- maybe use a list

local helpinfo = [[
--compare             compare files (--pattern --newname --oldname --collect)
]]

local application = logs.application {
    name     = "mtx-testsuite",
    banner   = "Experiments with the testsuite.",
    helpinfo = helpinfo,
}

local gmatch, match, gsub, find, lower, format = string.gmatch, string.match, string.gsub, string.find, string.lower, string.format
local concat = table.concat
local split = string.split
local are_equal = table.are_equal
local tonumber = tonumber

local report = application.report

scripts           = scripts           or { }
scripts.testsuite = scripts.testsuite or { }

function scripts.testsuite.compare()
    local pattern = environment.argument("pattern")
    local oldname = environment.argument("oldname")
    local newname = environment.argument("newname")
    local collect = environment.argument("collect")
    if pattern and newname then
        oldname = oldname and file.addsuffix(oldname,"lua")
        newname = file.addsuffix(newname,"lua")
        local files = dir.glob(pattern)
        local oldhashes = oldname and lfs.isfile(oldname) and dofile(oldname) or { }
        local newhashes = {
            version = 0.01,
            files   = { },
            data    = os.date(),
        }
        local old = oldhashes and oldhashes.files or {}
        local new = newhashes and newhashes.files or {}
        for i=1,#files do
            local filename = files[i]
            local olddata = old[filename]
            if collect then
                new[filename] = olddata or { status = "collected" }
            elseif olddata and olddata.status == "skip" then
                new[filename] = olddata
            else
                local dirname = file.dirname(filename)
                local basename = file.basename(filename)
                local texname = basename
                local pdfname = file.replacesuffix(basename,"pdf")
                local ppmname = "temp.ppm"
                local workdir = lfs.currentdir()
                lfs.chdir(dirname)
                os.remove(pdfname)
                os.remove(ppmname)
                local command = string.format('context --batch "%s"',texname)
                local result = os.execute(command)
                if lfs.isfile(texname) then
                    local command = string.format('gm convert -verbose -density 72 "%s" %s',pdfname,ppmname)
                    local result = os.execute(command)
                    if lfs.isfile(ppmname) then
                        local newhash = md5.HEX(io.loaddata(ppmname))
                        local oldhash = olddata and olddata.hash
                        if not oldhash then
                            new[filename] = { status = "new", hash = newhash }
                        elseif oldhash == newhash then
                            new[filename] = { status = "unchanged", hash = oldhash }
                        else
                            new[filename] = { status = "changed", hash = newhash }
                        end
                    else
                        new[filename] = { status = "error", comment = "processing problem" }
                    end
                else
                    new[filename] = { status = "error", comment = "conversion problem" }
                end
                os.remove(ppmname)
                lfs.chdir(workdir)
            end
        end
--~     inspect(newhashes)
        io.savedata(newname,table.serialize(newhashes,true))
    else
        report("provide --pattern --oldname --newname")
    end
end

if environment.argument("compare") then
    scripts.testsuite.compare()
else
    application.help()
end

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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub
  2012-10-17 18:08                     ` Marco Patzer
@ 2012-10-17 18:54                       ` Hans Hagen
  2012-10-17 19:30                         ` Marco Pessotto
  2012-10-17 19:31                       ` ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2012-10-17 18:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users

On 17-10-2012 20:08, Marco Patzer wrote:
> 2012-10-17 Marco Pessotto:
>
>> Ok, this is my first bug report. I noticed that the column width/margin
>> is quite altered since TL12. There are some other problems, tough.
>>
>> Full report here:
>>
>> https://github.com/melmothx/context-unofficial-test-suite/commit/8575456ae9e5dfe1f5dea5ac1224f75b5d1eb0a2
>>
>> (It's stored in the commit log).
>>
>> I also caught some problems which are fixed in the beta, but broken in
>> TL12.
>
> I don't know if Hans appreciates a test suite, seems like plenty of
> work for him ;)

I'm not alone doing this, am I?

It all depends on how serious an issue is. For instance, columns use a 
new mechanism so it might be as simple as changing some defaults.

Hans

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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub
  2012-10-17 18:54                       ` Hans Hagen
@ 2012-10-17 19:30                         ` Marco Pessotto
  2012-10-17 20:52                           ` Hans Hagen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread
From: Marco Pessotto @ 2012-10-17 19:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

> On 17-10-2012 20:08, Marco Patzer wrote:
>> 2012-10-17 Marco Pessotto:
>>
>>> Ok, this is my first bug report. I noticed that the column width/margin
>>> is quite altered since TL12. There are some other problems, tough.
>>>
>>> Full report here:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/melmothx/context-unofficial-test-suite/commit/8575456ae9e5dfe1f5dea5ac1224f75b5d1eb0a2
>>>
>>> (It's stored in the commit log).
>>>
>>> I also caught some problems which are fixed in the beta, but broken in
>>> TL12.
>>
>> I don't know if Hans appreciates a test suite, seems like plenty of
>> work for him ;)
>
> I'm not alone doing this, am I?
>
> It all depends on how serious an issue is. For instance, columns use a
> new mechanism so it might be as simple as changing some defaults.

Well, there aren't *so many* issues. If the columns are fine with you,
they are fine with me too. Changing the references is not a problem.
(Well, if they keep changing every week, well, that could be a problem
for the well-being of the test suite).

Some things, like the chemical stuff, require someone who actually does
know what they are (I don't).

The whole point of having a test suite is to catch the regressions
before they pile up. I just reported everything I saw.

Best wishes

-- 
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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub
  2012-10-17 18:08                     ` Marco Patzer
  2012-10-17 18:54                       ` Hans Hagen
@ 2012-10-17 19:31                       ` Hans Hagen
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2012-10-17 19:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users

On 17-10-2012 20:08, Marco Patzer wrote:
> 2012-10-17 Marco Pessotto:
>
>> Ok, this is my first bug report. I noticed that the column width/margin
>> is quite altered since TL12. There are some other problems, tough.
>>
>> Full report here:
>>
>> https://github.com/melmothx/context-unofficial-test-suite/commit/8575456ae9e5dfe1f5dea5ac1224f75b5d1eb0a2
>>
>> (It's stored in the commit log).
>>
>> I also caught some problems which are fixed in the beta, but broken in
>> TL12.

- i fixed the corner in framed

- \chemical{EQUILIBRIUM}{boven}{onder} is fixed but top/bottom only work 
in formulas

- for footnotes to migrate outside a description one needs to say 
\automigrateinserts (at least till we're sure that it always works ok)



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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub
  2012-10-17 19:30                         ` Marco Pessotto
@ 2012-10-17 20:52                           ` Hans Hagen
  2012-10-17 21:58                             ` ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub (chemistry) Alan BRASLAU
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2012-10-17 20:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Marco Pessotto

On 17-10-2012 21:30, Marco Pessotto wrote:
> Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
>
>> On 17-10-2012 20:08, Marco Patzer wrote:
>>> 2012-10-17 Marco Pessotto:
>>>
>>>> Ok, this is my first bug report. I noticed that the column width/margin
>>>> is quite altered since TL12. There are some other problems, tough.
>>>>
>>>> Full report here:
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/melmothx/context-unofficial-test-suite/commit/8575456ae9e5dfe1f5dea5ac1224f75b5d1eb0a2
>>>>
>>>> (It's stored in the commit log).
>>>>
>>>> I also caught some problems which are fixed in the beta, but broken in
>>>> TL12.
>>>
>>> I don't know if Hans appreciates a test suite, seems like plenty of
>>> work for him ;)
>>
>> I'm not alone doing this, am I?
>>
>> It all depends on how serious an issue is. For instance, columns use a
>> new mechanism so it might be as simple as changing some defaults.
>
> Well, there aren't *so many* issues. If the columns are fine with you,
> they are fine with me too. Changing the references is not a problem.
> (Well, if they keep changing every week, well, that could be a problem
> for the well-being of the test suite).

Mixed columns probably need some time to become stable (and the width / 
distance should definitely be compatible).

> Some things, like the chemical stuff, require someone who actually does
> know what they are (I don't).

Alan is currently reviewing the chemical subsystem.

> The whole point of having a test suite is to catch the regressions
> before they pile up. I just reported everything I saw.

Sure. In principle we should be downard compatible (although mkiv might 
do things better than mkii) and at some point things should stabelize 
again. So, any indication if a substantial change is important.

Hans

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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub (chemistry)
  2012-10-17 20:52                           ` Hans Hagen
@ 2012-10-17 21:58                             ` Alan BRASLAU
  2012-10-17 22:20                               ` Romain Diss
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From: Alan BRASLAU @ 2012-10-17 21:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: pragma, Marco Pessotto

On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:52:33 +0200
Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> On 17-10-2012 21:30, Marco Pessotto wrote:
> 
> > Some things, like the chemical stuff, require someone who actually
> > does know what they are (I don't).
> 
> Alan is currently reviewing the chemical subsystem.

Furiously, "breaking" many old curiosities,
fixing broken and incomplete functionality,
AND completely re-writing the documentation!

(Not that I really know much about chemistry myself... :)

Alan
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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub (chemistry)
  2012-10-17 21:58                             ` ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub (chemistry) Alan BRASLAU
@ 2012-10-17 22:20                               ` Romain Diss
  2012-10-18  7:17                                 ` Alan BRASLAU
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From: Romain Diss @ 2012-10-17 22:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

Le mercredi 17 octobre 2012, Alan BRASLAU a écrit :
> Furiously, "breaking" many old curiosities,
> fixing broken and incomplete functionality,
> AND completely re-writing the documentation!
> (Not that I really know much about chemistry myself... :)
Since you talk about chemistry, is there now a way to type correctly isotopes 
(without any hacks). Actually \chemistry{^{238}_{92}U} do align '92' to the 
left. It should be aligned to the right.

Thank you.
(Maybe I should have open a new thread...)

-- 
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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub (chemistry)
  2012-10-17 22:20                               ` Romain Diss
@ 2012-10-18  7:17                                 ` Alan BRASLAU
  2012-10-18  8:29                                 ` Hans Hagen
  2012-10-18  8:41                                 ` Sietse Brouwer
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From: Alan BRASLAU @ 2012-10-18  7:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Romain Diss; +Cc: ntg-context

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 00:20:01 +0200
Romain Diss <romain.diss@yahoo.fr> wrote:

> Le mercredi 17 octobre 2012, Alan BRASLAU a écrit :
> > Furiously, "breaking" many old curiosities,
> > fixing broken and incomplete functionality,
> > AND completely re-writing the documentation!
> > (Not that I really know much about chemistry myself... :)
> Since you talk about chemistry, is there now a way to type correctly
> isotopes (without any hacks). Actually \chemistry{^{238}_{92}U} do
> align '92' to the left. It should be aligned to the right.
> 
> Thank you.
> (Maybe I should have open a new thread...)
> 

Hum, I work all the time with $^3$He and $^4$He,
but somehow I never thought of this as chemistry...

I'll look into fixing \chemistry{^{32}_{15}P} (another one of my
occupations), and Hans will then put it into the beta.

Alan
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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub (chemistry)
  2012-10-17 22:20                               ` Romain Diss
  2012-10-18  7:17                                 ` Alan BRASLAU
@ 2012-10-18  8:29                                 ` Hans Hagen
  2012-10-18  8:41                                 ` Sietse Brouwer
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On 18-10-2012 00:20, Romain Diss wrote:
> Le mercredi 17 octobre 2012, Alan BRASLAU a écrit :
>> Furiously, "breaking" many old curiosities,
>> fixing broken and incomplete functionality,
>> AND completely re-writing the documentation!
>> (Not that I really know much about chemistry myself... :)
> Since you talk about chemistry, is there now a way to type correctly isotopes
> (without any hacks). Actually \chemistry{^{238}_{92}U} do align '92' to the
> left. It should be aligned to the right.

It's on the agenda for luatex: prescripts.

Hans

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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub (chemistry)
  2012-10-17 22:20                               ` Romain Diss
  2012-10-18  7:17                                 ` Alan BRASLAU
  2012-10-18  8:29                                 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2012-10-18  8:41                                 ` Sietse Brouwer
  2012-10-18  9:42                                   ` Alan BRASLAU
  2012-10-18 12:12                                   ` Romain Diss
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From: Sietse Brouwer @ 2012-10-18  8:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Romain wrote:
> Since you talk about chemistry, is there now a way to type correctly
> isotopes (without any hacks). Actually \chemistry{^{238}_{92}U} do
> align '92' to the left. It should be aligned to the right.

What about \lohi with the [left] key? That typesets the super- and
subscript ragged-left / as though they are to the left of the word
(choose your favourite mnemonic). That might serve your needs until
Alan gets \chemistry to parse and typeset isotopes correctly.
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/hilo
Alpha particles are \lohi[left]{40}{2}He.

Cheers,
Sietse
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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub (chemistry)
  2012-10-18  8:41                                 ` Sietse Brouwer
@ 2012-10-18  9:42                                   ` Alan BRASLAU
  2012-10-18 12:21                                     ` Romain Diss
  2012-10-18 17:14                                     ` Sietse Brouwer
  2012-10-18 12:12                                   ` Romain Diss
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From: Alan BRASLAU @ 2012-10-18  9:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:41:00 +0200
Sietse Brouwer <sbbrouwer@gmail.com> wrote:

> Alpha particles are \lohi[left]{40}{2}He.

Alpha particles are He\high{2+} (helium nucleus)
not to be confused with He\low{2} (helium molecules)
that DO exist but are unstable and only last 13 seconds or so.

Someone needs to fix the wiki... (done!)

\lohi[left]{}{4}He is a boson; \lohi[left]{}{3} is a fermion.

By the way, \lohi[left]{2}{4}He is somewhat a tautology, like all such
isotopic nomenclature, as He ALWAYS has an atomic number of 2,
otherwise it is not He (and U ALWAYS has an atomic number of 92,
otherwise it is no longer U).

Alan

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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub (chemistry)
  2012-10-18  8:41                                 ` Sietse Brouwer
  2012-10-18  9:42                                   ` Alan BRASLAU
@ 2012-10-18 12:12                                   ` Romain Diss
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Le jeudi 18 octobre 2012, Sietse Brouwer a écrit :
> What about \lohi with the [left] key? That might serve your needs until
> Alan gets \chemistry to parse and typeset isotopes correctly.
Yes there are some "hacks" to typeset isotopes correctly, but I think it would 
be better to be able to typeset it in a simple way with \chemistry.

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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub (chemistry)
  2012-10-18  9:42                                   ` Alan BRASLAU
@ 2012-10-18 12:21                                     ` Romain Diss
  2012-10-18 17:14                                     ` Sietse Brouwer
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Le jeudi 18 octobre 2012, Alan BRASLAU a écrit :
> By the way, \lohi[left]{2}{4}He is somewhat a tautology, like all such
> isotopic nomenclature, as He ALWAYS has an atomic number of 2,
> otherwise it is not He (and U ALWAYS has an atomic number of 92,
> otherwise it is no longer U).
Sure but but the format is nevertheless usefull in some cases:
- exercises like: "what is the chemical symbol of the \lohi[left]{2}{4}X 
atom?"
- nuclear reactions where Z are usefull to balance the equations (see 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_reaction for exemples). Of course if one 
know every Z and atomic symbol associated by heart, the nomenclature with Z is 
not needed.

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* Re: ConTeXt unofficial test suite stub (chemistry)
  2012-10-18  9:42                                   ` Alan BRASLAU
  2012-10-18 12:21                                     ` Romain Diss
@ 2012-10-18 17:14                                     ` Sietse Brouwer
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From: Sietse Brouwer @ 2012-10-18 17:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Sietse wrote:
>> Alpha particles are \lohi[left]{40}{2}He.

Alain wrote:
> Someone needs to fix the wiki... (done!)

[Alain fixed the wiki to "Alpha particles are \lohi[left]{4}{2}He\high{2+}."]

But, but, but ... that doesn't demonstrate the fact that the elements
right-align instead of left-align! I've changed it again:

One stable isotope of tantalum is \lohi[left]{73}{180m}Ta.

(This is my own fault: I deliberately added the extra 0 in
\lohi[left]{40}{2}He, a long time ago, because I cared more about
illustrativeness than truth. And because I was too lazy to look up a
more suitable isotope. I am a bad person, and it is good that people
like Alain exist to keep people like me in line. :-P)

--Sietse
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