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[Hans Hagen]

Hi

The next beta will have this (I needed it for a manual):

\starttext

     \starttabulate[||CL{darkred}|CM{darkgreen}CT{white}|CR{darkblue}||]
         \NC first \NC               left  \NC middle \NC 
right  \NC last \NC \NR
         \NC first \NC \color[white]{left} \NC middle \NC 
\color[white]{right} \NC last \NC \NR
         \NC first \NC               left  \NC middle \NC 
right  \NC last \NC \NR
     \stoptabulate

\stoptext

i.e. we already had CL CM and CR, so CT is new .. should be wikified.

Hans

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Re: next beta

[Sietse Brouwer]

> i.e. we already had CL CM and CR, so CT is new .. should be wikified.

The wiki [1] describes these \C* commands:

\CR 	 color is applied to the background of the text and the remaining
space on the right;
\CC 	 color is applied to the background of the text only;
\CM 	 color is applied to the background of the text and the remaining
space on both sides;
\CL 	 color is applied to the background of the text and the remaining
space on the left.

[1] http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tabulate

What does CT do differently than CC? It's not quite clear from the example.

Cheers,

Sietse
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Re: next beta

[Hans Hagen]

On 3/19/2013 11:46 PM, Sietse Brouwer wrote:
>> i.e. we already had CL CM and CR, so CT is new .. should be wikified.
>
> The wiki [1] describes these \C* commands:
>
> \CR 	 color is applied to the background of the text and the remaining
> space on the right;
> \CC 	 color is applied to the background of the text only;
> \CM 	 color is applied to the background of the text and the remaining
> space on both sides;
> \CL 	 color is applied to the background of the text and the remaining
> space on the left.
>
> [1] http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tabulate
>
> What does CT do differently than CC? It's not quite clear from the example.

CT is the text color (foreground so to say)

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Re: next beta

[Keith J. Schultz]

Hi Hans, All,

I find this nomenclature confusing and a little confusing from a design standpoint!

 	1)  Color of the text background should be separate from the rest
              of the cell background

	2) the names should reflect to what they apply

That said we should have:
	CTBGC == Cell text background color
	CTC      == Cell text color

	CBGC == Cell background color 
                      or
         CC      == Cell color

	CBGCR   == Cell background color in the space right of text
	CBGCM  == Cell background color in space middle of cell( above below text)
	CBGCL   == Cell background color in the space right of text

True, these are a lot of options/parameters, yet it offers the most flexibility and
a cleaner interface. Furthermore, one can understand the names of the parameters.

Another, advantage is that one could and at a later point a feature for inverting the
color of the text according cell color and/or text background color.

regards
	Keith.

Am 19.03.2013 um 23:46 schrieb Sietse Brouwer <sbbrouwer@gmail.com>:

>> i.e. we already had CL CM and CR, so CT is new .. should be wikified.
> 
> The wiki [1] describes these \C* commands:
> 
> \CR 	 color is applied to the background of the text and the remaining
> space on the right;
> \CC 	 color is applied to the background of the text only;
> \CM 	 color is applied to the background of the text and the remaining
> space on both sides;
> \CL 	 color is applied to the background of the text and the remaining
> space on the left.
> 
> [1] http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tabulate
> 
> What does CT do differently than CC? It's not quite clear from the example.
> 
> Cheers,
> 

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Re: next beta (tabulate)

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:46:35 +0100
Sietse Brouwer <sbbrouwer@gmail.com> wrote:

> [1] http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tabulate

There is \starttabulate and \starttable.
I understand that they use different mechanisms, even though their
syntax are parallel. The wiki page [1] warns against the use of macros
in tabulate, but this seems a bit obscure. Also, Tables_Overview
recommends tabulate for simple tables and flags both table and tables as
depreciated. I hesitate to add this information at the top of the wiki
pages: Tabulate, Table and Tables as I am not clear about the status
of these three mechanisms...

One question: is it possible to span columns using tabulate as in
table: \Use{n}[format]{data}?

Alan
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Re: next beta

[Hans Hagen]

On 3/20/2013 8:14 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote:
> Hi Hans, All,
>
> I find this nomenclature confusing and a little confusing from a design standpoint!
>
>   	1)  Color of the text background should be separate from the rest
>                of the cell background
>
> 	2) the names should reflect to what they apply
>
> That said we should have:
> 	CTBGC == Cell text background color
> 	CTC      == Cell text color
>
> 	CBGC == Cell background color
>                        or
>           CC      == Cell color
>
> 	CBGCR   == Cell background color in the space right of text
> 	CBGCM  == Cell background color in space middle of cell( above below text)
> 	CBGCL   == Cell background color in the space right of text
>
> True, these are a lot of options/parameters, yet it offers the most flexibility and
> a cleaner interface. Furthermore, one can understand the names of the parameters.

preamble scanning is already quite tricky and there was already CR CM CL 
so adding CT was a few lines of extra code

(i will probably make a key/val based variant some day but that is no 
fun either ... 10 lines of setup per table instead of a one line preeamble)

(and i'm forbidden to fundamentally change an important mechanism like 
tabulate right now as for sure it will break some things)

> Another, advantage is that one could and at a later point a feature for inverting the
> color of the text according cell color and/or text background color.
>
> regards
> 	Keith.
>
> Am 19.03.2013 um 23:46 schrieb Sietse Brouwer <sbbrouwer@gmail.com>:
>
>>> i.e. we already had CL CM and CR, so CT is new .. should be wikified.
>>
>> The wiki [1] describes these \C* commands:
>>
>> \CR 	 color is applied to the background of the text and the remaining
>> space on the right;
>> \CC 	 color is applied to the background of the text only;
>> \CM 	 color is applied to the background of the text and the remaining
>> space on both sides;
>> \CL 	 color is applied to the background of the text and the remaining
>> space on the left.
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tabulate
>>
>> What does CT do differently than CC? It's not quite clear from the example.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>
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Re: next beta (tabulate)

[Hans Hagen]

On 3/20/2013 8:24 AM, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:46:35 +0100
> Sietse Brouwer <sbbrouwer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> [1] http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tabulate
>
> There is \starttabulate and \starttable.
> I understand that they use different mechanisms, even though their
> syntax are parallel. The wiki page [1] warns against the use of macros
> in tabulate, but this seems a bit obscure. Also, Tables_Overview
> recommends tabulate for simple tables and flags both table and tables as
> depreciated. I hesitate to add this information at the top of the wiki
> pages: Tabulate, Table and Tables as I am not clear about the status
> of these three mechanisms...

The obscurity comes from the fact that a tabulate is typeset multipass 
so macro definitions might have changed between first and last columns / 
rows. This is probably less of an issu ein mkiv.

> One question: is it possible to span columns using tabulate as in
> table: \Use{n}[format]{data}?

no. okay, I sometimes cheat: \rlap{data} works out well

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Re: next beta

[Jonathan Barchi]

On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 4:43 AM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> On 3/20/2013 8:14 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote:
>>
>> Hi Hans, All,
>>
>> I find this nomenclature confusing and a little confusing from a design
>> standpoint!
>>
>>         1)  Color of the text background should be separate from the rest
>>                of the cell background
>>
>>         2) the names should reflect to what they apply
>>
>> That said we should have:
>>         CTBGC == Cell text background color
>>         CTC      == Cell text color
>>
>>         CBGC == Cell background color
>>                        or
>>           CC      == Cell color
>>
>>         CBGCR   == Cell background color in the space right of text
>>         CBGCM  == Cell background color in space middle of cell( above
>> below text)
>>         CBGCL   == Cell background color in the space right of text
>>
>> True, these are a lot of options/parameters, yet it offers the most
>> flexibility and
>> a cleaner interface. Furthermore, one can understand the names of the
>> parameters.
>
>
> preamble scanning is already quite tricky and there was already CR CM CL so
> adding CT was a few lines of extra code
>
> (i will probably make a key/val based variant some day but that is no fun
> either ... 10 lines of setup per table instead of a one line preeamble)
>
> (and i'm forbidden to fundamentally change an important mechanism like
> tabulate right now as for sure it will break some things)

Further, the declaration of a tabulate environment already tends to be pretty
tight on space, so IMO a little bit of obscurity in these parameters - provided
they stay documented - is an acceptable price to pay for keeping the keys to
two letters (three would probably be OK too, esp. for less frequently used
ones).

>> Another, advantage is that one could and at a later point a feature for
>> inverting the
>> color of the text according cell color and/or text background color.
>>
>> regards
>>         Keith.
>>
>> Am 19.03.2013 um 23:46 schrieb Sietse Brouwer <sbbrouwer@gmail.com>:
>>
>>>> i.e. we already had CL CM and CR, so CT is new .. should be wikified.

I've added this to the wiki.

Just to be clear: CT provides an alternate method to colorize the
text, instead of
using the standard \color[foo]{bar} - right? There is already a
section on using
the \color command to colorize the text, so I want to make sure I'm adding this
correctly as a complementary mechanism, or fix it if I misunderstood.

- Jon

>>> The wiki [1] describes these \C* commands:
>>>
>>> \CR      color is applied to the background of the text and the remaining
>>> space on the right;
>>> \CC      color is applied to the background of the text only;
>>> \CM      color is applied to the background of the text and the remaining
>>> space on both sides;
>>> \CL      color is applied to the background of the text and the remaining
>>> space on the left.
>>>
>>> [1] http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tabulate
>>>
>>> What does CT do differently than CC? It's not quite clear from the
>>> example.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: next beta

[Hans Hagen]

On 3/20/2013 5:36 PM, Jonathan Barchi wrote:

> Just to be clear: CT provides an alternate method to colorize the
> text, instead of
> using the standard \color[foo]{bar} - right? There is already a
> section on using
> the \color command to colorize the text, so I want to make sure I'm adding this
> correctly as a complementary mechanism, or fix it if I misunderstood.

indeed, a quick way to color a whole column

Hans


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Re: next beta

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Tue, 19 Mar 2013, Hans Hagen wrote:

> \starttext
>
>    \starttabulate[||CL{darkred}|CM{darkgreen}CT{white}|CR{darkblue}||]
>        \NC first \NC               left  \NC middle \NC right  \NC last \NC 
> \NR
>        \NC first \NC \color[white]{left} \NC middle \NC \color[white]{right} 
> \NC last \NC \NR
>        \NC first \NC               left  \NC middle \NC right  \NC last \NC 
> \NR
>    \stoptabulate
>
> \stoptext
>
> i.e. we already had CL CM and CR, so CT is new .. should be wikified.

I am using a two-week old beta (2015.04.03). CL has the same alignment as 
r and CR has the same aligned as l.

I understand the historic reason for the difference between left and 
flushleft, but shouldn't the alignment keys within the same mechanism have 
the same meaning? (Or was this a bug that has been corrected in the 
current beta).

Aditya
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Re: next beta

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/15/2015 7:08 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2013, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> \starttext
>>
>>    \starttabulate[||CL{darkred}|CM{darkgreen}CT{white}|CR{darkblue}||]
>>        \NC first \NC               left  \NC middle \NC right  \NC
>> last \NC \NR
>>        \NC first \NC \color[white]{left} \NC middle \NC
>> \color[white]{right} \NC last \NC \NR
>>        \NC first \NC               left  \NC middle \NC right  \NC
>> last \NC \NR
>>    \stoptabulate
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>> i.e. we already had CL CM and CR, so CT is new .. should be wikified.
>
> I am using a two-week old beta (2015.04.03). CL has the same alignment
> as r and CR has the same aligned as l.
>
> I understand the historic reason for the difference between left and
> flushleft, but shouldn't the alignment keys within the same mechanism
> have the same meaning? (Or was this a bug that has been corrected in the
> current beta).

this doesn't look that unnatural does it?

\starttext

    \starttabulate[|l|lCL{darkred}|CM{darkgreen}CT{white}|rCR{darkblue}|r|]
        \NC first 1  \NC               left 1   \NC middle \NC 
      right 1   \NC last 1   \NC \NR
        \NC first 22 \NC \color[white]{left 22} \NC middle \NC 
\color[white]{right 22} \NC last 22  \NC \NR
        \NC first 333\NC               left 333 \NC middle \NC 
      right 333 \NC last 333 \NC \NR
    \stoptabulate

\stoptext


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