From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/82220 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Arthur Reutenauer Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Adobe Garamond Problems with letter combination "fi" Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 12:31:38 +0100 Message-ID: <20130501113138.GK12038@phare.normalesup.org> References: <9800EA92-858D-426E-A9AC-F8C0FD29E6AA@gmail.com> <5B0920D4-0441-4D2E-BC5F-1A1290662454@web.de> <5178D398.7050209@uni-bonn.de> <8D07355B-7A3D-4CB2-B164-C326610D5928@web.de> <517AAECF.1050902@uni-bonn.de> <60743B9E-1882-42E0-9C34-BF999393695F@web.de> <517AE0CD.2000404@uni-bonn.de> <517AFF4C.5090709@wxs.nl> <20130430122820.GA9392@phare.normalesup.org> <20130430133202.GA30970@khaled-laptop> Reply-To: Mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1367407917 2204 80.91.229.3 (1 May 2013 11:31:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 11:31:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Thomas A. Schmitz" To: Mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Wed May 01 13:31:57 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UXVGP-0002xe-05 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 May 2013 13:31:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D05101EC; Wed, 1 May 2013 13:31:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id xcC1Bq4mdAfP; Wed, 1 May 2013 13:31:53 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38ED1101E5; Wed, 1 May 2013 13:31:53 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89BF101E5 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 13:31:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id BwtXFJMETVTG for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 13:31:50 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter1-til.mf.surf.net (filter1-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.217]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72CA0101E4 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 13:31:40 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from nef2.ens.fr (nef2.ens.fr [129.199.96.40]) by filter1-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r41BVdIr021701 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 13:31:39 +0200 Original-Received: from phare.normalesup.org (phare.normalesup.org [129.199.129.80]) by nef2.ens.fr (8.13.6/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id r41BVcc8036051 ; Wed, 1 May 2013 13:31:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Envelope-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-Received: by phare.normalesup.org (Postfix, from userid 1008) id A42C911802B; Wed, 1 May 2013 13:31:38 +0200 (CEST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130430133202.GA30970@khaled-laptop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.1.4 (nef2.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Wed, 01 May 2013 13:31:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Bayes-Prob: 0.4817 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=129.199.96.40; country=FR; region=A8; city=Villebon-sur-yvette; latitude=48.7059; longitude=2.2402; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=48.7059,2.2402&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0RJuzvDkw - bb36c1ff6903 - 20130501 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.217 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:82220 Archived-At: > The Germans do not like ligatures across compound words, and that is > much harder to do in an automated way (not in fonts themselves at > least). That's a good point, but it's a slightly different issue from prohibiting some ligatures altogether: in German ligatures should be disabled depending on context, and that applies to all ligatures that may be present in the font; while in Turkish some specific ligatures should never occur at all, but the others are free to go. While we're on the subject, and since Thomas mentioned Reclam, I seem to remember that dtv, another paperback publisher, uses a font with the relatively rare ligature ft; I don't have any book by them handy at the moment, but I assume that they do apply the same rule as with the other ligatures and don't set them across compounds. That's what I meant by font-dependent ligatures; maybe I should have written typeface rather than font. Clearly you don't want to implement the prohibition of ligatures across compounds at the font level. Arthur (but I have the TeXbook on my way to BachoTeX. It does use ligatures) ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________